Welcome to Tol-in-Gauroth XI 'Fall of the Fall'

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Cailin

If a lot of different people have - let's say - two votes, because we are trying to spread them, it would just take one wolf-vote, not three, to condemn someone they wish to get rid of - someone they suspect of being a gifted, perhaps.

That would be a very risky thing for them to do in such a situation. Which is one of the reasons why it's a good idea to spread the votes around. If we have to lose an innocent (which, let's face it, is the likely outcome to-Day), then it will be pill less bitter to swallow if it helps lead us to a Wolf.

I'm beginning to form some useful impressions here, but I'm not going to share them until I see how things develop.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ah, I see what you mean, Cailín. And about that last comment – suspicious little minx, are you? You won't find many friends with that attitude, young lady.

After some thought I now believe that Formendacil is trying out a strategy. I say this because I am fully aware how intelligent the man is, and I don't think he would do anything carelessly (though his vote may seem careless). I'll explain this in more detail later; those who understand this potential strategy will also understand why I can't name it right now.

(And don't bother pointing out the irony of me myself falling for it earlier; rest assured, I am already aware that it makes me look bad ).

[mormegil]

Cailin speaks wisdom when it comes to Formendacil

Formendacil... strange vote. But any vote so early in the Day would seem strange - as has been said before - and I really think SpM just scared him by saying he wouldn't trust anyone who failed to vote. Also - I'm very reluctant to vote for someone unable to defend himself. It's too easy.

and

Yes. As does everyone on our little island right now

I see Formendacil's vote as, what he said it to be, an attempt to fulfill his civic duty even though he really had little to go on he bravely voted. This is not a defense of him per se, rather an attack against those who wantonly accuse somebody for casting a random vote on day one. The most important part of what Formendacil said was this

However, although I continue to have my suspicions about Saucie and Perky, I will cast my stone in another direction, fulfilling my civic duty and thus setting an example to the good citizens.

For reasons that really don't exist, I randomly accuse:

He told us about his suspicions and admitted it to be random. I by no means think him innocent yet I think we should be careful to not get rid of him today based solely on this.

I would like Wilwarin to answer my little theory on her.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The more I consider this [Formendacil's vote] the more it makes sense.

Earlier, Saucepan Man said that he didn't trust those who:

Do not vote or change their minds frequently or without reason.

That's fair enough by my reckoning. But, he also says that he doesn't trust those who:

Do not speak much or make accusations without backing them up with good reasons.

Now fair enough, there's a difference between 'not trusting' and 'having suspicions of'. But I'm not sure I agree with Saucey here. I'd rather trust someone who makes one or two good posts than someone who says a whole lot of nothing. And 'stirring the pot' is absolutely necessary. Whether intentional or not, that's what Formendacil's vote has done (stirred the pot, that is); and I think it could prove to be useful. That is in no way a knock on Márcolië Lamen.

In my opinion, our chief danger is posts of no substance; and I count accusations of any nature to be a substance of sort.

[The Saucepan Man]

Eomer. I had hoped that I had explained all this in post #36. You will see that I also agreed with the point that one or two posts of substance are a lot more useful than a whole lot of nothing.

As for unexplained votes, they do as a rule arouse my suspicion. But, as with all such matters, one must examine them on a case-by-case basis. In Formendacil's case, there are certainly extenuating circumstances. Basically, I think that we can take it for red that he had no option but to vote early, at a stage when there was very little information available. So, he voted randomly and made it absolutely clear that this was what he was doing. No attempt to make up spurious reasons for his vote. I took this into account in commenting earlier on his early vote (post #32).

Originally Posted by Eomer

Whether intentional or not, that's what Formendacil's vote has done (stirred the pot, that is)...

Darn right it has. That was part of what I meant when I said that I was forming some useful impressions. And one such impression involved your reaction to Formendacil's vote, as stated in post #33 and quite forcefully repeated in post #39. You now seem to be backtracking. Any particular reason?

[Márcolië Lamen]

There is probably good in having 'stirred the pot', as long as people don't bandwagon or something against me killing an innocent. It forces others to come and talk. But everyone please don't hold it against me. I know it was random and because of that I couldn't defend myself against reasoning even if it would be worth it...

Everyone help with that and come out and talk. We need it for the good of the village, any substantial post helps us weed out those guilty of slatering our friend Holby


I can't voice suspsions I don't have, and I am suspicious of everyone on our island, well other than myself...
I feel it'd probably be better to not kill off the strongest strategiests because chances are since its so early in the game they're innocents. But be wary watching them still, almost more wary since they may be able to hide if they are wolves better than others.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry Sauce. Reading through the thread, some things jump out at me and others are pushed into the background. You did explain it pretty well.

And yes, I did underline Formendacil's name on the suspicion list. But 'forcefully repeated' it? Was it the tongue-smiley which added that extra 'force'?

I have since seen other options regarding Formendacil's vote; it's called being open to suggestion, and being un-dogmatic. I'm also noticing that our posts reflect similar behaviour in regard to this, Saucy – as in: Formendacil, from suspect to useful tactical strategist. It seems that my argumentative nature has spawned a rally out of nothing.

I'll have to vote very soon. The spirit-world calls to me. Plus, I have beads to tie.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++AZAELIA OF WILLOWBOTTOM

Because she didn't even try to set tongues wagging in her sole post; all she did was cry and try to keep as far away from the suspicion list as possible whilst at the same time making herself visible.

If I go this evening or tonite, please heed my warning: People do change their minds. Eru knows it's already got me in trouble, but I don't regret it. Far more worrying, I think, are empty posts. Watch out for them.

Away I go; to complete my tasks with my eyes on the night. Good luck!

[Boromir88]

Did somebody call for the deprogrammer? Perky losing his mind? Perhaps everyone is losing their mind. If anyone needs help with this tramatic experience I can make everyone forget in a few 20 minutes, just call me on over.

To the business at hand, as I said I would have very little time today, and this will be the last chance of me being on for today, so I'll have to make my decision.

Reading through the posts here I'm following the logic used against Formendacil and Azaelia.

Because she didn't even try to set tongues wagging in her sole post; all she did was cry and try to keep as far away from the suspicion list as possible whilst at the same time making herself visible.~Eomer

That indeed I find suspicious, and who I seem to be most voting for. This would also point towards Wilwarin.

I recognize nothing different in Sauce than I have before, so for now, he's fine with me, though he may be using the strategy to get his wolfishness unnoticed.

Though Formendacil's strategy is odd, quick votes, quick suspicions, I doubt a wolf would be so bold on Day 1 as to attract that much suspicion. I think our wolves are hiding and not saying much.

Also, I encourage you all to have your own brains and think for yourself, not do as the Romans do in Julius Caesar.

With that being said my vote must be casted very soon as I will be gone.

++Wilwarin.

[wilwarin538]

I would like Wilwarin to answer my little theory on her.

Well your theory is very wrong. I would never want to draw any one in such a condition. I would also never hurt any one for the sake of my sketches.

I also think its unfair for anyone to have voted so early when there could have been no way for me to defend myself(school). The same probably goes for Zali.

If you want my suspicions they are everyone who has voted so far. So Eomer, Boro and Formendacil. All three voted for people who hadn't posted very much, so they were eather random(Formen) or based on almost nothing(Boro, 'Mer).

I will most likely vote for one of them.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

I did not mean to be vehemently accusatory in my post against Formendacil, I was merely questioning his vote. It was (and is) far too early to have definite suspicions, and my questions were asked more rhetorically than anything else.

And so the recap:

Perky, Gilu-Gadi, and Mormegil spoke with the usual somberness towards the death of such a great member.

Saucy posted fourth with this interesting quote:

I don't trust those who don't speak much.
I don't trust those who do not vote.
I don't trust those that make accusations without backing them up with good reasons,
and
I don't trust those who change their mind frequently or without reason.

Now, I think this is kind of an odd (note: not necessarily wolvish) thing to post for two reasons.

1. Saucy says right off the bat which things he suspects in a player. This could aid the wolves, because they immediately know the type of thing a player like Saucepan looks for.

2. In spite of this, I do not not trust Saucepan, because he is too big an asset to the village to lose, but more importantly it just seems a logical step towards weeding out the wolves from the villagers by posting the things that are suspicious.

Back to the recap:

Saucepan and Perky banter about nonsensical things such as pipe-weed and drinks from the tavern. Trivial and harmless, I suspect they are doing nothing more than keeping interest growing and progressing until the blood starts to spill.

Interspersed in this Gilu-Gadi makes an accusation against Alcarillo. I can't decide whether or not Gilu is joking about his accusation and just pointing fingers, because we have little else to go on, or whether he really found something suspicious in Alcarillo's post. Hey Gilu, if you're reading, can you explain if you were being serious?

Originally posted by Perky Ent
If no one has anywhere else to turn, I myself would be intrigued in Alcarillo's defence from Gil-Galad's acusations.

Alcarillo, I too, am curious as to what your defense is, please explain.

Then Mormegil claims that he suspects Wilwa, but seemingly (to me at least) he does this only in jest and is just trying to get things started.

Formendacil claims suspicion of SPM in one of his two posts. Claims that Pan Man's first post is "casting unwanted suspicions at quite possibly innocent villagers?" I disagree, for I think SPM is doing the exact opposite and warning innocent villagers not to act this way. My initial half-hearted suspicion of Formendacil begins.

Perky once again posts with role-playing fluff. Is he trying to appear helpful, while covering up a dark secret? I do not know.

Formendacil returns and casts the first vote for Marcolie. He says that he knows that she is probably innocent, but needs to vote and must accuse someone, even randomly.

Saucepan returns and assuages my worries about him slightly, when he says:

Perky was one of the few people around at the time and I wanted to get the discussion going, as it is only through talking that we will have any hope of catching these fiends.

This was exactly as I had thought, so I felt better about SPM's posts. He also mentions that Wilwa and Azaelia have not made sufficient contribution to the discussion. And he claims suspicion of Formendacil.

Both Eomer and I seemingly "latch on" to SPM's post and suspicion of Formendacil. I know that, at least on my part, I was already slightly, slightly curious about Formendacil's behaviour and was just doing my part as a wondering innocent. I, quite simply, wanted to know what he was up to.

The idea of spreading the votes around as to dissaude a werewolf bandwagon comes up. I most definitively agree with this proposal.

Cailin comes in and posts a "friendly" watchful post on Marcolie.

Second vote of the day from Eomer against Azealia. He warns the village against voting for people just becuase they change their minds and he warns to look to the people who post often and say little.

Boromir enters and posts a vote against Wilwarin for not saying helpful things. He expresses the same sentiments felt by most of the villagers.

Wilwa posts and demands to know why she is being punished for being at school. She says that she is suspicious of those who have voted (Eomer, Boromir and Formendacil.)

From this, what should I think? It appears that SPM is being his usual logical self and I've nothing yet to say against him.

Formendacil's vote while suspicious, is a very risky move for a wolf to make and so I shall not vote for him just yet.

I think the one who tops my list right now is Perky Ent. As both Shelob and I have said, he posts often and says little. This could just be the by-product of the first day and a game that can be fun with a bit of roleplaying, but I still think that he could just be a wolvish fiend floating by.

Forgive the length, I'm just trying to get organised.

[Shelob]

Originally Posted by SPM

My purpose in setting out my criteria was not so much to identify a pattern of Wolfish behaviour, but to encourage them to talk and (when the time comes) to vote. If they don't talk and vote, we are going to have a very hard time spotting them.

Even if they do talk we may have a hard time...but I see what you mean.


For the rest of this, as it stands an early vote tells us little...we can argue about what Formendacil, Eomer or Boromir88 were trying to do with their early votes but until we've all the votes (and their outcome) we can't really look at and for the meaning behind the votes. As it is now they have voted either because they're wolves hoping to start a bandwagon, or they simply have to due to time. Their votes have probably all been different in order to keep things spread out and to therefore keep down the chances of bandwagon and (hopefully) forcing the wolves into a pressured situation.


For suspicions...I don't know, I'm not inclined to suspect those who voted early simply because they voted early, as I said before until we can see more of the picture we can't see the reasons behind their votes...
Those I had before I still suspect, and those I've not yet named I still suspect (except myself, but then you probably figured that). Of everyone though I am right now most inclined to suspect Gil-Galad, it remains a combination of my initial suspicion and the fact that he has said nothing of real use. He has simply and persistantly (considering his few posts) accused Alcarillo...

[The Perky Ent]

Originally Posted by Whatshisface

drinks from the tavern. Trivial and harmless, I suspect they are doing nothing more than keeping interest growing and progressing until the blood starts to spill.

I do what I can if I can fit it in. It adds to the ambiance of the island.

Current votes

• Formendacil ---> Márcolië Lamon
• Eomer of the Rohirrim ---> Azaelia of Willowbottom
• Boromir ---> Wilwarin
• Azaelia ---> Gil-Galad

Well, I know I have gotten off on the wrong foot with Formendacil, and I was under the impression he would vote for either me or Saucy. I was quite suprised to see his vote for Marcolie Lamon. I fear there might be some secret strategy he's playing at. Wilwarin and Azaelia's express of caring are noted, and I'm still considering them. But, as said, they could be either be wolves or , like other people in the previous werewolf, innocent townsfolk who just got off on a bad foot. Now, silence isn't golden in this game, and I think the silent one's will start to register on my radar. Right now, people that will probably end up on my suspect list are Formendacil, Gil-Galad, Alcarillo. Those are just a few of the ones i'm considering. Oh, and saucepan man as well, simply because I can't trust him by the nature of his posts, and his list of what to look for in a wolf. Who better to make a list of what to look for in a wolf than the wolf itself? I'm not acusing saucepan man of being a werewolf, but I'm definitly considering it!

[Cailín]

Sorry for my longer than intended absense. I'm going to read through the latest posts now and will have to vote very soon...

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well. Shame on me for making a rushed first post. I think, though, that as someone (Eomer?) has said, that as I have had previous experiences fighting wolves, I would not be so bad as to post like that. Well, let me put this forward: If I was a wolf, having had previous experience fighting wolves, would I really make the same dumb mistake as they say a wolf attempting to appear innocent would make? I don't think so.

Self-defense is a suspicious action. Shame on me twice. (apologies for the sarcasm)

I don't like how Sauce was right out there right away with his "I don't trust" list. It's very forward and, perhaps, does not take into account extenuating circumstances (in my case, school and visiting relatives).

And now I must be off again. I do not know who to vote for, but I will not be back before the deadline. What a dilemma. I wish to make clear that the following vote is made fairly randomly...

++Gil-Galad

Because he confuses me with his rather meaningless posts against Alcarillo. And I have nothing else to go on. (if he turns out to actually have a good reason for this suspicion and behavior, wow I'm going to get lynched bad )

[arcticstorm]

Those murderous lupines are doing an incredible job of concealing themselves, I have been listening to what everyone has been saing, and still I have almost no one on my suspect list. Formendacil's vote was rather suspicious when he had previously voiced suspicion in others, but it seems that it was just a random vote because he had no leads. Furthermore, it seems like no one is willing ot really make the first move and actually accuse someone else of being a wolf, yes we have had a few votes due to suspicious circumstances, but no one has actually accused anyone, it has all been an "I don't know" proposition. I have been looking at everything and I will be waiting for about an hour before casting my vote so I can see if anyone accidentally slips up, but right now I am pretty much dismissing Eomer, Boromir, and Formendacil, because I do not think a wolf would be stupid enough to vote so early. I will decide later who to vot efor, and God help us all if we are wrong in our decision

[Cailín]

Ai, this is indeed hard. To vote so early with so little to go on. Who to trust?

I’m quite reluctant to either vote for Wilwa or Azaelia, because I do not wish to jump on the Eomer – Boromir bandwagon (interestedly, though they voted for different people, they followed the same chain of thought. Not saying it’s a bad chain, but I distrust any chains today.) The Saucepan Man seems cluelessly himself, Formendacil has been too brave to not live through the day. I’m also inclined to trust Morm, Shelob and Marcolie for now.

So who do we have left?

Well, I don't think we'd wish to lose Eomer just yet. At least his posts are of a legible length (as opposed to some of mine) and he says no more than necessary.

The Perky Ent... I do not trust you. But then again, dramatic people never trust the perky ones. It's simply unnatural.

Gil-Galad: suspicious as ever. He appears to be completely ignorant of the situation and instead mumbles something about witchcraft. Strange medieval practices I’m not so fond of. But is it wolfish?

Alcarillo has not been very helpful either – less so even. Also, bullets? Don’t know what it means, but it sounds evil to me.

AbercrombieofRohan is really an adorable poet, so she won’t be getting my vote today. Not saying anything about tomorrow.

Articstorm does not want any innocent blood on his hands. But how about his claws or fangs or furry skin? He has said too little to make me trust him and is just making some general statements and observations to stay in the picture.

Boromir88… you were late indeed. Oh well.

So, I guess you could say Alcarillo, Gil and Arcticstorm are the three villagers I’m most suspicious of right now. I chose randomly, and

++ARCTICSTORM

You’re it.

[Gil-Galad]

i swear i went eenie weenie miny mo ++Saucepanman


see you sunday

[mormegil]

++Perky

not so random, he is the one that seems most suspect to me and Wilwa is not out of my sights yet.

His reaction to accusation seemed interesting and I noted it and posted my note too.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am slightly confused about the timing. Holby said the Day would close at 12pm GMT, which would be 1am for me I think, taking account of Daylight Saving. But I'm not sure. I'm working on a post with my thoughts, but don't want to miss the deadline. How long have we got?

[Shelob]

Alright...I understand needing to keep the vote close but there's also I point where I find it to be rather ridiculous. As it stands we have 7 votes--all for different people...

Assuming that somepeople will miss the deadline (or "miss" the deadline, if they feel the need) we're fairly close to having a completely pointless situation. A close vote is one thing, a this tie-vote where the first voted for will be lynched because there was no majority tells us nothing.

Therefore, I'm placing myself in prime lynching position for tomorrow by putting one person ahead of the others. Think of it as you will, but this is not a wolfish trick--it is rather an attempt to make any such tricks more visible.

With that I'll vote
++GIL-GALAD

Not randomly as all the other votes have been, but because I find him particularly unhelpful.


SPM--we should have about an hour, maybe an hour 15min....but to be safe go with an hour.

[The Perky Ent]

Originally Posted by mormegil

++Perky

not so random, he is the one that seems most suspect to me and Wilwa is not out of my sights yet.

His reaction to accusation seemed interesting and I noted it and posted my note too.

Yes, I have been rather talkative, haven't I? Just trying to figure out the safe from the wolf. Right now, I'm leaning twords Gil-Galad. He seems to be quite the cobbler. Random accusations with very little to back them up. I hate to seem like bandwagoning, but he has dwelt in my thoughts for quite some time. But I'm going to take the time before I vote to reread all the posts, and see if I can pick anything up before I make my decision

[Alcarillo]

I apologize for my long absence from the village discussions, for I had some work at my forge to attend to.

It seems that I am now suspected by some, mostly for my silver bullets comment. Don't silver bullets kill werewolves? Or vampires? Or is it gold bullets? Nevermind. The accusations against me seem very tenuous, anyways.

I would like to hear from those silent people, especially Gil-Galad. He accused me of witchcraft (jest or not, I do not know), and now many people seem to have listened to him. Perhaps he and his werewolf friends have decided to cast suspicion towards me?

Lynching somebody because he or she's been very quiet sounds a bit unfair, but so early in the game I can see why it might be done. Silence does not tell us anything, and so late in the day I would expect a little more.

EDIT: His vote for the Saucepan Man seems to have no basis. If you're voting randomly, don't vote for a helpful villager!

[wilwarin538]

Well I don't really want to add another name into the mix of votes, so I won't vote for one of the boys I mentioned before. Instead I will vote for:

++Perky

I reread everything and I am now also suspicious of him. He talks a little to much.

So my list(in no order):
Boromir88
Eomer
Formendacil
Perky

[arcticstorm]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Articstorm does not want any innocent blood on his hands. But how about his claws or fangs or furry skin? He has said too little to make me trust him and is just making some general statements and observations to stay in the picture.

while it is true that I have only making general statements instead of accusing anyone, there is a reason for that. Frankly I am just extremely befuddled, and we cannot afford to make many mistakes. I do not know who to vote for today since I have no clue as to who could be a wolf.

with that in mind, I will continue to look and judge people's reactions to what people say, and then I will make my final call. Unfortunately that means I will probably have a blank vote today, unless something changes soon.

[The Perky Ent]

++Gil-Galad


I've given my reasons. He acuses people out of the blue

Originally Posted by Gil-galad

I accuse Alcarillo of witchcraft! burn him!!! burn him!!! he turned me into a newt!

Most likely an attempt for humor, but I see it as something that could be a problem.

Originally Posted by Guess who

Alcarillo could have done something with the Gunpowder thingy to kill Holby!

Once again, Gil shows poor reasoning for acusing Alcarillo of being a werewolf. His lackluster logic (huray for aliteration!) for his reasonings gives him feeble support.

Originally Posted by Who has this whole post been about?

i swear i went eenie weenie miny mo ++Saucepanman


see you sunday

I swear, if this game had a cobbler... In my opinion, Gil-Galad seems to be a poor slot to fill in the village, and unless he is operating out of some strategy, I am disapointed. Certainly, he is capable of posting more than a sentance, and guessing literally randomly on who to kill. If all these examples aren't enough, I don't want someone in the village who will randomly try to kill an innocent just because it's the luck of the draw. Several people have voted with much doubt and little clarity as to why, but at least they give the best explanation they can as to why the person they're voting for deserves to die.

Oy!

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I could make a case against just about everyone (even myself ) at the moment. Equally, I can find things about just about everyone that could speak of their innocence.

A few of the reactions to things that I have said interest me.

Some people seem to have mirrored my comments with their own thoughts. Eomer of the Rohirrim comes to mind. After I pointed out that Formendacil’s early vote met my criteria for distrust (but signified that I was disinclined to vote for him to-Day), he made an accusation of Formendacil, which he later backtracked on. He also picked up on my comments about Azaelia and wilwa. Abercombie also seems to have been following along with my train of thought to an extent. This unnerves me, since I am worried that one or both of them may be trying to identify themselves with me. I think that I am a pretty good candidate to die to-Night (assuming that they cannot find the Seer) and they may be hoping that my innocence, when discovered, will shield them (good grief, I sound like the phantom ). Eomer concerns me in particular since, even though I was antagonistic towards him, he avoided rising to the bait.

Some seem to have misinterpreted my comments - perhaps mistakenly, or perhaps wilfully. Eomer did this when he overlooked my explanation of my reason for setting out my criteria (post #36), but retracted his comments when I pointed him towards it. Yet others have subsequently done the same:

Originally Posted by Abercrombie of Rohan

Saucy says right off the bat which things he suspects in a player. This could aid the wolves, because they immediately know the type of thing a player like Saucepan looks for.

I already said that I was trying to provoke the Wolves into talking and voting, rather than staying quiet and hiding.

Originally Posted by Azaelia of Willowbottom

I don't like how Sauce was right out there right away with his "I don't trust" list. It's very forward and, perhaps, does not take into account extenuating circumstances (in my case, school and visiting relatives).

I already said that I would be looking at things on a case-by-case basis. Of course I am not going to vote for somebody if there were good reasons for them not being able to contribute.

Then there was this comment by Abercrombie:

In spite of this, I do not not trust Saucepan, because he is too big an asset to the village to lose, but more importantly it just seems a logical step towards weeding out the wolves from the villagers by posting the things that are suspicious.

You said that you do not trust me because I am an asset to the Village and because I seem to be trying to weed out the Wolves. An innocent mistake - or a Freudian slip?

And then this by Cailin:

The Saucepan Man seems cluelessly himself ...

Well, I fully acknowledge that my reasoning may be awry. But how do you know it is?

All of these comments have got my suspicions up.

Then there’s Gil. Let‘s face it, there’s always Gil. Perhaps we should lynch him now because otherwise we will be considering lynching him every Day until he is finally lynched. It's almost inevitable that he will be at some point. He had a flurry of comments early on (just after I said I distrust those who do not speak), but said very little of substance. His baseless accusation of Alcarillo is suspicious, but it may just have been banter. What concerns me more is that, on the back of this, Perky has made a number of demands that Alcarillo explain himself. What for? A random accusation by Gil based on Alc's mention of gunpowder? I don’t get it.

The early votes from Formen and Boro don’t really concern me at the moment. They have been adequately explained, although I may revisit them tomorrow, if I get the chance.

I agree that the lack of substantive comments in Arcticstorm’s contributions is slightly suspicious. Same goes for wilwa (although at least she has voted). But I’m not going to hold it against them just yet.

That leaves morm, Shelob, Alcarillo and Marcolie, against whom I have no evidence at the moment.

So. Who should I vote for? Like Shelob, I don’t think there is any need now to spread the votes out further. My hunch is that, with the votes spread out so much and the likelihood of a Wolf being in danger, at least one Wolf and possibly two are leaving it ‘til late to vote. Those who have not voted yet are Abercrombie, Alcarillo, Arcticstorm, Marcolie, Perky and, of course, me. At the risk of looking suspicious myself, I am going to leave it for now and see what happens. I have about 40 minutes, as I understand it.

Edit: Cross-posted with Perky, who has now voted.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I really don't know what time voting closes...

In terms of voting I really have no idea. So choosing mostly randomly but taking into consideration not losing the highest strategists, my vote goes to

++articstorm

[Alcarillo]

The only person whom I have suspected is Gil-Galad. His useless chatter, random accusations, and random vote are just too unhelpful. He is the only person I am suspicious of at the moment, and he has had plenty of opportunities to defend himself, and yet he does not.

++Gil-Galad

Even if he turns out to be innocent, we, as Saucepan Man said, will eventually lynch him; and it's better to lynch an innocent today than later when it matters most for the village. On the first day, he seems like the best choice to me. Let us hope that he is a wolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

Perky, I find it hard to square these two comments of yours:

Originally Posted by The Perky Ent

If no one has anywhere else to turn, I myself would be intrigued in Alcarillo's defence from Gil-Galad's acusations.

Originally Posted by The Perky Ent

Once again, Gil shows poor reasoning for acusing Alcarillo of being a werewolf.

I would prefer to avoid cutting off my pipeweed supply, so I would welcome some sort of an explanation ...

I would note also that Abercrombie followed Perky's lead in demanding an explanation from Alcarillo on the basis of Gil's ludicrous accusation:

Originally Posted by Abercrombie

Alcarillo, I too, am curious as to what your defense is, please explain.

These two, together with Eomer, are at the forefront of my thoughts at the moment.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, with three votes to go, it's between Gil-Galad and Perky.

Gil-Galad would not be the worst choice that we could make. Even if he's innocent, it would remove a stumbling block to future voting. I am not wholly convinced of his guilt, though.

Perky, however, I do suspect. And I wonder if there is some sort of effort going on to make sure that he does not face the noose. I shall have to vote shortly, yet am still undecided between the two.

[Shelob]

As it stands though it's
Perky-2
Gil-4

unless there's a sudden sweeping movement for Perky the best a vote for him could do was pressure the wolves...which is a good enough reason to vote for him, you can't gain anything by voting for Gil-Galad...with a 3:4 vote it'll at least make it so the wolves have to really think (provided they've not all voted already)

[mormegil]

Votes are

4 for Gil
2 for Perky
2 for Articstorm

those are the ones that really matter at this point. It looks as though Gil will be lynched though I suspect Perky more. The only way for Perky to be gone is if all 3 remaining vote for him. If there is a wolf left and Perky is a wolf they will avoid voting for him. Keep that in mind if we find out Perky is a wolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

I had left arcticstorm out of the equation, morm, because I do not intend voting for him.

Originally Posted by Shelob

... which is a good enough reason to vote for him, you can't gain anything by voting for Gil-Galad...with a 3:4 vote it'll at least make it so the wolves have to really think (provided they've not all voted already)

My thoughts exactly, Shelob.

Originally Posted by mormegil

It looks as though Gil will be lynched though I suspect Perky more.

I agree.

++THE PERKY ENT

Let's see what happens ...

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I had left arcticstorm out of the equation, morm, because I do not intend voting for him.

I figured but I thought I would add him anyway. Now I feel Shelob fairly innocent because she voiced the same thought I had at the same time. We both thought of a way to add heat to the wolves.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, if they don't vote, I shall expect explanations from Abercrombie and Arcticstorm tomorrow. Provided I am still here, that is.

[Shelob]

Originally Posted by Morm

she voiced the same thought I had at the same time.

It calmed most of my suspicions on you too...though my initial reaction was more along the lines of "Great, somebody else is taking over my mind."

Originally Posted by SPM

I shall expect explanations from Abercrombie

Actually, thinking on it, I'm pretty sure Abercrombie had something from about 4.30 to 8-ish (EDIT: eastern time)...which would explain why she hasn't voted now...though she probably could/should have voted early...

[Holbytlass]

*time*

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

No!!!!

++ Perky

Oh, my gosh, look for an explanation of the other thread, I'm so sorry.

[Holbytlass]

The village of Seekhaven Island was established over 100 years ago. It was a place of peace, harmony and a simpler life than the hustle and bustle of mainland towns.

It was prosperous in its own right. With plenty of resources to keep all the trades busy and rich soil that yielded hardwood trees and grains and produce form the communal fields. All this was traded amongst themselves and sold to the towns. Commerce was alive and well, but the barge would not come for another month.

All day the villagers came to the Inn and debated long and hard on who would do such an atrocity. All were at a loss as to who, but time waits for no one and winter was coming. So all came and went as much as they could for daily chores needed to be done.

"Some semblence of normalcy must be maintained," one sagely said.
And the others agreed if only for a chance to to escape the hot debates so they could hear themselves think.

But all too soon, the sun grew large and very orange as it cast long shadows of haystacks and piles of pumpkins. Most came back to the Inn to do the unthinkable, vote for someone's death.

At long last, the tally had been counted and Gil-Galad Gonzalo the Llama Paladin Conqueror of Distant Lands was to be executed.

"I'm innocent! I did no such thing!" he cried, but to no avail. A couple of the men grabbed him and hog-tied him for good measure.

"Now what are we going to do?" was the cry. Afterall, nothing like this had ever happened. So they all wracked their brains for werewolf lore and someone finally remembered something about silver.

The silversmith and the blacksmith were called upon. "Blacksmith, take your arrows and go with the silversmith and dip the tips in silver."

As this was done, Gil-Galad was then dragged out and tied to a tree.
Those who voted for him took up bows and in 'firing squad' fashion shot Gil dead.

And dead he stayed.

Instant remorse filled everyone but something had to be done tonight.

"We should all sleep in the Inn," someone suggested.
"Yes, safety in number." some cried.
"No, easy pickings." others cried.

To each their own. Night had come all went to bed.

~Wolves may start P.M.
Names form wolves, seer, ranger, hunter


ordinary:11
wolves:3

dead
Holby(mod-pigeon girl) clawed from wolves night 1
Gil-Galad(Ordinary)shot by firing squad day1

living
Morm
Perky Ent
Formendacil
Wilwarin
Saucepan Man
Eomer
Shelob
Arcticstorm
Alcarillo
Abercrombie
Marcolie
Azaelia
Boromir
Cailin