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Odysseus819 · 06-14-2001, 10:00 AM

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This may have already been mentioned but Earendil and his ship being placed in the sky (like a star) recalls a couple of Greek myths where the same thing happens -- was it Cassiopoeia? Can't remember I'll look it up.

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Odysseus819 · 06-14-2001, 10:05 AM

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Yes Cassiopeia was changed into the constellation of the same name at her death, and Astraea was changed to the constellation Virgo.

By practice taught, I have learned patience, having much endured/ By tempest and in battle both. Come then This evil also! I am well prepared.</p>

***Sharkû*** · 06-14-2001, 03:44 PM

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Hey, how'd ya think I came up with that silly FanFic idea anyway <img src=wink.gif ALT="

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Each man kills the thing he loves...</p>

HerenIstarion · 03-15-2003, 03:09 AM

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Magician of Nathar · 03-15-2003, 05:58 PM

The first time I saw LOTR, I was thinking, "cool, this stuff is just like The Ring!(the opera, NOT the new horror movie)"
There is the ring motive. A ring of ultimate power of dominance, but it's cursed and deadly to its bearers, yet all are tempted to pocesse it. I do thing Tolkien drew many motifs from the old Norse/Germen mythology. There are many similar plot devices, even similar scenes. I find the first meeting between Aragorn and Eowyn strikingly similar to that of Siegfried and Gutrune. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

drigel · 03-18-2003, 12:02 PM

Tolkiens dislike of Shakespeare is congruous with his dislike of other "popular" British mythology, most of which are a bunch of mixed up Norman (French) based tales. The question is - which did he loath more: Disney or Shakespeare?

Lalaith · 03-18-2003, 03:28 PM

Very interesting thread, raising lots of points I'd never thought of! Thank you all...
re Shakespeare, I think that Tolkien disliked drama in general, but I'm sure I've read a quote somewhere where he acknowledged Shakespeare's power of language and skill as a writer.
Re themes - I've mentioned on another thread the giving or refusing of a lock of hair by a golden haired woman - found in Njalssaga.

06-14-2001, 03:44 PM	#43
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hungry Ghoul Posts: 929</TD><TD><img src=http://www.tolkiens-legacy.de/draugen.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Motifs of Myth Hey, how'd ya think I came up with that silly FanFic idea anyway <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> Each man kills the thing he loves...</p>

03-15-2003, 03:09 AM	#44
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	up __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

03-18-2003, 03:28 PM	#47
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Very interesting thread, raising lots of points I'd never thought of! Thank you all... re Shakespeare, I think that Tolkien disliked drama in general, but I'm sure I've read a quote somewhere where he acknowledged Shakespeare's power of language and skill as a writer. Re themes - I've mentioned on another thread the giving or refusing of a lock of hair by a golden haired woman - found in Njalssaga. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

06-14-2001, 10:00 AM	#41
Odysseus819 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 699	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 430</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Motifs of Myth This may have already been mentioned but Earendil and his ship being placed in the sky (like a star) recalls a couple of Greek myths where the same thing happens -- was it Cassiopoeia? Can't remember I'll look it up. By practice taught, I have learned patience, having much endured/ By tempest and in battle both. Come then This evil also! I am well prepared.</p>

06-14-2001, 10:05 AM	#42
Odysseus819 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 699	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 431</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Motifs of Myth Yes Cassiopeia was changed into the constellation of the same name at her death, and Astraea was changed to the constellation Virgo. By practice taught, I have learned patience, having much endured/ By tempest and in battle both. Come then This evil also! I am well prepared.</p>

03-15-2003, 05:58 PM	#45
Magician of Nathar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 46	The first time I saw LOTR, I was thinking, "cool, this stuff is just like The Ring!(the opera, NOT the new horror movie)" There is the ring motive. A ring of ultimate power of dominance, but it's cursed and deadly to its bearers, yet all are tempted to pocesse it. I do thing Tolkien drew many motifs from the old Norse/Germen mythology. There are many similar plot devices, even similar scenes. I find the first meeting between Aragorn and Eowyn strikingly similar to that of Siegfried and Gutrune. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

03-18-2003, 12:02 PM	#46
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	Tolkiens dislike of Shakespeare is congruous with his dislike of other "popular" British mythology, most of which are a bunch of mixed up Norman (French) based tales. The question is - which did he loath more: Disney or Shakespeare?