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The Perky Ent · 06-06-2004, 10:28 PM

Right! Sorry about that!

Killed in darkness, reborn in fire, near the power of most desire,
I tasted evil, and never feable, and always remained regal.
By royalty I am, and to many I'd ram, for my attack goes "wham!"

The wham part is a bit out of character, but it fits.

Bombadil · 06-07-2004, 09:53 PM

Grond?

nynnd1 · 06-08-2004, 05:16 AM

Is it the Lord of Nazgul

The Perky Ent · 06-08-2004, 10:04 AM

Nope! (It's fun to say that

)

NightKnight · 06-08-2004, 12:46 PM

Gandalf?

The Perky Ent · 06-08-2004, 12:46 PM

Nope!

Evisse the Blue · 06-09-2004, 01:45 AM

Sauron?

The Perky Ent · 06-09-2004, 07:32 AM

Nope, but abstracty getting closer!

Son of Númenor · 06-09-2004, 07:53 AM

The answer is Narsil, known as Andúril after it was reforged.

The Perky Ent · 06-09-2004, 04:12 PM

Yes it is clever son!

Son of Númenor · 06-09-2004, 05:17 PM

Premonition made her wary of
That which was nonetheless bequeathed
On faithful soul who sought in love,
The ill-fated, in sorrow wreathed

I am not only looking for who 'she' is, but what the riddle is about as a whole.

Durelin · 06-13-2004, 08:46 AM

Since you stated, 'this should be easy', I will go with this answer, as it does fit.

Arwen, and the giving up of her immortality. 'The ill-fated' must be Aragorn.

That seems far too simple, but...

-Durelin

Son of Númenor · 06-13-2004, 09:12 AM

Good guess, Durelin, but that's not what I'm looking for.

The Perky Ent · 06-13-2004, 10:40 AM

I have no clue, so I'll do another one of my random guessing. Luthien?

paavo · 06-21-2004, 03:22 PM

inspired by perky ents random quess, I'll have one of my own: Turin?

The Perky Ent · 06-21-2004, 05:05 PM

Idril?

Son of Númenor · 06-27-2004, 09:21 AM

Still not what I'm looking for.

Hint: The passage refers to three people, all of different race.

The Perky Ent · 06-27-2004, 09:25 AM

No clue, so Beren - man, Luthien - elf, and Dior -half elf?

Son of Númenor · 06-27-2004, 10:02 AM

I don't just want who it is, but what the riddle means as a whole. As it happens, the three people you named are all incorrect, but are closely related to the ones whom the riddle concerns.

Mithalwen · 06-27-2004, 11:31 AM

I think it is Niniel / Nienor.

Son of Númenor · 06-27-2004, 11:35 AM

Has anyone bothered to read what I said?

Mithalwen · 06-27-2004, 11:50 AM

Sorry..I mad ethe classic mistake of answering without fully reading the instructions..
'She' is Melian who is concerned by the malice she senses in Anglachel, the sword made by Eol, which Beleg (elf and faithful soul) chooses when he goes to seek Turin ( man, son of Umarth - ill fate) . Her fears are well grounded because when Beleg finds Turin bound and unconscious, the sword nicks Turin as he cuts the fetters and Turin roused and thinking himself attacked seizes the sword and slays Beleg........

Son of Númenor · 06-27-2004, 12:05 PM

Spot on, Mithalwen. Your go.

Mithalwen · 06-28-2004, 12:38 PM

Sorry for the delay... I find setting questions so hard it almost puts me off answering if I think I am right!!!!

Hidden helm defied destiny,
Sought love found pity,
Deserted and followed duty,
Fulfilled an ancient prophecy
Seeming lost to death
Kinsman detected breath
Despair and darkness averted
When heart was converted.

Reasonably full explanation please...

Son of Númenor · 06-28-2004, 12:48 PM

1. Hidden helm defied destiny,
2. Sought love found pity,
3. Deserted and followed duty,
4. Fulfilled an ancient prophecy
5. Seeming lost to death
6. Kinsman detected breath
7. Despair and darkness averted
8. When heart was converted.

1. She took the name "Dernhelm"
2. Sought Aragorn's love, but found only his pity
3. Deserted her post as leader of the women and children in Edoras to fight at the Pelennor Fields
4. Killed the Witch-king, fulfilling Glorfindel's prophecy that no man would ever kill the Lord of the Nazgûl.
5/6/7. Éomer and Théoden both thought she was dead after her encounter with the Witch-king, but she eventually recovered.
8. She fell in love with Faramir in the Houses of Healing.

Gil-Galad · 06-28-2004, 01:11 PM

wasn't it Malbeth the Seer that said "no man can kill the witch-king"?

walking scarecrow?

Son of Númenor · 06-28-2004, 09:47 PM

Quote:

wasn't it Malbeth the Seer that said "no man can kill the witch-king"?

No, it was Glorfindel, who said, "not by the hand of man will he fall."

Mithalwen · 06-29-2004, 11:56 AM

Oooh that lasted a full 10 minutes before an almost perfect answer....Yes....it is Eowyn who although she deserted her post fulfilled her chosen duty to defend the king. L7 belongs to 8 but the 2 do refer to her falling in love with Faramir.

5 and 6 you have interpreted wrongly - Theoden did not know she was dead and Eomer is not the kinsman I am thinking of - the incident is quite specific....

Anyway do go ahead and set another question

Gil-Galad · 06-29-2004, 02:26 PM

i'm positive Malbeth said that, Glorfindel probaly reminded the king of Gondor that tried too chase the witch king down after he was purged from Arnor

Son of Númenor · 06-29-2004, 02:59 PM

No, he didn't. Glorfindel predicted it. Malbeth predicted Aragorn's passing through the Paths of the Dead.

Anyway, on with the riddle.

Dark as night
Home to hermit

Bombadil · 06-29-2004, 03:32 PM

Nan Elmoth?

Mithalwen · 06-30-2004, 11:30 AM

in Appendix A of LOTR it gives a description of teh encounter between Earnur and the witch king and Glorfindel's words. It gives no sign that he is quoting rather than making the prophecy himself. So I say - for what it is worth- Glorfindel...

The kinsman of Eowyn I was referring to in my riddle was imrahil btw.

Son of Númenor · 07-01-2004, 06:46 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Mithalwen.

Bombadil, you've got it.

Bombadil · 07-01-2004, 09:40 PM

Cool, hmm let's see...

Made by dark hands
my curse felt by the 1st
felt by the 2nd
and by the worm.

Doesn't rhyme sorry! But see if you can explain each line in your answer, just to make it more fun.

Mithalwen · 07-02-2004, 12:23 PM

Anglachel / Gurthang made by Eol the dark elf (dark hands) from ore taken from a meteor. Melian sensed its malice when it was given to Beleg Cuthalion and warned him it was ill omened (the curse)... The sword took the life of it's first bearer (Beleg) at the hands of it's second (Turin Turambar) who used it to commit suicide. turin used the sword to kill the dragon Glaurung (the worm). glaurung broke under Turin and it's shards were interred with him.

Bombadil · 07-02-2004, 05:43 PM

Very good! I was thinking 1st as in felt by a first born (elves) and second as in second born (Men) but it's the same as what you said. You're up!

Mithalwen · 07-03-2004, 02:25 PM

Give me day's grace plese to think up something?

Mithalwen · 07-04-2004, 11:10 AM

Born of gold and silver
Linked morning and evening
Freed from darkness but not shadow
Left love for light
Reunion was eternal separation

PS ... it was definitely Glorfindel's prophecy ..says so in the bit about Eomer in the appendices

Bombadil · 07-04-2004, 12:22 PM

Eärendil?

Mithalwen · 07-05-2004, 12:17 PM

No... but you are moving vaguely in the right direction.....

06-06-2004, 10:28 PM	#41
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Right! Sorry about that! Killed in darkness, reborn in fire, near the power of most desire, I tasted evil, and never feable, and always remained regal. By royalty I am, and to many I'd ram, for my attack goes "wham!" The wham part is a bit out of character, but it fits. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-07-2004, 09:53 PM	#42
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Grond? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

06-08-2004, 05:16 AM	#43
nynnd1 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: england Posts: 64	Is it the Lord of Nazgul __________________ I use my sword, narcatic, to uphold peace. Never for vengance.

06-08-2004, 10:04 AM	#44
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Nope! (It's fun to say that ) __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-08-2004, 12:46 PM	#45
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Gandalf? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-08-2004, 12:46 PM	#46
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Nope! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-09-2004, 01:45 AM	#47
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Sauron? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

06-09-2004, 07:32 AM	#48
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Nope, but abstracty getting closer! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-09-2004, 07:53 AM	#49
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	The answer is Narsil, known as Andúril after it was reforged. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-09-2004, 04:12 PM	#50
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Yes it is clever son! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-09-2004, 05:17 PM	#51
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	This should be fairly easy Premonition made her wary of That which was nonetheless bequeathed On faithful soul who sought in love, The ill-fated, in sorrow wreathed I am not only looking for who 'she' is, but what the riddle is about as a whole. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-13-2004, 08:46 AM	#52
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Since you stated, 'this should be easy', I will go with this answer, as it does fit. Arwen, and the giving up of her immortality. 'The ill-fated' must be Aragorn. That seems far too simple, but... -Durelin

06-13-2004, 09:12 AM	#53
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Good guess, Durelin, but that's not what I'm looking for. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-13-2004, 10:40 AM	#54
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	I have no clue, so I'll do another one of my random guessing. Luthien? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-21-2004, 03:22 PM	#55
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	inspired by perky ents random quess, I'll have one of my own: Turin? __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

06-21-2004, 05:05 PM	#56
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Idril? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-27-2004, 09:21 AM	#57
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Still not what I'm looking for. Hint: The passage refers to three people, all of different race. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-27-2004, 09:25 AM	#58
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	No clue, so Beren - man, Luthien - elf, and Dior -half elf? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

06-27-2004, 10:02 AM	#59
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	No I don't just want who it is, but what the riddle means as a whole. As it happens, the three people you named are all incorrect, but are closely related to the ones whom the riddle concerns. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-27-2004, 11:31 AM	#60
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	I think it is Niniel / Nienor.

06-27-2004, 11:35 AM	#61
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Wrong Has anyone bothered to read what I said? __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-27-2004, 11:50 AM	#62
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Sorry..I mad ethe classic mistake of answering without fully reading the instructions.. 'She' is Melian who is concerned by the malice she senses in Anglachel, the sword made by Eol, which Beleg (elf and faithful soul) chooses when he goes to seek Turin ( man, son of Umarth - ill fate) . Her fears are well grounded because when Beleg finds Turin bound and unconscious, the sword nicks Turin as he cuts the fetters and Turin roused and thinking himself attacked seizes the sword and slays Beleg........

06-27-2004, 12:05 PM	#63
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Brilliant! Spot on, Mithalwen. Your go. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-28-2004, 12:38 PM	#64
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Sorry for the delay... I find setting questions so hard it almost puts me off answering if I think I am right!!!! Hidden helm defied destiny, Sought love found pity, Deserted and followed duty, Fulfilled an ancient prophecy Seeming lost to death Kinsman detected breath Despair and darkness averted When heart was converted. Reasonably full explanation please...

06-28-2004, 12:48 PM	#65
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	The Lady Éowyn 1. Hidden helm defied destiny, 2. Sought love found pity, 3. Deserted and followed duty, 4. Fulfilled an ancient prophecy 5. Seeming lost to death 6. Kinsman detected breath 7. Despair and darkness averted 8. When heart was converted. 1. She took the name "Dernhelm" 2. Sought Aragorn's love, but found only his pity 3. Deserted her post as leader of the women and children in Edoras to fight at the Pelennor Fields 4. Killed the Witch-king, fulfilling Glorfindel's prophecy that no man would ever kill the Lord of the Nazgûl. 5/6/7. Éomer and Théoden both thought she was dead after her encounter with the Witch-king, but she eventually recovered. 8. She fell in love with Faramir in the Houses of Healing. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-28-2004, 01:11 PM	#66
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	wasn't it Malbeth the Seer that said "no man can kill the witch-king"? walking scarecrow? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-29-2004, 11:56 AM	#68
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Oooh that lasted a full 10 minutes before an almost perfect answer....Yes....it is Eowyn who although she deserted her post fulfilled her chosen duty to defend the king. L7 belongs to 8 but the 2 do refer to her falling in love with Faramir. 5 and 6 you have interpreted wrongly - Theoden did not know she was dead and Eomer is not the kinsman I am thinking of - the incident is quite specific.... Anyway do go ahead and set another question

06-29-2004, 02:26 PM	#69
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i'm positive Malbeth said that, Glorfindel probaly reminded the king of Gondor that tried too chase the witch king down after he was purged from Arnor __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-29-2004, 02:59 PM	#70
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	No, he didn't. Glorfindel predicted it. Malbeth predicted Aragorn's passing through the Paths of the Dead. Anyway, on with the riddle. Dark as night Home to hermit __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

06-29-2004, 03:32 PM	#71
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Nan Elmoth? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

06-30-2004, 11:30 AM	#72
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	in Appendix A of LOTR it gives a description of teh encounter between Earnur and the witch king and Glorfindel's words. It gives no sign that he is quoting rather than making the prophecy himself. So I say - for what it is worth- Glorfindel... The kinsman of Eowyn I was referring to in my riddle was imrahil btw.

07-01-2004, 06:46 PM	#73
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Thanks for the clarification, Mithalwen. Bombadil, you've got it. __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

07-01-2004, 09:40 PM	#74
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Cool, hmm let's see... Made by dark hands my curse felt by the 1st felt by the 2nd and by the worm. Doesn't rhyme sorry! But see if you can explain each line in your answer, just to make it more fun. __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-02-2004, 12:23 PM	#75
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Anglachel / Gurthang made by Eol the dark elf (dark hands) from ore taken from a meteor. Melian sensed its malice when it was given to Beleg Cuthalion and warned him it was ill omened (the curse)... The sword took the life of it's first bearer (Beleg) at the hands of it's second (Turin Turambar) who used it to commit suicide. turin used the sword to kill the dragon Glaurung (the worm). glaurung broke under Turin and it's shards were interred with him.

07-02-2004, 05:43 PM	#76
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Very good! I was thinking 1st as in felt by a first born (elves) and second as in second born (Men) but it's the same as what you said. You're up! __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"