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06-10-2015, 01:08 PM | #761 | |
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I'll put it this way...village can lynch me today if they so want to, but I doubt they can beat the wolves without my help, at least right now. (If another wolf dies in a lynch today, or by my hands tonight, than it might change the dynamics to where the village decides I am a bigger threat than the remaining wolves). The other option is to put up with an outed wildcard, who you can't be entirely sure if he's with the village team, or not. But you know he's not in a wolf pack and has shown the willingness and ability to go after wolves (and show restraint when needed that overall I think has benefitted the village more than the wolves).
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06-10-2015, 01:13 PM | #762 | |
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For what it's worth, my feeling right now is that Mithalwen is innocent - though that's based on tone of posts rather than anything else. Need to go back and check her posts. Leaning toward lynching Morm or Kath today. Agree mostly with Lommy's summary of Nerwen's dream-activity plus her criticism of Morm's unwillingness to acknowledge the simplest (and surely only reasonable) conclusion as to which living villagers were dreamt of and found innocent of wolvery. Am still flip-flopping on Form.
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06-10-2015, 01:56 PM | #763 | |
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In any case, Boro is beginning to worry me. I'm aware you've been killing wolves, Boro, but with the way you've been talking about your role I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible for you to win with the village. I agree with those that think morm's unwillingness to acknowledge my soul's fire and her dreams; I think Lommy pretty much tied it up with her recent analysis. As far as Mith goes, I honestly don't have much of a read on her but what I do have makes me lean innocent on her, I think. I half wonder if we shouldn't ask the dead thread a simple question, like how many wolves are in the dead thread right now? Like - If it's 1, give Lommy the extra vote If it's 2, give Shasta the extra vote If it's 3, give Eomer the extra vote If it's 4, give Mith the extra vote If it's 5, give Boro the extra vote If it's 6, give McCaber the extra vote - or something like that. Thoughts?
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06-10-2015, 02:08 PM | #764 |
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But would they know definitively? And they cant tell us who. Seems like a lowish priority compared to knowing a firmly identified wolf. I suppose there is no chance of anyone returning from dead? I am a bit puzzled that Nerwen's body wasn't found since the Seer doesn't come back from the dead.
Given that time is creeping on for the Eastern bloc may be we should firm up the strategy soonish.
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06-10-2015, 02:09 PM | #765 |
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Unless I'm missing something, Shasta, they won't have that information.
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06-10-2015, 02:42 PM | #766 |
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Morm's pairs would work the best if Nerwen got a wolf in one of her final dreams.
Lommy's if she got innocents. But it leaves the door open for a bad lynch since the innocents aren't infallible. Mith's suggestion of everyone self-voting and letting the dead decide if they know a living wolf would be great, if everyone goes through with it. But it leaves the door open for wolf funny business, which would out their wolvery. Although I would just kill them in the night then, that might be enough of a deterrence? It's really up to the collective of the village. I have no problem self-voting.
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06-10-2015, 03:02 PM | #767 | |
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I encourage skepticism of Boro and I'm glad you at least are seeing this, why can't you see that we ought not to give a free pass to those who were not stated empirically as innocent by Nerwen. I still vote for my plan for the dead to vote but I'm sure it will be delayed and rehashed so that we come up with nothing solid again...congrats wolves a minor victory in your corner toDay.
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06-10-2015, 03:06 PM | #768 |
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Finally here properly, though I won't pretend to be anything but very sleepy! Numbers aren't my forte, and with no concrete evidence on how many wolves are left I won't even try to go near statistics, but I've read through (I know who is alive and dead this time I think!) and will try and weigh in.
Starting with: Mith - However I have had an idea that is either bonkers or genius and I am not sure which. We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong? If the numbers work (and others with better maths skills than me will need to check that) then this seems like a reasonable plan. The self vote would be an interesting way to do it, as any deviation from the plan could be immediately read as wolvish and give us leads for the next Day. Trying to create a tie has rather failed previously, so may not be the safest way to go. Though, perhaps a Lommy-style paired list where each votes for the other may work to create such a tie?
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06-10-2015, 03:12 PM | #769 |
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Kath, I would rather go for self vote than arrange a tie, Anyone can abstain if they wish I don't think anyone is in immediate modfire danger and any funny business can be dealt with. Should get a wolf shouldn't lose and innocent.
However if that won't fly I would go for Morm's plan and take fewer options for us to give Dead flexibility. Lommie's seems to risky and as a potential lynchee I prefer to trust the dead who w know must have a majority of angels else the game would be over I think...
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06-10-2015, 03:15 PM | #770 |
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Someone created this list - I want to say Lommy? Might have been Nerwen ... have updated it with the new information from the narrations.
Alive Innocent Sally Boro Lommy Eomer Shasta Alive Unknown Form McCaber morm Mith Kath Dead Innocent Aganzir Greenie the phantom Firefoot Nerwen Dead Unknown Rikae Nogrod Rune Lalaith Legate Nilp Dead Guilty Mac Lottie The potential dreams from Nerwen seem fairly straightforward. Lommy's analysis of the posts that suggest each dream didn't raise any red flags. I can see morm's argument that Nerwen said 'don't vote' rather than 'trust' or 'innocent' but given she seemed to be playing the role of Seer under the guise of something ... not quite Seerish, then a straightforward 'I dreamed of so-and-so and they were this' doesn't really fit the bill. Though why she stated the phantom's innocence twice is a mystery still. Therefore I agree that votes need to hit: Form McCaber morm Mith Kath I am willing to be part of a try at a tie. If it goes wrong and I die, you won't have lost any special role, but I don't know if we have the numbers to afford losing anyone. Statistics people, any ideas there? Mith's self vote plan sounds like the most fun, but I will defer to those who have been active!
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06-10-2015, 03:16 PM | #771 |
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Mith what was morm's plan? I've either missed it or not realised it was a plan ...
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06-10-2015, 03:17 PM | #772 |
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Quick comment - maybe the self vote scheme toMorrow. ToDay it's already getting late and if a lot of the dead have cast their votes early we can easily lynch a known innocent. Plus this way we give Nerwen one more Night to bag a wolf, making the scheme more effective. Also if we do the self vote thing I suggest we agree on it toDay or early toMorrow and the unknowns vote first. If they are innocent they shouldn't have anything against it. If someone messes up we known innocents can vote him/her in turn.
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06-10-2015, 03:17 PM | #773 |
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If Lalaith is a wolf give your vote to:
Form Sally McCaber If she's not, give the vote to: Boromir88 Thinlómien Eomer If you don't know give your vote to: mormegil Shastanis Althreduin Mithalwen Kath This one?
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06-10-2015, 03:18 PM | #774 | |
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06-10-2015, 03:22 PM | #775 |
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Form McCaber morm Mith Kath Known: Sally Boro Lommy Eomer Shasta No one has voted yet right? So can we simply match up pairs? Form <--> sally McCaber <--> Boro morm <--> Lommy Mith <--> Eomer Kath <--> Shasta
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06-10-2015, 03:26 PM | #776 | |
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Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally in his 5.47 post
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06-10-2015, 03:28 PM | #777 | |
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Rest assured, until my very last breath, I will purge this home of the wolves. I don't hold it against anyone to be skeptical (I would be too in your shoes), as long as you don't hold it against me that there are certain things I can't decide for you. As it stands, I'm going under the assumption we can't orchestrate a tied vote today. Therefore... I have a good feeling about Mith today. Her pressing action and plans look the most innocent. I won't vote for sally today either. Shasta's always a tricky one. Once you think he's safe he'll get you. Considering Nerwen and him have a Sun/stars/moon of my life thing that's continued on over the years. It's never certain what they're up to, but considering Nerwen's role, Shasta seems like a safe pair of hands too. I'm up in the air about the rest and therefor that's where my vote will go today... Form Eomer McCaber Morm Lommy Kath
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06-10-2015, 03:30 PM | #778 |
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Yeah Mith that's the one I spotted, but that's a plan for the Dead not the Living surely?
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06-10-2015, 03:32 PM | #779 |
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Ok Kath's embracing of the self vote encourages me as to her innocence . . But I can understand that it might be a risk if not all innocent dead are active and we have 2 know stateside wolves who could cause trouble.
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06-10-2015, 03:37 PM | #780 |
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Well yesl That was to allow them flexibility to avoind skewing a free lynch vote. It is only just now that organising the living has become an issue.
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Nerwen, the Seer, on what she correctly guessed to be her last day among the living, specifically left myself, Shasta and Lommy off the list of potential wolves. She trusted Boro and Sally, who revealed their special roles. Two people - Boro and Sally - does not a bunch make. Now, I believe we can add McCaber to this list, given Sally's post yesterday suggesting his innocence. But this was before Nerwen said her stuff (I think) so surely her 'bunch' was us five. I'm baffled that Boro is still talking about suspecting me and Lommy. Maybe less baffled by Morm's similar behaviour, as this could be a last-ditch wolvish tactic by him.
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06-10-2015, 03:43 PM | #782 | |
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So ... yeah, the logistics are tougher. I am going to have to head to bed in the very near future. I am happy to vote any of that list, but rather feel I should vote Form for continuity or morm because it did feel a little like clutching at straws with Nerwen's possible dreams.
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06-10-2015, 03:53 PM | #783 |
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++morm[/QUOTE]
I have to go pass out now. morm's focus on the lack of specific wording by Nerwen felt forced, and he's on the unknown list. If you want to aim for a tie, feel free to add my name in to the mix. As I said, as long as we can afford the numbers my death won't lose the village anything in terms of roles if the tie doesn't work out.
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A self-vote does sound like a good plan, but I still think I'm skeptical of Boro. It just seems like a role screaming to have its own separate agenda apart from the village's own.
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06-10-2015, 03:55 PM | #785 | |
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Since that's the case, for today, I revise my list to... Form McCaber Morm Kath
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06-10-2015, 04:14 PM | #786 |
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please. Four hours to go and I think 1 am for Eastern bloc.
Since Kath has voted and there is a feeling my plan should wait are we going for Mormegil's scheme for Dead vote? It is getting late this side of the pond even the Dead may sleep. We need it to be clear or we will miss out again
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True, but things change. As for your question, I do in fact still trust McCaber toDay.
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06-10-2015, 04:27 PM | #790 |
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I now realise that Lommie made an unilateral declaration and tha she didn't care about lynching an inniocent. rather cavalier attitude and not very fair. Waters muddied badly...... very frustrating
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I'm back at my computer at last! Catching up now.
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06-10-2015, 04:32 PM | #792 |
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I don't trust morm re: everything that's been said thus far vis-a-vis my light's innocent dreams, but the more I think about it the more I'm wary of Boro. Now, obviously I can't claim to know how Kuru set the role up, but I can't help but wonder if Boro doesn't have some sort of power to prevent him from being lynched? I mean, with a third-party-esque role, it pretty much all goes to waste if they're the random Day 1 lynch, for example.
Honestly, I could vote Boro today. Sorry bro. If not Boro, my vote will likely be for morm.
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Also, can I just say how eerie it is that Eomer and I are basically on the same wavelength?
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ToMorrow, let's do the self-vote thing. If you were not cleared by Nerwen, you are expected to vote as early as possible. Don't worry, we others will definitely lynch anyone who votes for anyone else except themself.
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Definitely not supporting making a tie toDay. That will just make a mess with all the proposed voting schemes going around too. Let's just lynch one of the unknowns. ToMorrow we can do the genious self-vote scheme. Quote:
However, currently I would say the unknowns are from the most to least suspicious: morm Form Kath Mith McCaber Sally I trust. Boro I'm still not 100% certain of, but it's hardly the issue for toDay, probably not even toMorrow. Also I need to vote soon and I'll probably go for morm. I think toDay everyone should 1) vote for whoever they think is a wolf out of Nerwen's suggested lynch candidates 2) say yay or nay for the self-vote scheme toMorrow before they go to sleep.
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I've come to the conclusion you can't without my help. If you feel otherwise, then good luck. My fate is virtually sealed now. What is it that Beorn says? "I don't care much for dwarves, but I hate orcs" Something of the sort. Replace dwarves with villagers and orcs with wolves and that's where I'm at. I only can help as much as you are willing to accept my offer. No risk. No reward.
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Hey Boro, if you're indeed what you claim to be and on the side of the village, cool down. I don't think anyone except Shasta really wants to lynch you toDay, and even he only considers it an option.
You must understand why we can't trust you 100%. I'll give you cookies (or raw meat if that's what you prefer ) for killing Mac for us, though. Personally I still think we should trust Boro unless Nerwen & co let us know we shouldn't. And we should give them a way to do so, which we didn't toDay, but maybe they will indicate it toMorrow if we do the self-vote Day, or the Day after if it comes and if Boro is alive. Boro is not our #1 priority toDay.
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06-10-2015, 05:13 PM | #798 |
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Obviously I am pro my own scheme unless the situation changes dramatically overnight. The fact that Kath was up for it inclines me to think her innocent. I shan't vote for her unless I need to save my own neck. So I shall have to stay up a while before voting.
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06-10-2015, 05:15 PM | #799 |
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Unless all the wolves are dead and the game continues until he's killed all of us.
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Like, if Boro is a traditional werebear, we should start worrying when there's repeatedly only one Night kill. We're still 10 people so he's not going to win any time soon if he only wins alone. Also, if he really only won alone why wouldn't he have killed someone every Night? It doesn't really add up. Maybe there's something in his role that allows him to win with either side, in which case we should convince him the village is winning and it makes sense for him to side with us, which surprisingly enough actually looks likely atm. *pats Boro on the head* Nice pet bear, good boy. Want more cookies or raw meat now? We are nice little innocent villagers, the wolves are nasty.
edit: xed with Mith and Eomer!
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