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Bêthberry · 06-01-2003, 06:28 PM

To my mind, one of the important differences between Paradise Lost and LOTR is that Milton danced with the Devil, whereas Tolkien backed away from giving us a truly replete depiction of Saruman's characterization. I am profoundly interested by the study in Frodo's motivation and behaviour, but I wish we had more of Saruman. If we had had as full a depiction of Saruman as of Gandalf or of Frodo, I think LOTR would have been completely mesmerizing.

Voronwe · 06-02-2003, 05:41 AM

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both of them seem to deal with degenrative cycles. evil becomes powerful and nearly triumphs, but them one or two good people are willing to sacrifice everything and just barely mannage to stop it.

I don't remember anything like that occurring in Paradise Lost.

Dancing_Hobbit · 06-05-2003, 10:29 AM

the degenerative cycle is actually mostly humans. it's when Micheal is telling Adam about the future of human kind.
bethberry, i agree that seeing more of sauron could be interesting, but where would it fit in? also, we see a little bit about Morgoth in the Sil. but still, yes it could be interesting to learn more about them both.

willkill4food · 10-17-2004, 01:35 PM

I was pretty sure that Tolkein never liked Shakespear's works and that he furiously argued with any theory that he had indeed taken anything from any work of Shakespear, but I'm not sure...

-willkill

06-01-2003, 06:28 PM	#41
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,997	To my mind, one of the important differences between Paradise Lost and LOTR is that Milton danced with the Devil, whereas Tolkien backed away from giving us a truly replete depiction of Saruman's characterization. I am profoundly interested by the study in Frodo's motivation and behaviour, but I wish we had more of Saruman. If we had had as full a depiction of Saruman as of Gandalf or of Frodo, I think LOTR would have been completely mesmerizing. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

06-05-2003, 10:29 AM	#43
Dancing_Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald wood. Posts: 56	the degenerative cycle is actually mostly humans. it's when Micheal is telling Adam about the future of human kind. bethberry, i agree that seeing more of sauron could be interesting, but where would it fit in? also, we see a little bit about Morgoth in the Sil. but still, yes it could be interesting to learn more about them both. __________________ Hobbits bow to nobody! ...Except their plates...

10-17-2004, 01:35 PM	#44
willkill4food Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 44	I was pretty sure that Tolkein never liked Shakespear's works and that he furiously argued with any theory that he had indeed taken anything from any work of Shakespear, but I'm not sure... -willkill __________________ Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing...