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HerenIstarion · 06-24-2001, 06:36 AM

Do not drink of it! It is icy cold

GandaIf The White · 06-24-2001, 07:12 PM

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Re: LOTR quotes

Isn't that Sam? Talking about the stream in Mordor? I either have good memory, or am way off.

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

The Watcher in the Water · 06-24-2001, 08:33 PM

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Is it Gimli talking about the stream from Mirrowmere?

The road goes ever on...</p>

HerenIstarion · 06-28-2001, 06:06 AM

Heh, Watcher, you know your neighbouring areas pretty well

Go ahead

The Watcher in the Water · 07-03-2001, 07:59 PM

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Sorry... lost track of this one...

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Where's Thorin? <hr></blockquote>

The road goes ever on...</p>

HerenIstarion · 07-03-2001, 09:57 PM

Dwalin in Mirkwood

The Watcher in the Water · 07-05-2001, 11:02 PM

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Yes I believe it was...

The road goes ever on...</p>

HerenIstarion · 07-07-2001, 01:37 AM

Back to LOTR quotes

Quote:

These doors have no key

Telchar · 07-09-2001, 03:12 AM

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Gandalf?

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

HerenIstarion · 07-10-2001, 08:18 AM

Well, yes, but I'll be glad to receive just a bit more precise answer. So Gandalf, but where?

Theodred21 · 07-10-2001, 08:44 AM

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Gandalf in Moria?

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

HerenIstarion · 07-16-2001, 04:04 AM

Almost there

Theodred21 · 07-16-2001, 06:34 AM

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Gandalf at the gates of Moria?

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

HerenIstarion · 07-22-2001, 10:40 PM

Yes, now precise, ask on, Theodred

Theodred21 · 08-10-2001, 12:28 PM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Hullo Sam!<hr></blockquote>

Not much to work on, but I bet someone here know's this...

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HerenIstarion · 08-11-2001, 03:23 AM

Rosie Cotton?

Theodred21 · 08-11-2001, 07:20 AM

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Re: LOTR quotes

You did it again! Correct H-I!

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HerenIstarion · 08-11-2001, 12:13 PM

What did I tell you? Something’s happening!

Lostgaeriel · 12-09-2001, 02:22 AM

Sam said "What did I tell you? Something's happening!" to Frodo when they gazed westward and saw and heard the cry of one of the Nazgûl flying back towards the Dark Tower announcing the fall of the Lord of the Ringwraiths. (Of course they didn't know what had happened, but Sam knew from Gorbag & Shagrat's argument that the war wasn't going well for Sauron.)

HerenIstarion · 12-09-2001, 10:03 AM

exactly! go ahead Lostgaeriel

Lostgaeriel · 12-10-2001, 04:48 PM

Great! (*flipping pages desparately*) [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] Finding a quote to ask is harder than answering sometimes.

Quote:

To sheep other sheep no doubt appear different. Or to shepherds.

Turambar · 12-10-2001, 08:17 PM

Lindir in the Hall of Fire in Rivendell, mocking Bilbo.

Lostgaeriel · 12-11-2001, 12:24 AM

You nailed it, Turambar! (I knew I should have spent more time looking for a tricky quote.)

Turambar · 12-11-2001, 10:02 AM

Quote:

That is the business of Wizards: Wizards are always troubled about the future.

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 12-11-2001, 02:11 PM

Treebeard to Pippin and Merry.

Turambar · 12-11-2001, 02:37 PM

Yep, you got it Maril. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 12-16-2001, 09:38 PM

Quote:

The king shall come again.

Said by whom, about whom, and when?

Lostgaeriel · 12-19-2001, 03:29 AM

Oooh...that was tricky. I thought at first it was about Aragorn, but then I remembered Théoden. Aragorn said this to Éowyn about Théoden to reassure her as they prepared to go to Isengard. (Though they had to make a stand in Helm's Deep first.) (And of course, Éowyn wasn't really as concerned about Théoden not returning as she was about Aragorn. Poor girl - the guy just had too much charisma. SIGH)

[ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 12-20-2001, 04:51 AM

Here we are still in Rohan, ha!

Tssssss. Well I must say I'm impressed, I thought for sure this one would have a few wrong guesses first. Your turn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lostgaeriel · 12-22-2001, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Yet there was naught in this to praise. I had no lure or desire to do other than I have done.

Turambar · 12-23-2001, 08:27 AM

Courtly Faramir, explaining how he "passed the test".

Lostgaeriel · 12-29-2001, 04:36 PM

Exactly, Turambar! You're it!

Turambar · 12-31-2001, 09:45 AM

Quote:

The passing seasons are but ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last.

HerenIstarion · 01-01-2002, 05:35 AM

Legolas to Frodo in the boat floating down the Great River

Lostgaeriel · 01-03-2002, 08:51 PM

Well, they weren't actually "floating down the Great River" at the time. They were in the boats, but the boats were moored in a shallow bay for the night so they could portage around the rapids the next day. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 01-04-2002, 04:29 AM

well, may I consider it as an invitation to preceed with it?

Lostgaeriel · 01-04-2002, 09:40 PM

If it were up to me, Heren Istarion, I'd say go ahead. I don't think Turambar would mind if you didn't wait for his OK.

Turambar · 01-06-2002, 08:08 AM

Sorry - yes, go ahead Heren Istarion.

HerenIstarion · 01-06-2002, 12:34 PM

k

Quote:

Well, well, he is gone. We have no time to seek for him again

Manwe · 01-08-2002, 05:18 AM

I'm not at all sure on this one, but I think that it's Gandalf talking about Smeagol when it's known that he escaped from the elves.

06-24-2001, 06:36 AM	#41
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Do not drink of it! It is icy cold __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:19 AM. Reason: sweeping party

06-28-2001, 06:06 AM	#44
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Heh, Watcher, you know your neighbouring areas pretty well Go ahead __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:18 AM. Reason: sweeping party

07-03-2001, 09:57 PM	#46
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Dwalin in Mirkwood __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:18 AM. Reason: sweeping party

07-09-2001, 03:12 AM	#49
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 617</TD><TD><img src=http://www.hbgk.dk/terning.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Gandalf? Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

07-10-2001, 08:18 AM	#50
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Well, yes, but I'll be glad to receive just a bit more precise answer. So Gandalf, but where? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:17 AM. Reason: sweeping party

06-24-2001, 07:12 PM	#42
GandaIf The White Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 267	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 250</TD><TD><img src=http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/HdR/crewmckel.JPG WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: LOTR quotes Isn't that Sam? Talking about the stream in Mordor? I either have good memory, or am way off. "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

06-24-2001, 08:33 PM	#43
The Watcher in the Water Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 159	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 55</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Is it Gimli talking about the stream from Mirrowmere? The road goes ever on...</p>

07-03-2001, 07:59 PM	#45
The Watcher in the Water Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 159	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 88</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Sorry... lost track of this one... <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> Where's Thorin? <hr></blockquote> The road goes ever on...</p>

07-05-2001, 11:02 PM	#47
The Watcher in the Water Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 159	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 95</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Yes I believe it was... The road goes ever on...</p>

07-10-2001, 08:44 AM	#51
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 185</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Gandalf in Moria? ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

07-16-2001, 04:04 AM	#52
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Almost there __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:17 AM. Reason: sweeping party

07-16-2001, 06:34 AM	#53
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 501</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes Gandalf at the gates of Moria? ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

07-22-2001, 10:40 PM	#54
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Yes, now precise, ask on, Theodred __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:16 AM. Reason: sweeping party

08-10-2001, 12:28 PM	#55
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Phantom Rider Posts: 1143</TD><TD><img src=http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Graphics/Buttons/flamme1.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: LOTR quotes <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Hullo Sam!<hr></blockquote> Not much to work on, but I bet someone here know's this... <marquee>http://pub39.ezboard.com/brohan73264Rohan!</a>~http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgiThe Barrow-Downs!</a>~http://pub75.ezboard.com/barda61763The Tolkien Discussion Board!</a>~http://pub89.ezboard.com/btolkienrealmTolkien Realm!</a>~Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising, he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. Hope he rekindled, and in hope ended; over death, over dread, over doom lifted out of loss, out of life, unto long glory! </marquee></p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider*

08-11-2001, 03:23 AM	#56
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Rosie Cotton? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:16 AM. Reason: sweeping party

08-11-2001, 07:20 AM	#57
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Phantom Rider Posts: 1147</TD><TD><img src=http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Graphics/Buttons/flamme1.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: LOTR quotes You did it again! Correct H-I! <marquee>http://pub39.ezboard.com/brohan73264Rohan!</a>~http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgiThe Barrow-Downs!</a>~http://pub75.ezboard.com/barda61763The Tolkien Discussion Board!</a>~http://pub89.ezboard.com/btolkienrealmTolkien Realm!</a>~Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising, he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. Hope he rekindled, and in hope ended; over death, over dread, over doom lifted out of loss, out of life, unto long glory! </marquee></p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

08-11-2001, 12:13 PM	#58
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	What did I tell you? Something’s happening! __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 12-01-2005 at 01:16 AM. Reason: sweeping party

12-09-2001, 02:22 AM	#59
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Sam said "What did I tell you? Something's happening!" to Frodo when they gazed westward and saw and heard the cry of one of the Nazgûl flying back towards the Dark Tower announcing the fall of the Lord of the Ringwraiths. (Of course they didn't know what had happened, but Sam knew from Gorbag & Shagrat's argument that the war wasn't going well for Sauron.) __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

12-09-2001, 10:03 AM	#60
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	exactly! go ahead Lostgaeriel __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

12-10-2001, 08:17 PM	#62
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Lindir in the Hall of Fire in Rivendell, mocking Bilbo. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

12-11-2001, 12:24 AM	#63
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	You nailed it, Turambar! (I knew I should have spent more time looking for a tricky quote.) __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

12-11-2001, 02:11 PM	#65
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Treebeard to Pippin and Merry. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

12-11-2001, 02:37 PM	#66
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Yep, you got it Maril. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

12-19-2001, 03:29 AM	#68
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Oooh...that was tricky. I thought at first it was about Aragorn, but then I remembered Théoden. Aragorn said this to Éowyn about Théoden to reassure her as they prepared to go to Isengard. (Though they had to make a stand in Helm's Deep first.) (And of course, Éowyn wasn't really as concerned about Théoden not returning as she was about Aragorn. Poor girl - the guy just had too much charisma. SIGH) [ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ] __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

12-20-2001, 04:51 AM	#69
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Here we are still in Rohan, ha! Tssssss. Well I must say I'm impressed, I thought for sure this one would have a few wrong guesses first. Your turn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

12-23-2001, 08:27 AM	#71
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Courtly Faramir, explaining how he "passed the test". __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

12-29-2001, 04:36 PM	#72
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Exactly, Turambar! You're it! __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

01-01-2002, 05:35 AM	#74
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Legolas to Frodo in the boat floating down the Great River __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

01-03-2002, 08:51 PM	#75
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Well, they weren't actually "floating down the Great River" at the time. They were in the boats, but the boats were moored in a shallow bay for the night so they could portage around the rapids the next day. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

01-04-2002, 04:29 AM	#76
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	well, may I consider it as an invitation to preceed with it? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

01-04-2002, 09:40 PM	#77
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	If it were up to me, Heren Istarion, I'd say go ahead. I don't think Turambar would mind if you didn't wait for his OK. __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

01-06-2002, 08:08 AM	#78
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Sorry - yes, go ahead Heren Istarion. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

01-08-2002, 05:18 AM	#80
Manwe Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ilmarin, Taniquetil Posts: 98	I'm not at all sure on this one, but I think that it's Gandalf talking about Smeagol when it's known that he escaped from the elves. __________________ by the way my name is Manwë, not Manwe