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Old 04-19-2005, 04:12 PM   #761
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On second thought, I will move my post to the end of the series, just before Merisu's defiance. There will be something happening at the very end of my post which will weaken, but only slightly, the hold Mogul has on the visions of all the others, which will make Merisu's breaking of the spell a bit less, well, Mary-Sue-ish. I hope that's OK.

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OK the post is now up. Any objections can be edited away as needed.

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Old 04-20-2005, 12:45 AM   #762
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Bravo - well done, Thena! Gatesy's vision of Merisu as his wife cracked me up, and the vision of punishment was hilarious too - shades of Beren in the flashback...

I have accordingly moved my post for Merisu to the end, so we're all set for your post, Saucy.
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Old 04-20-2005, 02:58 AM   #763
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Nice work, Thena.

But are you suggesting that getting mixed up with loyers may end up costing an arm and a leg ...?

Perish the thought!

Like an errant schoolboy, I left my post at home. So I'll put it up this evening.
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I have a post also prepared, and I'll stick it up after SpM's, after any relevant edits caused.

Time for another quickfire round of posts?
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Old 04-20-2005, 06:31 PM   #765
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I'm done ...
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:34 AM   #766
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Very well done, Saucy! Your excellent post made for enjoyable reading today! I especially liked the "Mouth" parody and laughed (among many other laughs) over his lost Dragon love.

Thinking on how to continue, it seems to me that the end of your post calls for a reaction from Merisu, so I will put up a save. Should Rim's post belong in between, I can move it further down.

Question is, how do we continue? I assume that the big battle can begin, and that the Velour will have to come to the rescue, but I don't know if there are any plans behind the scenes for this part of the story. Please let me know if so.
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Gladly - but what needs to happen next?
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:28 AM   #767
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:09 AM   #768
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Ooooh! A surprise for Her Entishness herself! Awesome!

Can I be oone of the pre-informed, or is that on a need-to-know basis? Gateskeeper is definitely back, at least for the near foreseeable future.

Also FYI, my work has clamped down on the use of chat at work (no surprise, that), so I'll seldom be on IRC during the day. This message forum is a good way to contact me, as is thenamir@barrowdowns.com.

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Old 04-23-2005, 09:14 AM   #769
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My post for Merisu is up; I don't think I can claim that I wrote it - it's more a plagiaristic parody patchwork of pieces pawned from popular passages...

I look forward to being surprised by what happens next! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help finish my story.
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Old 04-23-2005, 12:07 PM   #770
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Impressive post, Esty! Though I recognized much of your source material, it was so arranged as to make me have to read it twice to force myself to think of those sources. Great job!
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:15 PM   #771
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You have me in stitches, Bb!

I posted a "meanwhile, back....." interlude, just so that *something* happens...
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:09 PM   #773
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I do hope that Yawanna didn't overhear Mogul gloating about her gullibity ...

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Gateskeeper *does* have a recording device as part of the Sound-khaard upgrade for his staff he got back at Marrow-Bones...
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Outrage! I'm sure that breaks some sort of privacy law. Mogul shall get his loyers onto it immediately.
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If he lives that long...
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:17 AM   #777
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Please accept my apologies if the new post steps on toes. As Esty told me yesterday,

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I will be glad to make any changes necessary, including deleteing the post altogether if required.
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I should imagine that the only editing necessary will be for Mith to move his post after yours and pick it up from there. Wonderful post! Kontrole alt deleet!

But please please please remind of the source of klaatu barada nikto. I know that I know it, but can't quite recall from where. It's driving me crazy!

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Fine post, Thenamir! It shall be as Saucepan said. I will move my save and fill it in, hopefully this weekend.
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The phrase is from a classic black-and-white sci-fi movie, "The Day The Earth Stood Still". It was the command Klaatu the alien gave to the female lead to speak to the robot, Gort, to get him to quit mowing everything down and come to his master's rescue.

It was also used more recently in the movie "Army of Darkness" by the Bruce Campbell character as the words to retrieve the magic book he was after. And it's used in parodies all over.
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A great post, Thena! Nice use of technical possibilities, including but not limited to em-pethree. That definitely requires an answer from Yawanna, but I will wait until Mith fills in his save so as not to spoil plans. Saucy, please let me know if there is something you want me to include in posting for her.
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Of all the people to be complaining about slow posting...
But yes, I have unlimited chutzpah.

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I wouldn't presume to predict Yawanna's reaction. But, as they say, a woman scorned ...
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If some crazy people drop a bomb on my head; I hope you guys miss me! (Just as much as everyone missed CrystalHeart for a few days)

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Oh, oh, that there be a shred of loyerlty in Meri Sue!

And praise be that the Pun Wraith did not need to respond to "Sewerim".

And will that be Mary Suerim?

And oh that this cameo writer was on retainer!

Really, it is rewarding to see a case summarised so well. A plea well bargained, bar none.

Okay, I rest, with no defense.
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Bethberry: ouch. You serve a mean process with all those jury-rigged puns. Restraint is clearly in order.

All: is this going to be a trial (complete with a jury of peers, i.e. the rest of the Velour), or just a hearing before Mantoes for a temporary injunction? I was buried under real life and didn't get much of a chance to use Tickle-Me Ulmo, and would love to revisit him.
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Nicely done, Saucy!

Is Yawanna present in the jury box? And has she read her O-mail lately?
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Old 05-10-2005, 04:16 AM   #791
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Sorry, Yawanna's had problems with her Pea-Sea; when she's caught up with the most pressing news, she will certainly react.
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Go for it, Kuru! I'll try to get a post for either Merisu or Yawanna, preferably both, up within a few days, but it would be nice to have Mith's save filled in first so I get an approximate idea of what's happening.

My PC problems resulted in failure to comment on Mith and Saucy's previous posts - thanks, guys! Both were excellent, very funny - I love Grrralph the Grrrey, ummm - Sueim, I mean. Any clue as to why he woke up just then? I also especially enjoyed Mantoes opening of the court session - so delightfully formal!
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Yeah, but, it's kind of hard to...

Well, it kind of seems like a pivotal post and all that...

How am I supposed to know how to follow up for something that hasn't happened yet?
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Not sure if I should try that right now...
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Kuru,

Just do what I did -- post a good story bit, and make Mith move his post to sometime after yours!
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One of Greedhogs clerks dropped this note, which I pass along.
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defoliating cleanser
de·foli·ation n. -- causing the leaves of trees and other plants to fall off (as by the use of chemicals)

Orcs are always defoliating things...I think he meant exfoliating:

ex·foli·ation n. -- To remove (a layer of skin, for example) in flakes or scales

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Yowee!! This is the 800th post in this discussion. Another milestone come and gone without ceremony or celebration.
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