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Oh, of course. I should've known that. Thanks, Legate.
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For that matter, the German-translated names you listed, Macalaure, didn't sound "alien" to me in the way that the Finnish or Czech ones did (me being a native English speaker).
I agree with you that Kankra is just wrong. The translator must have been trying to copy the way Tolkien came up with Shelob, which is simply "she" + "lob" (dialect word for a spider). |
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Generally, I think the idea to create a German name for Shelob by following the way Tolkien originally invented that name is a good one. It's a part of making the whole universe of Middle-earth feel familiar to a speaker of a foreign language.
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I know. "Shelob" sounds scary. "Kankra"... nothing much. Could be a disease.
In this case I think the translator may as well have kept "Shelob". The name doesn't mean anything in Standard English anyway. By the way– If anyone is curious about the words "bunyip" and "yowie" (from the celebrated Australian translation), they refer to legendary monsters. A yowie is a large shaggy humanoid (like a yeti). A bunyip is a water monster that lurks in lakes, swamps and, of course, billabongs, preying on unwary swimmers. Nobody knows what they look like, since nobody has ever seen one and lived to tell the tale. On the other hand, everyone in Australia knows someone whose friend's uncle saw a yowie one night. Last edited by Nerwen; 11-21-2007 at 08:44 AM. Reason: Adding comments |
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It's not whether a name means something or not, I think, but how it feels and how it fits into the sound of the language surrounding it. Having Shelob in the German translation would not have felt right (not to mention that it sounds ridiculous when pronounced German
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Now, as regards bunyips: don't laugh– many of us half-believe in them. A friend of mine was camping in a remote part of Tasmania. In the night she heard a horrible snarling outside (actually a Tasmanian devil), and she panicked: "Help! They told me bunyips weren't real!" Actually, you can laugh. ![]() Last edited by Nerwen; 11-22-2007 at 08:09 AM. Reason: adding a comment |
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*bump* Voici Le Seigneur des Anneaux!
Okay, I've finally finished my project that took over a year
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No wonder why Tolkien disliked French. It's made his epic story sound like a bad knock-off of an Alexandre Dumas novel. En garde, Fougeron!
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I dunno, I have a thing for French I suppose; either it sounds very elegant or very vulgar it seems, sometimes both at the same time.
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And Lommy, don't you think I missed your dig at Swedish... No, it does have a nice ring to it, translated it becomes something like 'Cloudberry-gold'. Oh, the Aussie translation was great, Nerwen!
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Oj, nu är du säkert jättearg - förlåt mig!
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Närå, jag kan aldrig bli arg på dig.
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Thanks, mate!
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That one wouldn't cut the mustard, or the cheese more aptly.
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Here are a few changes I found: Lord Of The Rings = Sagan Om Ringen -> Ringarnas Herre Hobbiton = Hobsala -> Hobbinge The Shire = Fylke (unchanged) The Gaffer = 'Gubbtjuven' -> Gammelfar Brandywine = Vinfloden -> Brännevinsfloden Frodo Baggins = Frodo Bagger -> Frodo Secker Bill Ferny = Bill Ferny -> Bert Färne Goldberry = Hjortrongull -> Gyllenbär Sackville-Baggins = Säcksta-Baggerna -> Kofferdi-Secker Rivendell - Vattnadal -> Riftedal
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The first thing that came into my head was Haudh-en-Ndengin. Obviously Elvish has some of its roots in Finnish.
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Haha! I was reminded of the "Middle-Earth Bumper Stickers" thread. And on the whole I think that the Finnish translation gives it a very Middle-Earth-ish feel.
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When I have read it, I know I thought about Esquimaux...
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I love the translations! Nerwen's make me giggle. Even though you mad that up. :-P
Some Russian (I wrote it phonetically. ch is like in cherry): Baggins = Torbins (torba is an old word for a sac/bag) Brandybuck = Brendizaik (I don't get the reasoning here, because "zaik" sounds like a rabbit...) Took = Krol (this one's deffinitely a rabbit...) Gamgee = Skrombi (probably comes from the word that means shy/humble) Samwise "Sam" = Semmium "Sem" Underhill = Nakruchins (Over-hill...) Hornblower = Gromoboy (thunder-maker/drummer. Well, literally hitter.) Goldberry = Zolotinka (Gold+suffix that I can't find an equivalent for in English) Halfling = Nevisoklik (not-high), but in another translation called Poluroslik (half-high) Ranger = sledopit (one who reads tracks) Strider = Brodyaj'nik (Wanderer) Barliman Butterbur = Lavr Narkiss (lavr is laurus, so instead of Gandalf making pun about butter, he talks about soup. ![]() Celeborn = Selerbern (just cause it sounds better) Celebrimbor = Selebrimber (same reason) Treebeard = Dreven' (probably a combination of derevo=tree and drevniy=ancient) Gollum/Smeagol = Gorlum/Smeagorl (sounds better that way in Russian) Grima Wormtongue = Grima Gmiloust (Rotten Mouth) Middle-Earth = Sredizem'ye (hm. Mediterrain. So quite literally ME) Shire = Hobbitannia Bag-End = Torba-na-kruche (Bag on a hill) Brandywine = Brendiduim Old Forest = Vekovechniy Les (Everlasting forest) Barrow-downs ![]() Bree = Prigorye (Next-to-mountain) Midgewater Marshes = Komariniye Topi (Mosquito swamps/marshes) Rohan = Mustagrim (from mustang), or Ristaniya (not quite sure about that one) Minas Tirith/Tower of guard = Minas Tirit/Fortress of Last Hope The Fellowship = Hraniteli (keepers... for a lack of better word) LOTR = Vlastelin Kolets (literal) FOTR = Hraniteli (keepers) TTT = Dve Tverdini ([the] Two Strongholds) ROTK = Vozvrash'eniye Gosudarya (also literal) These are just some, but the list is quite long as it is... :-) PS: one that deserves extra-special attention is the one and only (... at leas at the time of LOTR)... *drumroll* ... BALROG! :-D It's translated as "Barlog", since it's just easier to say. (hence the reason for me calling him 'Barly' in my first posts on the Do-they-have-wings thread)
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Hey, nice ones, G55! Interesting to read this (also especially because I can understand most of that, and so get the impression it probably gives to a reader...).
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PS: about Elrond. If they changed his name to "Erlond", instead of Satrry Sky his name would come to mean "Lonely haven/harbour".
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I have to disagree. "Bag on a hook" would be "Torba-na-kryuchke". Krucha - not to be confused with kryuchok (although they probably sound the same to those who don't speak a Russian-resembling language) - means steep hill or precipice. So instead of Bag-End there is Bag-on-the-Hill.
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I just want to ask...has anyone heard of a Lord of the Rings translation in Hindi? I've seen several Potter books in Hindi, Urdu, even bleeding TAMIL, but not a single Tolkien book in any of those languages!
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