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Beren87 · 08-22-2003, 01:11 PM

Nahald, perhaps? As it's mannish for secret, and is also another name for Deagol, who held the ring.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-25-2003, 01:24 PM

Since it's been three days since there was any movement here I'll post the new password and let Saucepan respond to that answer in his own time.

1: Arrested elderly Hobbit
2: Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot
3: Flat, stupid and wet: why go there?
4: Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace
5: Underground king is entrance, we hear
6: Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in!
7: Note area is recipient of gifts
8: Fightin' man, you say?

Turambar · 08-25-2003, 01:32 PM

Woo hoo!

#1 Lobelia ?

#2 Helcaraxe ?

#6 Rammas Echor ?

[ August 25, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-25-2003, 01:51 PM

Sorry for the delay. I've not been on-line over the weekend. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Beren, Nahald was the correct answer to #4. It is the original (as opposed to translated) name for Deagol and, as you say, means 'secret'.

As for the new Password:

#4 - Orodruin. ('O' is a ring, followed by 'rod' another word for a staff and 'ruin' meaning destruction. The whole is a deadly furnace.)

#5 - Durin (which sounds like 'Door-in', an entrance).

Turambar · 08-25-2003, 01:54 PM

Ah!

Then is the Password Theodred ?

Turambar · 08-25-2003, 02:01 PM

#1 Tom Cotton Sr.?

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-25-2003, 02:07 PM

#1 could be Will Whitfoot, though Théodred wouldn't work then...

Turambar · 08-25-2003, 02:22 PM

It appears that composing a Password is sometimes like making Thanksgiving dinner for a family with a lot of kids.

Hours in the making, 20 minutes to devour.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-25-2003, 04:46 PM

Looks like Turambar's right with the Password, which should help to polish off the remainder of the Thanksgiving feast. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

#7 might be Eregion - the note 'E' plus region, meaning 'area', Eregion being where Annatar's gifts were received.

For #8, I'll guess at Duilin, which sounds like duellin', a form of fighting without the 'G'.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-25-2003, 06:34 PM

Here's the current state of play:

1: Arrested elderly Hobbit
2: Helcaraxë - Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot
3: Flat, stupid and wet: why go there?
4: Orodruin - Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace
5: Durin - Underground king is entrance, we hear
6: Rammas Echor - Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in!
7: Eregion - Note area is recipient of gifts
8: Duilin - Fightin' man, you say?

Turambar has the password, which is indeed Théodred.

Turambar · 08-25-2003, 07:31 PM

#1 Tobold ? (Though I don't see arrested in there.)

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-26-2003, 03:09 AM

Neither do I, Turambar. I'm afraid that's not the answer.

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 06:05 AM

The Old Took ? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-26-2003, 06:59 AM

#3 must be Evendim (even = flat; dim = stupid; and being a lake it is clearly wet.).

No idea about #1 - I'll leave that one to you, Turambar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-26-2003, 07:38 AM

Turambar: I was only looking for 'Took', but you're close enough.

Saucepan Man: Spot on. 'Evendim' it is.

The remains of that repast, therefore, look like this:

1: Took - Arrested elderly Hobbit
2: Helcaraxë - Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot
3: Evendim - Flat, stupid and wet: why go there?
4: Orodruin - Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace
5: Durin - Underground king is entrance, we hear
6: Rammas Echor - Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in!
7: Eregion - Note area is recipient of gifts
8: Duilin - Fightin' man, you say?

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 07:48 AM

Then it's time for FOOTBALL !!

It'll take me a day or two at least to prepare the next one. If anyone (including any potential new players) can post one in the meantime, please feel free.

Good one, Squatter.

[ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Rimbaud · 08-26-2003, 09:28 AM

As invited, here is a very quick one. I trust this will take not too much longer than its swift genesis.

1 Becomes voluble after essential potable.
2 Very aware, to note self.
3 Hark! Sounds like a nonuple wizard.
4 The purist's bureaucracy?
5 Better to have a happy ending, golfer removes tee and drives into small woods.

EDIT: Last clue altered slightly, 27/08.

[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Rimbaud ]

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 09:36 AM

#1 Loudwater ?

[ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Rimbaud · 08-26-2003, 09:40 AM

Yes sir!

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 09:42 AM

#3 Nindalf?

Rimbaud · 08-26-2003, 09:43 AM

And again, correct.

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 09:47 AM

I'll have to

about the other three.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-26-2003, 10:01 AM

Time to break this trend of correct answering, methinks:

#4 Red Book (as opposed to red boxes and red tape)

Rimbaud · 08-26-2003, 10:10 AM

I fear not, good, sir. Not pure enough, by half.

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 10:32 AM

Apparently the wind was northerly.

White Council ? If so, would the Password be Lenwë ?

[ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Rimbaud · 08-27-2003, 03:30 AM

Yes, and yes!

Well played, sir.

Turambar · 08-27-2003, 04:59 AM

The original deserter.

We still have #2 and #4 to go.

Turambar · 08-27-2003, 05:01 PM

I'm stuck. I keep coming back to Tiger Woods for #4 because he has a "T" - and woods, for that matter - in his name, but I can't make anything of "IGER". Does a "happy ending" mean a "Y", or something else?

And #2 is Greek to me.

Anyone else have some ideas?

[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-27-2003, 05:17 PM

Nope, I'm stumped too. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Like you, Turambar, I was thinking along the lines of Tiger Woods for #5, largely because I know very few golfers.

For #2, I was wondering whether "self" might refer to "ego", but my wondering hasn't got me very far.

A hint or two maybe, Rimbaud?

Rimbaud · 08-28-2003, 02:38 AM

My apologies, it seems the clues were poorly constructed - I can blame only myself and the hastiness of the creation.

For #2 - you would have to be very aware to see that 'note self' is an anagram of Elfstone.

The fifth is just an out-and-out bad clue, I'd say on reflection.

If you remove a 't' to find a happy ending, you would have started perhaps with Entings, likened to small woods. Golfing was a red herring. Bad clue, mea culpa, let's see Turambar's latest.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-28-2003, 04:47 AM

I shouldn't be too hard on myself if I were you, Rimbaud; it takes me ages to think up mine. Most of us have been practicing on the Cryptic Clues thread for a while now, so perhaps you'd like to join us.

Turambar · 08-28-2003, 06:52 AM

It's good to see that the game is going well now. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Try this one:

(1) Forlong the Fat (Protractedly thick, before being cut down in the field.)
(2) Eru (Singular composer.)
(3) Anar (Fiery offspring of Yavanna and Nienna.)
(4) Where the first long drive occurred?
(5) The Ring-bearer stepped into his shoes.
(6) Roheryn (Don't look this in the mouth.)

[ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-28-2003, 04:17 PM

OK, these are a bit speculative, but I'll give them a go.

Is #2 Iluvatar or Eru - he is referred to as "the One" and he initiated the Music of the Ainur?

And I'll guess at Shadowfax for #6 - a gift horse. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Kaiserin · 08-29-2003, 12:58 AM

# 3: The Two Trees? Yavanna sang them into being, while Nienna watered the ground with her tears.

Turambar · 08-29-2003, 06:14 AM

Eru is correct; the other two guesses are wrong, though both are definitely on the right track; I guess each of those had two possible answers. Oops. I composed this one very quickly.

[ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Mariska Greenleaf · 08-29-2003, 06:43 AM

#3# the Sun?

Turambar · 08-29-2003, 06:46 AM

So close - a little more Elvish please . . .

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-29-2003, 07:17 AM

Well, in that case, then:

1: Forlong the Fat
3: Anor
4: North-South Road
6: Roheryn

and the password is Fëanor.

[ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

Turambar · 08-29-2003, 07:20 AM

1, 3 (Anar, actually) and 6 are correct, but the password is not Fëanor.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-29-2003, 07:51 AM

Is #5 Underhill, as in Frodo's alias?

No idea what the Password can be if it's not Feanor. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

08-25-2003, 01:24 PM	#42
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Since it's been three days since there was any movement here I'll post the new password and let Saucepan respond to that answer in his own time. 1: Arrested elderly Hobbit 2: Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot 3: Flat, stupid and wet: why go there? 4: Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace 5: Underground king is entrance, we hear 6: Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in! 7: Note area is recipient of gifts 8: Fightin' man, you say? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-25-2003, 01:32 PM	#43
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Woo hoo! #1 Lobelia ? #2 Helcaraxe ? #6 Rammas Echor ? [ August 25, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-25-2003, 01:51 PM	#44
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Sorry for the delay. I've not been on-line over the weekend. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Beren, Nahald was the correct answer to #4. It is the original (as opposed to translated) name for Deagol and, as you say, means 'secret'. As for the new Password: #4 - Orodruin. ('O' is a ring, followed by 'rod' another word for a staff and 'ruin' meaning destruction. The whole is a deadly furnace.) #5 - Durin (which sounds like 'Door-in', an entrance). __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-25-2003, 01:54 PM	#45
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Ah! Then is the Password Theodred ? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-25-2003, 02:01 PM	#46
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	#1 Tom Cotton Sr.? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-22-2003, 01:11 PM	#41
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Nahald, perhaps? As it's mannish for secret, and is also another name for Deagol, who held the ring.

08-25-2003, 02:07 PM	#47
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	#1 could be Will Whitfoot, though Théodred wouldn't work then... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-25-2003, 02:22 PM	#48
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	It appears that composing a Password is sometimes like making Thanksgiving dinner for a family with a lot of kids. Hours in the making, 20 minutes to devour. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-25-2003, 04:46 PM	#49
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Looks like Turambar's right with the Password, which should help to polish off the remainder of the Thanksgiving feast. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] #7 might be Eregion - the note 'E' plus region, meaning 'area', Eregion being where Annatar's gifts were received. For #8, I'll guess at Duilin, which sounds like duellin', a form of fighting without the 'G'. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-25-2003, 06:34 PM	#50
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Here's the current state of play: 1: Arrested elderly Hobbit 2: Helcaraxë - Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot 3: Flat, stupid and wet: why go there? 4: Orodruin - Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace 5: Durin - Underground king is entrance, we hear 6: Rammas Echor - Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in! 7: Eregion - Note area is recipient of gifts 8: Duilin - Fightin' man, you say? Turambar has the password, which is indeed Théodred. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-25-2003, 07:31 PM	#51
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	#1 Tobold ? (Though I don't see arrested in there.) __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 03:09 AM	#52
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Neither do I, Turambar. I'm afraid that's not the answer. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-26-2003, 06:05 AM	#53
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The Old Took ? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 06:59 AM	#54
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	#3 must be Evendim (even = flat; dim = stupid; and being a lake it is clearly wet.). No idea about #1 - I'll leave that one to you, Turambar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-26-2003, 07:38 AM	#55
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Turambar: I was only looking for 'Took', but you're close enough. Saucepan Man: Spot on. 'Evendim' it is. The remains of that repast, therefore, look like this: 1: Took - Arrested elderly Hobbit 2: Helcaraxë - Dark goddess pursued by motor and chopper to a chilly spot 3: Evendim - Flat, stupid and wet: why go there? 4: Orodruin - Ring and staff lead to destruction in deadly furnace 5: Durin - Underground king is entrance, we hear 6: Rammas Echor - Fellow among sheep tends to repeat, right? This will fence them in! 7: Eregion - Note area is recipient of gifts 8: Duilin - Fightin' man, you say? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-26-2003, 07:48 AM	#56
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Then it's time for FOOTBALL !! It'll take me a day or two at least to prepare the next one. If anyone (including any potential new players) can post one in the meantime, please feel free. Good one, Squatter. [ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 09:28 AM	#57
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	As invited, here is a very quick one. I trust this will take not too much longer than its swift genesis. 1 Becomes voluble after essential potable. 2 Very aware, to note self. 3 Hark! Sounds like a nonuple wizard. 4 The purist's bureaucracy? 5 Better to have a happy ending, golfer removes tee and drives into small woods. EDIT: Last clue altered slightly, 27/08. [ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Rimbaud ] __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-26-2003, 09:36 AM	#58
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	#1 Loudwater ? [ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 09:40 AM	#59
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Yes sir! __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-26-2003, 09:42 AM	#60
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	#3 Nindalf? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 09:43 AM	#61
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	And again, correct. __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-26-2003, 09:47 AM	#62
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I'll have to about the other three. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-26-2003, 10:01 AM	#63
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Time to break this trend of correct answering, methinks: #4 Red Book (as opposed to red boxes and red tape) __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-26-2003, 10:10 AM	#64
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	I fear not, good, sir. Not pure enough, by half. __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-26-2003, 10:32 AM	#65
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Apparently the wind was northerly. White Council ? If so, would the Password be Lenwë ? [ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-27-2003, 03:30 AM	#66
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Yes, and yes! Well played, sir. __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-27-2003, 04:59 AM	#67
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The original deserter. We still have #2 and #4 to go. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-27-2003, 05:01 PM	#68
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I'm stuck. I keep coming back to Tiger Woods for #4 because he has a "T" - and woods, for that matter - in his name, but I can't make anything of "IGER". Does a "happy ending" mean a "Y", or something else? And #2 is Greek to me. Anyone else have some ideas? [ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-27-2003, 05:17 PM	#69
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nope, I'm stumped too. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Like you, Turambar, I was thinking along the lines of Tiger Woods for #5, largely because I know very few golfers. For #2, I was wondering whether "self" might refer to "ego", but my wondering hasn't got me very far. A hint or two maybe, Rimbaud? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-28-2003, 02:38 AM	#70
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	My apologies, it seems the clues were poorly constructed - I can blame only myself and the hastiness of the creation. For #2 - you would have to be very aware to see that 'note self' is an anagram of Elfstone. The fifth is just an out-and-out bad clue, I'd say on reflection. If you remove a 't' to find a happy ending, you would have started perhaps with Entings, likened to small woods. Golfing was a red herring. Bad clue, mea culpa, let's see Turambar's latest. __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-28-2003, 04:47 AM	#71
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	I shouldn't be too hard on myself if I were you, Rimbaud; it takes me ages to think up mine. Most of us have been practicing on the Cryptic Clues thread for a while now, so perhaps you'd like to join us. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-28-2003, 06:52 AM	#72
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	It's good to see that the game is going well now. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Try this one: (1) Forlong the Fat (Protractedly thick, before being cut down in the field.) (2) Eru (Singular composer.) (3) Anar (Fiery offspring of Yavanna and Nienna.) (4) Where the first long drive occurred? (5) The Ring-bearer stepped into his shoes. (6) Roheryn (Don't look this in the mouth.) [ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-28-2003, 04:17 PM	#73
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, these are a bit speculative, but I'll give them a go. Is #2 Iluvatar or Eru - he is referred to as "the One" and he initiated the Music of the Ainur? And I'll guess at Shadowfax for #6 - a gift horse. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-29-2003, 12:58 AM	#74
Kaiserin Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cair Paravel Posts: 150	# 3: The Two Trees? Yavanna sang them into being, while Nienna watered the ground with her tears. __________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

08-29-2003, 06:14 AM	#75
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Eru is correct; the other two guesses are wrong, though both are definitely on the right track; I guess each of those had two possible answers. Oops. I composed this one very quickly. [ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.