Proverbs, Adages, Aphorisms, Saws, Wise Sayings & Clichés - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

alaklondewen · 01-26-2003, 07:36 AM

I think this is a good thread to bring back. We have nothing like it going now.

I'll start!

Quote:

A hunted man sometimes wearies of distrust and longs for friendship.

Russandol · 01-26-2003, 01:59 PM

Yes I agree Alaklondewen. This one was Aragorn speaking to the four Hobbits in the Prancing Pony after they had read Gandalf's letter.

alaklondewen · 01-26-2003, 06:30 PM

Right you are! Please proceed.

alaklondewen · 01-29-2003, 10:01 AM

Russandol? Just a reminder. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Russandol · 01-30-2003, 11:08 AM

Phew, it's only been three days! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Things move on apace in Quotable Quotes methinks.

Anyway my offering is this.

Quote:

Oft hope is born, when all is forlorn.

Guinevere · 03-01-2003, 02:48 PM

This was said by Legolas to Gimli when they were rowing (sailing) up the Anduin to the battle of the Pellennor fields.

By the way, I have a question to you people from English speaking countries: Did Tolkien make up all these proverbs in his books? Or are some of them real existing proverbs in English?? Just wondering...

Guinevere · 03-12-2003, 01:49 PM

Will no one confirm my answer? Russandol obviously isn't around.... So am I allowed to proceed? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Rochelle · 03-12-2003, 02:47 PM

I say go ahead!

Lalaith · 03-12-2003, 03:40 PM

In answer to Guinevere's question, nearly all of Tolkien's proverbs are made up by him although they sound very authentic, don't they?
The only 'genuine' English saying quoted here is 'handsome is as handsome does.'

(Tolkien's proverbs are delightful but real English proverbs too, IMO. My favourite is 'Fair words butter no parsnips.')

Guinevere · 03-13-2003, 03:34 AM

Thank you, Rochelle and Lalaith!

Here is another proverb then, that sounds very "authentic", too!

Quote:

"Faithful heart may have forward tongue."

Lostgaeriel · 03-15-2003, 08:04 PM

That is Théoden to Gandalf about Éomer. The King of the Golden Hall

Quote:

'I owe much to Éomer,' said Théoden. 'Faithful heart may have forward tongue.'

Guinevere · 03-16-2003, 01:44 PM

Well done, Lostgaeriel! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Your turn!

Lostgaeriel · 03-16-2003, 10:21 PM

Quote:

He thinks less than he talks, and slower; yet he can see through a brick wall in time

alaklondewen · 03-16-2003, 11:41 PM

"(as they say in Bree)", I believe that is the rest of the sentence by Gandalf to Frodo in the Last Homely House. They are speaking of Old Barliman of course.

Lostgaeriel · 03-17-2003, 08:27 PM

You think pretty fast, alaklondewen. Your turn.

alaklondewen · 03-17-2003, 08:49 PM

Thank you, Lostgaeriel.

Quote:

Make it short, and then you won't have to cut it short before you can use it.

I think that's something we can all live by. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lostgaeriel · 03-17-2003, 09:14 PM

Oh, that's Samwise to Frodo discussing girl's names for his firstborn. He's quoting the Gaffer.

Quote:

'I suppose you're right, Mr. Frodo,' said Sam. 'I've heard some beautiful names on my travels, but I suppose they're a bit too grand for daily wear and tear, as you might say. The Gaffer, he says: "Make it short, and then you won't have to cut it short before you can use it." But if it's to be a flower-name, then I don't trouble about the length: it must be a beautiful flower, because, you see, I think she is very beautiful, and is going to be beautifuller still.'

Nice gardening image re: cutting flowers.

alaklondewen · 03-17-2003, 10:25 PM

You're right. That Gaffer is a fountain of knowledge. Take it away, Lostgaeriel.

Lostgaeriel · 03-18-2003, 07:52 PM

Two clichés for the price of one:

Quote:

... but he is slier than a fox, and slippery as a fish.

alaklondewen · 03-18-2003, 09:02 PM

Is this Aragorn at the Council of Elrond describing Gollum?

Rochelle · 03-18-2003, 09:16 PM

Is it Sam referring to Gollum?

Lostgaeriel · 03-18-2003, 09:59 PM

Ooh! alaklondewen!

Quote:

Is this Aragorn at the Council of Elrond describing Gollum?

Sometimes less is more. You've got the speaker and the subject matter - just the location is wrong. Just jump ahead about 4 months. Do you know the context now?

I'll give it to you anyway. Your turn.

alaklondewen · 03-21-2003, 10:18 AM

Yes, of course, on the shores of the Anduin after Frodo heard Gollum hiss. Thank you for letting me have it anyway.

Now for the next...

Quote:

...a lie with a grain of truth.

Eressië Ailin · 03-21-2003, 11:57 AM

This is really familiar... I know Gandalf said it... At the Council of Elrond, maybe? about Gollum? I don't have my book to check...

alaklondewen · 03-21-2003, 12:56 PM

Gandalf did say it about Gollum, but not at the Council. He said it in Bag End in The Shadow of the Past, but since you had the right idea...It's your turn.

Eressië Ailin · 03-22-2003, 03:44 PM

Thank you!

Quote:

Many a doer of great deeds might say no more.

[ March 22, 2003: Message edited by: Eressië Ailin ]

Guinevere · 03-24-2003, 07:06 AM

This is in RotK, when Gandalf and Pippin ride to Minas Tirith. As they arrive at the North gate of the Rammas Echor they are talking to some men of Gondor.

"Man!" cried Pippin "I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity."
"Many a doer of dreat deeds might say no more," said Ingold "But what is a hobbit?"

Eressië Ailin · 03-24-2003, 08:18 AM

Correct! Your turn, Guinevere.

Guinevere · 03-24-2003, 09:18 AM

Thank you! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Quote:

The hasty stroke goes oft astray.

(Another one that sounds like a genuine proverb to me... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

Eressië Ailin · 03-24-2003, 04:09 PM

Once again, I do not have my book, but I would have to say Legolas to Èomer in TTT.

Guinevere · 03-25-2003, 07:19 AM

Sorry, Eressië, wrong guess! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
Does anyone know?

alaklondewen · 03-25-2003, 10:00 AM

I think this sounds like Gandalf speaking about Sauron's first motion toward war, and the fact that he was setting his troops in motion earlier than he originally meant. Now, I don't remember whether he said this to Denethor, Faramir, or Pippin, but it was after he and Pippin arrived in Minas Tirith. Again, this is all off the top of my head.

Guinevere · 03-26-2003, 02:37 AM

It wasn't Gandalf either.
Though you are right that it is about Sauron striking too early.

alaklondewen · 03-26-2003, 08:20 AM

Yes, of course...I forgot about Aragorn. Did he say it after looking in the Palantir? To Legolas and Gimli, maybe?

Guinevere · 03-26-2003, 03:53 PM

Exactly ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Your turn, Alaklondewen.

alaklondewen · 03-28-2003, 10:01 AM

Thank you!

Quote:

For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time.

Narduewen · 03-28-2003, 11:01 PM

From Aragorn to the Riders of Rohan after one remarked "Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?" That is one of my favorite quotes.

alaklondewen · 03-29-2003, 09:13 AM

Well Done, and Welcome to the Downs! I believe the board is yours. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Narduewen · 03-30-2003, 02:38 PM

Okay heres one I found

"Where will wants not, a way opens."

Guinevere · 03-30-2003, 03:48 PM

This was said by Dernhelm (=Eowyn) to Merry in "The muster of Rohan" when she offered to take him on her horse.

01-26-2003, 06:30 PM	#43
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Right you are! Please proceed. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

01-29-2003, 10:01 AM	#44
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Russandol? Just a reminder. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-01-2003, 02:48 PM	#46
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	This was said by Legolas to Gimli when they were rowing (sailing) up the Anduin to the battle of the Pellennor fields. By the way, I have a question to you people from English speaking countries: Did Tolkien make up all these proverbs in his books? Or are some of them real existing proverbs in English?? Just wondering... __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-12-2003, 01:49 PM	#47
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Will no one confirm my answer? Russandol obviously isn't around.... So am I allowed to proceed? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-12-2003, 02:47 PM	#48
Rochelle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Bonfire Glade RtR 80 miles Posts: 376	I say go ahead! __________________ Ad Astra Per Aspera (A rough road leads to the stars) "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens"

01-26-2003, 01:59 PM	#42
Russandol Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A sock-drawer in Mandos Posts: 156	Yes I agree Alaklondewen. This one was Aragorn speaking to the four Hobbits in the Prancing Pony after they had read Gandalf's letter.

03-12-2003, 03:40 PM	#49
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	In answer to Guinevere's question, nearly all of Tolkien's proverbs are made up by him although they sound very authentic, don't they? The only 'genuine' English saying quoted here is 'handsome is as handsome does.' (Tolkien's proverbs are delightful but real English proverbs too, IMO. My favourite is 'Fair words butter no parsnips.') __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-16-2003, 01:44 PM	#52
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Well done, Lostgaeriel! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Your turn! __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-16-2003, 11:41 PM	#54
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	"(as they say in Bree)", I believe that is the rest of the sentence by Gandalf to Frodo in the Last Homely House. They are speaking of Old Barliman of course. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-17-2003, 08:27 PM	#55
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	You think pretty fast, alaklondewen. Your turn. __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

03-17-2003, 10:25 PM	#58
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	You're right. That Gaffer is a fountain of knowledge. Take it away, Lostgaeriel. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-18-2003, 09:02 PM	#60
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Is this Aragorn at the Council of Elrond describing Gollum? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-18-2003, 09:16 PM	#61
Rochelle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Bonfire Glade RtR 80 miles Posts: 376	Is it Sam referring to Gollum? __________________ Ad Astra Per Aspera (A rough road leads to the stars) "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens"

03-21-2003, 11:57 AM	#64
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	This is really familiar... I know Gandalf said it... At the Council of Elrond, maybe? about Gollum? I don't have my book to check... __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

03-21-2003, 12:56 PM	#65
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Gandalf did say it about Gollum, but not at the Council. He said it in Bag End in The Shadow of the Past, but since you had the right idea...It's your turn. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-24-2003, 07:06 AM	#67
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	This is in RotK, when Gandalf and Pippin ride to Minas Tirith. As they arrive at the North gate of the Rammas Echor they are talking to some men of Gondor. "Man!" cried Pippin "I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity." "Many a doer of dreat deeds might say no more," said Ingold "But what is a hobbit?" __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-24-2003, 08:18 AM	#68
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	Correct! Your turn, Guinevere. __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

03-24-2003, 04:09 PM	#70
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	Once again, I do not have my book, but I would have to say Legolas to Èomer in TTT. __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

03-25-2003, 07:19 AM	#71
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Sorry, Eressië, wrong guess! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Does anyone know? __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-25-2003, 10:00 AM	#72
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	I think this sounds like Gandalf speaking about Sauron's first motion toward war, and the fact that he was setting his troops in motion earlier than he originally meant. Now, I don't remember whether he said this to Denethor, Faramir, or Pippin, but it was after he and Pippin arrived in Minas Tirith. Again, this is all off the top of my head. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-26-2003, 02:37 AM	#73
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	It wasn't Gandalf either. Though you are right that it is about Sauron striking too early. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-26-2003, 08:20 AM	#74
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Yes, of course...I forgot about Aragorn. Did he say it after looking in the Palantir? To Legolas and Gimli, maybe? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-26-2003, 03:53 PM	#75
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Exactly ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Your turn, Alaklondewen. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

03-28-2003, 11:01 PM	#77
Narduewen Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 4th Dimension Posts: 145	From Aragorn to the Riders of Rohan after one remarked "Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?" That is one of my favorite quotes. __________________ "To be self-contented is to be vile and ignorant, and that to aspire is better than to be blindly and impotently happy" -A Sphere

03-29-2003, 09:13 AM	#78
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Well Done, and Welcome to the Downs! I believe the board is yours. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-30-2003, 02:38 PM	#79
Narduewen Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 4th Dimension Posts: 145	Okay heres one I found "Where will wants not, a way opens." __________________ "To be self-contented is to be vile and ignorant, and that to aspire is better than to be blindly and impotently happy" -A Sphere

03-30-2003, 03:48 PM	#80
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	This was said by Dernhelm (=Eowyn) to Merry in "The muster of Rohan" when she offered to take him on her horse. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!