Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto - Planning and Discussion Thread - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-11-2006, 08:28 PM

Lucky Thirteen.

I'll post the basics tonight, send out roles shortly thereafter, and we can start late tomorrow.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Nogrod · 11-11-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

NOGROD! *glomp*

I was hoping you'd be here, if for no other reason than that I need someone to distrust immediately, and argue with until one of us dies.

Oh, Mrs. Roa (congratulations!), how bad! I had just thought that we could see this as a chance to at last come together...

Looking at the stats, I think you have been a baddie a lot more often than I have, so from the point of view of any reasonable villager, you will be the one who is the baddie and I'm the goodie - how beautiful your rhetorics will be...

But, and sincerely, sharing a victory would be the best of all (we have done it once, if I recall it right?). I really would love that.

We'll see...

Roa_Aoife · 11-11-2006, 10:06 PM

So, wait....

What time are we starting?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 01:01 AM

The game thread has been opened. Please refrain from posting on it until the first Day begins.

The wolves have been informed of their identities. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager. Congratulations on your distinct normalcy.

You are all welcome to PM me at any time. Please use your discretion in the use of this thread from now on; save it for announced absences, questions pertaining to rules... that sort of thing. If in doubt, just PM me.

Please make yourselves invisible if you have not already.

The first Night will be posted at an unspecified time tomorrow (11/12/06). The first Day will occur at 10:00 PM (EST) following it. With no Seer, a lengthy first Night is absolutely pointless.

Good luck, dear players, and thank you for playing. I very much hope you enjoy yourselves.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-12-2006, 01:23 PM

I would like to make a statement in advance about my time zone and its effect on my posting. 10pm CT is 4am EST. That means that I will not be posting for several hours before the day/night cycle ends/begins. Sleep has priority! If you're looking for lots of last-minute action, lynch me on the first day.

Actually, I'm not sure what the content of our posts should be - we can't speculate on cooperation of werewolves, since they don't know each others' identity. Are we to adopt a character and post in character? Not that that would help, but at least it would give us something to write...

And since there is no PMing by any of us, is there a reason for the request for players to be invisible online?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Actually, I'm not sure what the content of our posts should be - we can't speculate on cooperation of werewolves, since they don't know each others' identity.

There was a reason each of you were chosen. You all know me. You also know each other, at least to a point.

Though I didn't directly choose the wolves, you may not want to assume it was a completely random choice.

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And since there is no PMing by any of us, is there a reason for the request for players to be invisible online?

Tradition, mostly. I can't think of any die hard reasoning, but I also know I'm a bit distracted lately. Keeping players on invisible means that it doesn't matter if I forgot anything.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-12-2006, 02:21 PM

once again...

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Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Are we to adopt a character and post in character?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 02:35 PM

Once again...

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I'm going to continue with my current idea of mental vacation and leave it up to you. Would you prefer picking your own roles, or shall I merely write what comes to me?

littlemanpoet · 11-12-2006, 03:03 PM

I rather enjoy being the village grave digger. It allows me to write bad poetry.

Anguirel · 11-12-2006, 03:57 PM

I shall be an exhausted and overworked student of literature (post-modern ironic ha ha blimming ha).

Nogrod · 11-12-2006, 04:56 PM

If it comes to this, I will be a retired professor of philosophy who has turned to hate everything theoretical... and who will slip from his role at the first instant.

There was a nice game where everyone where required to post in-character all the game, in RPG-style, just a month ago or something. It was fun and it worked. But that requires pre-game planning and consent of all the players. Here we have not such a thing and so I think it's just best we go the way we wish...

So maybe we do not need any characters? In most of the games they have been a sham anyway...

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 05:15 PM

Any choice to write in character is your own and will affect the game only insomuch as you - individually and as a group - allow it to do so.

Diamond18 · 11-12-2006, 07:00 PM

Um... we're starting today? Nogrod, Boromir, and I are all still playing another game. Is this going to be a problem?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Um... we're starting today? Nogrod, Boromir, and I are all still playing another game. Is this going to be a problem?

Not for me.

Tell me now if you guys need a delay.

Diamond18 · 11-12-2006, 07:26 PM

I can't speak for Nogord and Boromir, but I would find it difficult to juggle both games. I cannot tell you when I will be available, though, as I don't know.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 07:46 PM

Bah.

Choice One: Start the game tonight and hope for the best in terms of those who are a bit busy.

Choice Two: Delay the game and risk uncertain moderatorial ability to guarantee hours and access nearing the end.

I don't much like either choice.

Therefore my room mate just recommended the perfect decision: blind luck.

Flipping a coin (technically a bottle cap, and technically I'm throwing it and then going to find it and look which side landed up... I am a resourceful person when it comes to chance...).

We'll begin tonight.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-12-2006, 07:59 PM

My apologies - and so soon! - but I will be all but inaccessable until late tomorrow morning.

If any questions turn up that I don't seem to be around to answer... make something up.

Roa_Aoife · 11-12-2006, 10:55 PM

2 hours in and I regret to inform everyone that I will be unavailable until several hours before the end of the day. Look for this pattern- I'll be here at the beginning and at the end, but I'll miss most of the in-between.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-13-2006, 02:59 AM

Grave digger, lit student, philosophy professor - what practical, typical village professions!

Somebody has to nurture the rest of the inhabitants, so I have decided to be a milkmaid. I definitely need a role to make posting interesting for me, as I see nothing logical to reason about in this game.

Mithalwen · 11-13-2006, 06:42 AM

Given the company I'm in.. I think I will be the Village Idiot or the Fool if you prefer something slightly more PC and Shakespearean....

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-13-2006, 11:31 AM

On Ties: Only one person will be lynched each Day, just as only one person will be killed each Night. In the event of a mass tie, the first two to reach the number of votes required for the tie will be the two decided between. Remember that you may retract your votes once; this may have bearing on how you decide to strategize.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

So what do we think would happen if nobody voted? Or would Fea just roll her eyes, flip her coin and lynch someone at random?

That is precisely what I'd do. One death per Day, one death per Night.

On Moderatorial Integrity: Coins have been used and will be used again. If I had meant for your participation to have no bearing on the outcome, I would have stuck with my original plan of no wolves, no gifteds, just a bunch of paranoid villagers killing people (with me picking people off each night) until somebody is left standing, only to fall to the Moderator. That, however, is neither fun nor fair. Though I have nothing against "subtly misleading" you, as then it becomes your own problem of interpretation, I will not lie.

On Wolf Identities: One wolf was hand chosen by me. The other was not. Welcome, yet again, to mixed rationality and luck.

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Originally Posted by LMP

Now for a bit of speculation causes shivers down my gaming spine: what if Feamoderator is the third werewolf? Is that completely outside the realm of possibility?

I can do that?

Is it too late?

Alas, there are only two wolves. In retrospect, do you have any idea how fun that would be?

And yet... completely unfair.

Boromir88 · 11-13-2006, 11:38 AM

If it's not too late I would like to be the town Sociologist surveyer. (DIdn't know we were going with roles in this one

).

the phantom · 11-13-2006, 11:50 AM

As far as my role, I will be the town phantom, for I am undoubtedly far more interesting than any character I could ever make up.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-14-2006, 06:52 PM

I know I just started the Day over two hours early, but I need to disappear. I'll poke my head in before classes in the morning. This early start will not affect the end time of the Day.

Roa_Aoife · 11-14-2006, 08:37 PM

Just saw this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me

There probably won't be any wolves at all- Fea will just randomly kill someone everynight until we go crazy trying to find a connection between them

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fea

If I had meant for your participation to have no bearing on the outcome, I would have stuck with my original plan of no wolves, no gifteds, just a bunch of paranoid villagers killing people (with me picking people off each night) until somebody is left standing, only to fall to the Moderator.

I so called it....

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 07:55 AM

We need victory conditions, Fea.

When two WWs are killed, does the village win?

When the number of villagers equals the number of WWs, do the WWs win?

In order to make this village completely legitimate you must provide victory conditions, for a game/competition/activity without known and attainable objectives is not a real game/competition/activity.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-15-2006, 08:09 AM

I should offer myself voluntarily for lynching before my reputation goes (even farther) downhill - apparently someone thinks my posting on this game is worth a bunch of negative points!

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 08:40 AM

That neg rep was me, Esty, cause I hate your guts. You see, before you joined this village I was going to be the most popular person here, but you ruined that for me!

As we speak I'm running around as quickly as possible trying to deal out ten reps so I can go back and neg rep you again.

I'll never forgive you.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-15-2006, 08:45 AM

@ phantom:

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-15-2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

We need victory conditions, Fea.

Oh, I suppose.

You'll find out who wins when there's one person left and I let you know what his or her role is.

Bêthberry · 11-15-2006, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Moddess on game thread

There were never, nor will there ever be, more than two wolves. If you weren't a wolf, you won't become one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did she ever categorically deny that anyone outside the game could be a wolf? Wasn't that just phantom's deduction?

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did she ever categorically deny that anyone outside the game could be a wolf? Wasn't that just phantom's deduction?

No, no, no, I never said you weren't a WW. I just said that you were definitely not one of the two WWs that the village must slay, for Fea specifically said that two of the thirteen "players" were WWs, and she clearly defined who the players were.

I ended by saying, "If Beth is a WW, she is an extra."

Bêthberry · 11-15-2006, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

No, no, no, I never said you weren't a WW. I just said that you were definitely not one of the two WWs that the village must slay, for Fea specifically said that two of the thirteen "players" were WWs, and she clearly defined who the players were.

I ended by saying, "If Beth is a WW, she is an extra."

I wasn't speaking of myself. I used the word "anyone."

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 01:12 PM

What's true for you is true for "anyone".

Bêthberry · 11-15-2006, 01:42 PM

@ phantom:

Ooohhh! two in one day

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-15-2006, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

apparently someone thinks my posting on this game is worth a bunch of negative points

I've been neg-repped also. It would appear my narratives are causing quite the stir. For my unidentified critic: Yes.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-15-2006, 05:58 PM

Delight, delight, I've just been reminded that I've a ticket to a show I have a many-layered obligation to see. Though I hope I'll be back in time to have a narrative post up by 11:00, if you see no posts from me at 10:00, assume I'm still in a theatre.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-15-2006, 06:04 PM

I assume that we should still not be posting after the deadline ...?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-15-2006, 08:38 PM

You're good. The show was about 45 minutes shorter than expected. I'm here, I'll post for you to stop at 10:00, narration will be rather similar to before.

Mithalwen · 11-16-2006, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I've been neg-repped also. It would appear my narratives are causing quite the stir. For my unidentified critic: Yes.

Fea, if you have a inkling as to whom this spineless critic is there is a simple way of confirming suspicions....

11-11-2006, 08:28 PM	#41
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Lucky Thirteen. I'll post the basics tonight, send out roles shortly thereafter, and we can start late tomorrow. Good luck. You'll need it. __________________ peace

11-11-2006, 10:06 PM	#43
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	So, wait.... What time are we starting? __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

11-12-2006, 01:01 AM	#44
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	The game thread has been opened. Please refrain from posting on it until the first Day begins. The wolves have been informed of their identities. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager. Congratulations on your distinct normalcy. You are all welcome to PM me at any time. Please use your discretion in the use of this thread from now on; save it for announced absences, questions pertaining to rules... that sort of thing. If in doubt, just PM me. Please make yourselves invisible if you have not already. The first Night will be posted at an unspecified time tomorrow (11/12/06). The first Day will occur at 10:00 PM (EST) following it. With no Seer, a lengthy first Night is absolutely pointless. Good luck, dear players, and thank you for playing. I very much hope you enjoy yourselves. __________________ peace

11-12-2006, 01:23 PM	#45
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I would like to make a statement in advance about my time zone and its effect on my posting. 10pm CT is 4am EST. That means that I will not be posting for several hours before the day/night cycle ends/begins. Sleep has priority! If you're looking for lots of last-minute action, lynch me on the first day. Actually, I'm not sure what the content of our posts should be - we can't speculate on cooperation of werewolves, since they don't know each others' identity. Are we to adopt a character and post in character? Not that that would help, but at least it would give us something to write... And since there is no PMing by any of us, is there a reason for the request for players to be invisible online? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-12-2006, 03:57 PM	#50
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I shall be an exhausted and overworked student of literature (post-modern ironic ha ha blimming ha). __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-12-2006, 03:03 PM	#49
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I rather enjoy being the village grave digger. It allows me to write bad poetry.

11-12-2006, 04:56 PM	#51
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	If it comes to this, I will be a retired professor of philosophy who has turned to hate everything theoretical... and who will slip from his role at the first instant. There was a nice game where everyone where required to post in-character all the game, in RPG-style, just a month ago or something. It was fun and it worked. But that requires pre-game planning and consent of all the players. Here we have not such a thing and so I think it's just best we go the way we wish... So maybe we do not need any characters? In most of the games they have been a sham anyway... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-12-2006, 05:15 PM	#52
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Any choice to write in character is your own and will affect the game only insomuch as you - individually and as a group - allow it to do so. __________________ peace

11-12-2006, 07:00 PM	#53
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Um... we're starting today? Nogrod, Boromir, and I are all still playing another game. Is this going to be a problem? __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

11-12-2006, 07:26 PM	#55
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I can't speak for Nogord and Boromir, but I would find it difficult to juggle both games. I cannot tell you when I will be available, though, as I don't know. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

11-12-2006, 07:46 PM	#56
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Bah. Choice One: Start the game tonight and hope for the best in terms of those who are a bit busy. Choice Two: Delay the game and risk uncertain moderatorial ability to guarantee hours and access nearing the end. I don't much like either choice. Therefore my room mate just recommended the perfect decision: blind luck. Flipping a coin (technically a bottle cap, and technically I'm throwing it and then going to find it and look which side landed up... I am a resourceful person when it comes to chance...). We'll begin tonight. __________________ peace

11-12-2006, 07:59 PM	#57
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	My apologies - and so soon! - but I will be all but inaccessable until late tomorrow morning. If any questions turn up that I don't seem to be around to answer... make something up. __________________ peace

11-12-2006, 10:55 PM	#58
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	2 hours in and I regret to inform everyone that I will be unavailable until several hours before the end of the day. Look for this pattern- I'll be here at the beginning and at the end, but I'll miss most of the in-between. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

11-13-2006, 02:59 AM	#59
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Grave digger, lit student, philosophy professor - what practical, typical village professions! Somebody has to nurture the rest of the inhabitants, so I have decided to be a milkmaid. I definitely need a role to make posting interesting for me, as I see nothing logical to reason about in this game. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-13-2006, 06:42 AM	#60
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Given the company I'm in.. I think I will be the Village Idiot or the Fool if you prefer something slightly more PC and Shakespearean.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-13-2006, 11:38 AM	#62
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	If it's not too late I would like to be the town Sociologist surveyer. (DIdn't know we were going with roles in this one ). __________________ Fenris Penguin

11-13-2006, 11:50 AM	#63
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	As far as my role, I will be the town phantom, for I am undoubtedly far more interesting than any character I could ever make up. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-14-2006, 06:52 PM	#64
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I know I just started the Day over two hours early, but I need to disappear. I'll poke my head in before classes in the morning. This early start will not affect the end time of the Day. __________________ peace

11-15-2006, 07:55 AM	#66
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	We need victory conditions, Fea. When two WWs are killed, does the village win? When the number of villagers equals the number of WWs, do the WWs win? In order to make this village completely legitimate you must provide victory conditions, for a game/competition/activity without known and attainable objectives is not a real game/competition/activity. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-15-2006, 08:09 AM	#67
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I should offer myself voluntarily for lynching before my reputation goes (even farther) downhill - apparently someone thinks my posting on this game is worth a bunch of negative points! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-15-2006, 08:40 AM	#68
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	That neg rep was me, Esty, cause I hate your guts. You see, before you joined this village I was going to be the most popular person here, but you ruined that for me! As we speak I'm running around as quickly as possible trying to deal out ten reps so I can go back and neg rep you again. I'll never forgive you. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-15-2006, 08:45 AM	#69
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	@ phantom: __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-15-2006, 01:12 PM	#74
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	What's true for you is true for "anyone". __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-15-2006, 01:42 PM	#75
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,997	@ phantom: Ooohhh! two in one day __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

11-15-2006, 05:58 PM	#77
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Delight, delight, I've just been reminded that I've a ticket to a show I have a many-layered obligation to see. Though I hope I'll be back in time to have a narrative post up by 11:00, if you see no posts from me at 10:00, assume I'm still in a theatre. __________________ peace

11-15-2006, 06:04 PM	#78
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I assume that we should still not be posting after the deadline ...?

11-15-2006, 08:38 PM	#79
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	You're good. The show was about 45 minutes shorter than expected. I'm here, I'll post for you to stop at 10:00, narration will be rather similar to before. __________________ peace