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I suppose you can say that it is 'somehow sweet'. Like having seven spoons of sugar in your tea.
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Maybe merely demonstrating a ' mise en abyme" (literal translation not really helpful but a cultural version of the laughing cow cheesebox). Given that some advertisements are made to seem like youtube amateur efforts now it may not be surprising that this has been latched on to. My sister went to the opening ceremony of the Olympic games last year and a few weeks before she got an email from Danny Boyle saying that he would have wished his father to be at the games and inviting attendees to email picture of someone who they wouldmhave liked to have been there. So my late father was one of those shown in the memorial section. And that was touching. But Boyle wasn't selling something in the same way.
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Yes, I do agree that it is pretty abysmal...
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Well the literal meaning is pretty much the Gandalfian cast into an abyss...
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Note that many of these same criticism aren't just about Peter Jackson's work. Below is part of a review of the new Superman movie (emphasis mine):
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The over-emphasis on special effects to give a sense of "being there" is one of the main reasons I have so little time for modern films. I feel that in most cases the CGI and whatnot detracts from story and acting, as it tends to monopolize the viewer's attention, as well eating up screen time.
I think that's the reason my favorite movies tend to be on the older side, as the technology didn't allow for so much flash, and acting had to take the forefront to make a film work well.
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Well, I’ve said this before: people often rail against CGI and special effects in general, but they can be a very good tool if used properly. It’s when the effects become the point of the film that you run into trouble.
Also, even with all the advances of modern computer graphics, there are still some things that are better done as live action– I think studios can be a bit prone to kidding themselves about how realistic some of the work they produce looks.
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Having had anothwr look the rare glimpses of Bilbo which were about the only things I rcognised from the book save the doorstep were relatively appealing. The look on Freeman's face when he breathes clear air and sees butterflies was perfect. But it was a nanosecond in a lot of portentous extraeneous stuff. F they hadn' been so desperate to echo the LOTR films there mighthave been a jolly romp of a Bilbo focussed film there. If the trailer is representative then calling it the Hobbit might contravene trade descriptions.
Why ARE Tauriel's ears so big? Much larger than the male elves... really distracting.
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Happily trailers are not representative as their basic raison d'être is to catch the attention of as many - or the right kind of - people as possible. So all the trailers of action films (which the Hobbit sadly seems to be) are even more packed with action than the real films as they have to convince the wannabe audiences they will get some reaallly hard and fast speed stuff to blow their minds off... they kind of pack the thick of the action scenes into a short music video kind of burst in trailers.
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The movie Life of Pi is a superbly done adaptation of the book of the same name--and it isn't slavishly done. And even more stunning is the fact that the special effects and even the 3D support the story rather than supplanting it.
So modern technology can enhance a narrative. Just not in Jackson's hands apparently. Quote:
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Well, this is what happens when you opt to put a long book story into major feature films. In my opinion, it may have been better if PJ opted to make The Hobbit - even LOTR - into a miniseries. Or perhaps in George R.R. Martin's "Game of Thrones" format on HBO.
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Yes I knowthey are after the young male demographic but isometimes there is nothing that appeals to other audiences. When I lived in Paris where you are allegedly never more than a quarter of a mile from a cinema and it was cheap and i had no telly i went to the cinema ja lot and saw nearly everything goimg if it wasnt quite my glass of miruvor it wasnt a great loss. Now with the price of petrol and parkimg and a twenty five mile roumd trip it has to really appeal. This doesn't. And I have to admit that seeing th fellowship trailer changed my mind about seeing the film. Maybe I am just gettimg old and grouchy
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There are other demographics with cash. The grey pound can be very strong and there have been some very successful films in the past couple of years that have benefitted. Even with the stellar cast I doubt Marigold Hotel cost many Hobbit minutes. Of course though they dont attract the peripheral merchandising tat.
The Hobbit is not a long book and i oo not know to laugh or cry when film apogists iwho defended the omissions of tne Rings (with some justification~ it is the additions I minded more) claim that the Hobbit needed expanded. Yes it isa episodic but it was designed to be. have always thought it would work best as the sort of Sunday teatime classic serial that the BBC used to do when I was a child. Now they seem to think children dont have the attention span to follow a story over several weeks. However it is still how I would wish it done..couple of chapters per shortish episode each ending on a mini cliffhanger.
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For The Silmarillion, on the other hand, a miniseries probably would be the optimal form of adaptation. It would be a fairly unconventional one, though - I imagine several blocks of 6-8 episodes, each telling a single story with largely its own set of characters (Flight of the Noldor, Beren & Luthien, Turin, etc.), with a few standalone episodes for things like the story of Eol and Aredhel. Perhaps a few of those standalone episodes could even be in the style of a historical documentary (e.g. The Great March, The Coming of Men into the West). |
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The thing about CGI for me is that it has little magic because I have seen the making of type programs. Might appreciate the cleverness but not astounded. Now when I saw the LOTR musical and Bilbo disappeared without any blaze of light or plume of smoke..well l might as well have been a bemused Breeland peasant. I hearn an interview with the effects designer and he didn't squeak.
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I put the LOTR musical on a par with the BBC dramatisation (possibly even higher). For slightly different reasons, perhaps, but both magical and breathtaking pieces of art.
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They are hard to compare not least because the musical was one magical and memorable night whereas I have known the Radio series for thirty years (eeeeek) and have heard it many times since, and had the privilege of getting to ask Brian Sibley about it...I think both are great adaptations within the possibilities and limitations of the media.
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I liked the overall look of Mirkwood, Dol Guldur, and what I assume was Thranduil's hall. Also, Lee Pace has some intense eyebrow thing going for him, could give Hugo Weaving a run for his money.
![]() Other than that...meh. Upon seeing Bard I thought "Why is Orlando Bloom playing the part of pirate Will Turner in The Hobbit? But then I read this thread and like Zigur's explanation better.
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I wonder..
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As for the dragon was that meant to be a shadow or is Smaug no longer golden?
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I would bet that there won't be any dialogue between Bilbo and Smaug, but then what would be the point of Cumberbatch?
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That's one of the few spots I cherish some genuine hope for some quality.
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Ah, but what about Smaug the Magnificent with a wondorous patch on his breast?
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Surely they have brought back Legolas to reprise the captain obvious role? We're familiar with "A diversion!" but last time I watched FOTR and noting all the fantastic lines given to Legolas can either be plainly seen taking place or had already been stated by someone else
"He is Aragorn son of Arathorn!" "Have you heard nothing Lord Elrond just said! The Ring must be destroyed!" "Orcs!" "Goblins!" "Crebain!" "The Horn of Gondor!" "Frodo and Sam have left the Eastern shore!" Quote:
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Also, Fili and Kili die in the Battle of Five Armies because Kili is too weak to fight after being scorched a little for staying too close to Smaug while shooting. Which he did, against everybody's wishes (although Thorin forgives him in the end, seeing as true love conquers all), because Tauriel was there and he liked her a tad too much. Also, it was Legolas who taught Bard how to shoot, so technically he can take the credits for killing Smaug as well. Quote:
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The Hobbit. Warning: for colourblind audiences only.
And, whatever colour Tolkien drew/ described him as, he's black in the trailer. Hard to hide even from a colourblind person.
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Bethberry, I'm deeply touched that you remember my fascination with Roggie' s flameproof eyeliner. But I would never have noticed it but for the guidance of Lush the Cold and Fair. I will be curious to see whether whether Smaug and Roggie share makeup artists.
As a child I entertained myself by the hour singing: Puff a dwagon wiv by a sea an frolic inna Au'um miss. There, Tauriel, beat that. Action smaction, let's all just sit in a toasty semicircle around the dragon's nose and sing Peter, Paul and Mary songs. No? Never mind. Too bad they won't let me bring my Mirkwood bow into the theater.
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