Are orcs immortal?? - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-22-2003, 07:50 PM

That is true, all i was saying was that you can live to 142 and not be immortal. Hobbits live longer than men, but no one would say they were immortal.

Olorin_TLA · 12-23-2003, 08:46 AM

True, but to even none fo them lived to be 142...and to have your lifespan be longer than non-corrupted Men would be wierd if you are a corrupted man. It's a tough topic.
142 could still be Men-corruption, but if Gorbag relally did live to 500...well, I'd have to see the proof of that first.

Mariska Greenleaf · 12-23-2003, 09:17 AM

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"What is kinda remarkable is that Gorbag was slain in 3019 (III), at the age of more then 500 years, which would suggest his immortality. He was an Uruk-hai, so he was a later breed of orc."

Mariska, could you tell me the source for Gorbag's age? I haven't been able to find it.

I have found this information in the Encyclopedia of Arda. I find the info on that site to be very accurate.

here it is

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Olorin_TLA · 12-24-2003, 10:04 AM

Oh yes, I saw that the Encyclopedia said it, and I agree that it's accurate, but even the ENcyclopedia must ahve a source...and I can't help wondering if that age was an undecided or discarded idea by Tolkien.

Mariska Greenleaf · 12-24-2003, 02:27 PM

Yeah, you're right, the Encyclopedia must have a source, and personally I don't doubt the info they give is correct, but I think I'll try to find out more about it anyway. Tolkien must have wrote something about this...

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-24-2003, 11:32 PM

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True, but to even none fo them lived to be 142...and to have your lifespan be longer than non-corrupted Men would be wierd if you are a corrupted man.

yes, and this is one of the reasons that i believe that orcs are immortal, and bred from elves. Otherwise, why would what saruman did (mix orcs with men to make the goblin-men) be so horrible? And yes, someone else said that first on this site, but it is a good reason.

12-22-2003, 07:50 PM	#41
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	That is true, all i was saying was that you can live to 142 and not be immortal. Hobbits live longer than men, but no one would say they were immortal. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-23-2003, 08:46 AM	#42
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	True, but to even none fo them lived to be 142...and to have your lifespan be longer than non-corrupted Men would be wierd if you are a corrupted man. It's a tough topic. 142 could still be Men-corruption, but if Gorbag relally did live to 500...well, I'd have to see the proof of that first. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

12-24-2003, 10:04 AM	#44
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Oh yes, I saw that the Encyclopedia said it, and I agree that it's accurate, but even the ENcyclopedia must ahve a source...and I can't help wondering if that age was an undecided or discarded idea by Tolkien. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

12-24-2003, 02:27 PM	#45
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	Yeah, you're right, the Encyclopedia must have a source, and personally I don't doubt the info they give is correct, but I think I'll try to find out more about it anyway. Tolkien must have wrote something about this... __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.