Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Folwren]

Well, I really didn't see that one coming. That is ... sad...

I don't have time to go back and look at Mira's posts, but I'll see. I agree that Nerwen is probably good, but I've thought that all along.

Back to class I go.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't even know what to think about that. Ugggh. I love me some Mira, but couldn't our Seer have been someone who, I don't know, participated? Blech.

Back in a bit with some thoughts (I'm at rehearsal right now).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Having read all (eleven) of Stick's posts, I've come to the following conclusions -

- Given Stick's #627, I'm inclined to think that her dreams were Phantom, Nerwen, and myself (she thinks all three of us are innocent and doesn't really give hardcore opinions on anyone else).

- Given her rep vote for Phantom early on, I'm inclined to think Phantom was her Night 1 dream.

- Based on this quote:

Originally Posted by Mira

Now I really want to know Wilwa, Shasta, and phantom's roles are just to see if I'm going to get proven wrong.

- and based on the fact that we lynched Wilwa right after this, I'm inclined to think she dreamt of me the night after the double lynch.

- Based on those, I think whatever night isn't accounted for (night 2?) is the night she dreamt of Nerwen.

That's all I could gather from her posts. The rest was talking about Sally and apologizing for not being active/promises to do better.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well well- looks like the experiment worked, but not the right way. Bleh. At least we can be certain that my list of innocents is at least partly wrong now. I feared at least one was wrong, but I had to try it. There were only two choices of people I could back and Mira given her lack of participation I judged to be the lesser of the two. Obviously wrong on that, blast it. Otherwise it would've worked perfectly.

Based upon her final post, Nerwen, Shasta, and me look quite good now. Anyone disagree?

So what tipped them off to Mira? She did so little else that I think it must have been her post at #627– specifically, her list of three innocents. Thing is, I don't think you (phantom) were the only other per person who made a list of three, so that might tell us something. (Need to check.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

So that means we must lynch a couple of these folks-
Foley
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Rune
Steve
Inzil

I need to go back and do a reread of many things. I'll be around later.

If Zil, Rune or Lommy is an Elf, he or she quite gratuitously bussed a comrade. (Can't rule that out, though.) Add in Foley, who played a large role in getting A Little Green Elf lynched.

The other thing is– why did Greenie go so heavily after me? It wasn't as if there was general support for lynching me– and I had voting-power, whereas there were seven disenfranchised folk who would have made easier victims.

Thoughts–

1. Was it the case that the only lynchable-looking people among the er... general public were her fellows?

2. Was she counting on the support of a fellow-rep?

[Inziladun]

Given Mira's relatively submarine performance, I find it incredible she was the Seer. It's even more confounding that the Elves figured that out.
I had a good feeling about Foley already, and based on her late words that we shouldn't lynch Nerwen for nebulous reasons, I was thinking Foley could be the Seer.

I know Shasta sort of did this already, but I'm doing it as well.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

So... I read like a page and a half. Now have to go to a meeting, class, and work. Am grumpy about this fact. Would like to know what's in it for me if vote phantom for rep. Read more at work and hopefully make legitimate contribution.

The post that raised some eyebrows, especially in light of Lottie and Sally's votes for tp.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Deal. And I'm holding you to that.

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Votes tp for rep. Luckily, it was passed off as a joke or a lack of time by pretty much everyone.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Why actually I wasn't. Which I made perfectly clear in my first post of the day.

Admits she didn't read at all before voting.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

*is a super epic fail at this game and would request modfire if Fea wouldn't literally eat her soul and probably forbid her to ever loiter at her house again ever*

On that note, I am in desperate need of a nap and will be legitimately around after that (given I don't die in my sleep or something). If there's anything in particular people would like me to respond to, condensed versions would be much appreciated.

No comment.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Immediate thoughts since they were requested; more detailed to come.

phantom doesn't feel evil - er, good? - to me. His attention getting ploys are slightly more ridiculous than when he actually has something to lose. Case and point - Seer reveal that in my opinion accomplished nothing.

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

Mira is a pretty ridiculous fail at this game. This is what happens when people are forced to spend their entire weekend doing homework.

Fairly clear hint she could have dreamed of tp. All right, he's probably an Orc. That still doesn't mean he's right about everything.

The words about Nog aren't as clear. Seems ambiguous enough to have been just her opinion. That was Day 2, though. Why didn't she comment on her Night 2 dream if it wasn't Nog?

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Aaaand fail Mira for not actually saying what that massive post boils down to.

Pretty much I don't find sally all that suspicious. She's getting upset when people try to suspect her and I'm still not quite sure where her suspicion of Wilwa is coming from (although in all fairness, I very well might have missed it in the rush to get this done before DL), but nothing about that screams SoE to me.

Now I really want to know Wilwa, Shasta, and phantom's roles are just to see if I'm going to get proven wrong.

After an analysis of Sally, in which she concluded Sally was innocent. That could have been a covert way of saying she'd dreamed Sally. It seems logical that she would have, after Day 1.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

x...The people I was going to make a case against need to stop being killed. They definitely need to stop being ordos too, because that's just leading me to question everything I've been thinking all game. Looks like Ima go reevaluate. Elfpoodoo.

This was after Nog was killed. It would indicate she didn't dream of him, obviously. I wonder if the Night 2 dream might not have been Sally, in fact.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

People I think are innocent:
Phantom
Nerwen
Shasta
Mira

People I suspect so are thus probably innocent:
Foley

People I tend to trust so are thus probably furry:
Kath
Rune
Steve

People I don't particularly have feelings on:
Greenie
Legate
Lommy
Zil

I'll elaborate more on that later, but the meeting I woke up for was cancelled so I'll be going back to bed now and hopefully not waking up again until my afternoon meeting.

There she has tp, Nerwen, and Shasta as her "Innocents." No sort of analysis on any of them. It's conceivable those were her dreams, and finding Sally innocent Day 2 was the result of her own reading. There's room for doubt, though, on the latter two.

Anndd....that appears to be it.

Based on that, I think we can at least conclude phantom's innocence.
*mutters*

x/d with Nerwen

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So what tipped them off to Mira?

I expect it's because Rune and I were wrong. We were the only other logical Seer choices. I had this fear all of yesterday that I was choosing the wrong Seer candidate (Mira's plea not to be lynched from lack of participation made me nervous), but in the end I attempted to poach the dreams of the candidate who had actually been playing (Rune).

If it weren't for his rather explicit statement about Lommy and I being innocent, I would have without any doubt guessed at Mira being the Seer and at the end of the day I would have hinted that I had dreamt Mira, Shasta, and Nerwen to be innocent, and then the Elves probably would have killed me.

But instead I picked Rune as my Seer and so in my ruse I claimed that he and Lommy were innocent, along with Kath (I added Kath because I thought three dreams would look more powerful). What that tells me is that it is nearly a guarantee that Rune, Lommy, or Kath is an Elf, and likely that Rune or Lommy is.

And just to point out, if Mira's grouping of me-Shasta-Nerwen with her in the innocent column wasn't meant to be Seer dream info, then I'd say we're screwed. A Seer knows they're the Seer and knows that people are going to go back and read their posts if they die, and so if she chose in her final post to say that Phantom, Shasta, and Nerwen were in the same innocence category as herself, then we HAVE to operate based upon that. If that's wrong then it is not our fault. We can't worry about that.

So, everyone mark it down- DO NOT vote as a Rep anyone other than Shasta-Nerwen-Phantom unless we come up with some sort of five-lynch plan. Agreed?

[Folwren]

Is Mira experienced enough to realize that after her death all her comments on innocents are going to be used as evidence in their favor? Surely she wouldn't put up as her most highly trusted people those she had not dreamt of? Hope not.

I half thought yesterday that I might be night-killed because it was possible the wolves would've thought I was seer. To be quite honest, I thought Nerwen was our seer, based on something she said day 1. That was why I was pretty upset when Greenie was going to try to get her lynched. I thought it'd be pretty ridiculous if the village lynched their own seer.

I'd like to hear a lot more from Rune, Steve, and Kath today. Otherwise, I'll be inclined to suspect them. I seirously am under the impression that Shasta, Inzil, and Phantom are all innocent. Oh, and Nerwen, of course.

-- Fols

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

But instead I picked Rune as my Seer and so in my ruse I claimed that he and Lommy were innocent, along with Kath (I added Kath because I thought three dreams would look more powerful). What that tells me is that it is nearly a guarantee that Rune, Lommy, or Kath is an Elf, and likely that Rune or Lommy is.

Only if the Elves didn't buy your Seer-act for the specific reason that you named at least one as an innocent. I'm not at all saying I disagree with you here, Phantom - in fact I would be surprised if Lommy in particular wasn't an Elf at this point - but saying "nearly a guarantee" is pushing things a bit far, I think.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Only if the Elves didn't buy your Seer-act for the specific reason that you named at least one as an innocent. I'm not at all saying I disagree with you here, Phantom - in fact I would be surprised if Lommy in particular wasn't an Elf at this point - but saying "nearly a guarantee" is pushing things a bit far, I think.

True. However, they didn't buy Foley as the Seer either. Look at this list:

Originally Posted by Folwren

Probably Innocent
Nerwen
Inzil
Lommy

Less certain but leaning towards innocent
Shasta
Legate
Phantom
Kath

Also less certain, but leaning towards guilty this time
Rune
Mira

I have a guilty feeling about:
Greenie
Steve

Now PLEASE don't freak out about Greenie's name being there. I KNOW I voted for her, but it was only after I voted for her and then started reading more posts (remember, I'm way behind due to Day2) and she started posting more posts that I got a bad, bad, bad feeling about her. I feel something is wrong. I don't have time to go back and figure it out now, but I wanted to put out my list in case any of you reps really cared.

And Foley's later comment about me must have looked very Seerish. So why wasn't she killed? Is it because the Elves reasoned that she couldn't have dreamed Greenie plus three innocents? But she makes it pretty clear that her suspicion of Greenie was based on the latter's posting only– and, after all, she voted for her.

[Nerwen]

So, where do the different lines of reasoning lead us?

1. Theory: Mira was killed as the only Seer-candidate who hadn't listed an Elf as innocent (or wasn't a Elf). Other possible "Seers" would be would be Rune (Lommy, Kath, phantom), Folwren (Nerwen, Inzil, Lommy), phantom (copied Rune's list, substituting Rune's name for his).
Implicates: Rune, Kath, Lommy (twice), Zil. And Folwren for the sake of argument, though after yesterDay there's much against the idea that she is an Elf. A good deal against Zil being one, too.

2. Theory: Greenie went after Nerwen (rep) because there was no innocent non-rep she could have lynched easily.
Implicates: Steve. Perhaps Legate? (I'd have to re-read; reckon she could have got Steve lynched, anyway/)


3. Theory: Greenie went after me because she was expecting another rep to vote with her (i.e. one who bussed her instead):
Implicates: Zil, Rune. (More the latter, as his vote could be said to have been forced.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Here for a short moment, just briefly...

Originally Posted by the phantom

Based upon her final post, Nerwen, Shasta, and me look quite good now. Anyone disagree?

Looks like that to me, and I think that's the basic line I am going to hold. I need to review all; in any case, I don't think it's some 100% free pass, but basically I would try to go with that and refrain from voting the three of you.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

couldn't our Seer have been someone who, I don't know, participated?

Basically exactly the same wording of what I wanted to say as I saw it...

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Given her rep vote for Phantom early on, I'm inclined to think Phantom was her Night 1 dream.

i
Well, I think it doesn't necessary mean that - it could just have been a good way to cast a random vote, hoping to get lost in the crowd of phantom-voters and get some pass for the Day from the SoE (for being a bit suspicious, and too random for being the Seer). It would expose her to some threat of being lynched, but then, there were like two other people who did the same, so she could have hoped for merging with the crowd, so to say, and not feeling the threat so strongly.

I find it more likely that she'd dream of phantom later - certainly after the Day 1 events, I think in any case, every Seer would do that. But I didn't really have time to go through all her posts and am working only based on my memory and what others quote here. I will look at her posts later myself. Not that it seems to matter whether she dreamt of tp on Night 1 or whatnot. Basically the three-list above is the thing I am going to use. It is quite lucky that anyway, if it is so, she didn't dream of somebody who died at the same Night - that's actually what I had been afraid of all the time, since the Seer didn't seem to come out with any dreams.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So what tipped them off to Mira? She did so little else that I think it must have been her post at #627– specifically, her list of three innocents. Thing is, I don't think you (phantom) were the only other per person who made a list of three, so that might tell us something. (Need to check.)

There was at least phantom and especially Foley with sorta similar list and possibly some Seer-ish things ("don't lynch Nerwen"). There definitely must be reasons why the SoE chose Mira over everybody else, that's also worth looking at - but will have to do it when I come back.

Okay, whatever, gotta run now. Will be back later toDay, in several hours...

[Nerwen]

Hey, anyone around? I'm lonely.

By the way–

Originally Posted by Great WW Quotes of Our Time

It seems that Greenie was really looking for ways to bump Sally off. But by itself, that's understandable.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, anyone around? I'm lonely.

I'm here momentarily, but maybe not for long, since I just got into work and see all the voice and e-mails.

I do like the quote, though.

[Folwren]

It seems that Greenie was really looking for ways to bump Sally off. But by itself, that's understandable.

Eh...yeah...that was me. I didn't mean anything by it. Glad it amused you.

I am at work and I'll have my eye on this, but I won't have time to investigate anybody.

-- Fol

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

3. Theory: Greenie went after me because she was expecting another rep to vote with her (i.e. one who bussed her instead):
Implicates: Zil, Rune. (More the latter, as his vote could be said to have been forced.)

Not going to disagree, it was a forced vote to some extend.

It was not like I had anything in particular against voting for Greenie, but I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for you guys and Folwren.

People are starting to talk a lot about Lommy, I for some reason have had a lot of faith in her.

First I thought she made sense and appeared very innocent, after that she made a post where she claimed to know Me, Legate and Nogrod quite well and believed us all to be innocent.

I am quite a ware that a SoE could easily create such a list as they know exactly who is innocent and who isn't, but in this case I chose to believe that it was pure skill that made her pick innocents. (This is also the reason I haven't really paid attention to Legate, also I can never get a read on him)

I will not end this post with a conclusion, I am merely telling you what thoughts I have had about Lommy.

[Nerwen]

I just hope the Cupcake's reading this.

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

EDIT:X'd with Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I just hope the Cupcake's reading this.

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

I am fine with this.

[Inziladun]

I know I won't be around at DL, and probably not for a few hours before that. I intend to get back here later, but I'll go ahead and do this now.

++phantom for rep

Seems the most likely to have been dreamed by Mira.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

I think the idea is good, and anyway, I can't see any more "foolproof" option now. Speaking of this, I am not sure how much I will be online tomorrow anyway, so even if somebody had other ideas, I do not suggest voting me for Rep. But this should solve the problem nicely.

How many of us are there? Do we want the three to have equal amount of votes? I think that'd be the best. Of tp, Shasta and Nerwen, I would prefer to give my vote to Nerwen, as I like her the most - I don't know so much about Shasta other than he was on Mira's list, and giving a vote to tp... well... (oh yes, of course it's such a lifetime event that I would prefer to do it with fanfares and all that stuff...) But if we all decide to give our votes to those three, it does not matter, effectively, who votes for whom. Related to this, though, we should then still at least express our opinions as to whom we would like to lynch, or whom we trust etc., so that we don't just sit idly around, and most of all, so that we have some leading (because if the Day just consisted of everybody mechanically voting one of the three, there won't be much to analyse).

I probably will spend the evening with at least a few analyses, especially if I am not going to be around much toMorrow. Shall be around...

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm...

I think today I'm going to got through everybody's ties with Lottie and Greenie, and also check Mira's posts myself. I'm inclined to think right now that she'd have been unforgivably stupid if she had let undreamt people to her "innocent" category in her last post so seems like we can take phantom, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence for granted. (But I still find Shasta's innocence difficult to believe especially after Greenie was revealed a wolf! That was good job guy btw. )

Originally Posted by Nerwen

If Zil, Rune or Lommy is an Elf, he or she quite gratuitously bussed a comrade. (Can't rule that out, though.) Add in Foley, who played a large role in getting A Little Green Elf lynched.

So if we go by this simple logic it leaves only Eönwë, Kath and Legate as two wolves and one innocent? I'd love it if it was that easy...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

Sounds plausible. And I wouldn't want to be a rep anyway after all because I might miss all the second half of this Day (this is something I forgot yesterDay).

And seems like my theory about tp being a village-friendly UO in contact with the seer was proved wrong. What a pity - I really thought I knew what was up with his scheming... I also have to admit speculating he was the real seer (now that would've been just really cool!).

Off to have dinner, then off to analyse.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

So if we go by this simple logic it leaves only Eönwë, Kath and Legate as two wolves and one innocent? I'd love it if it was that easy...

It would be nice... but I think what I'm really saying is not that the rest of you can't be guilty, but that any case made on any of you has to include an explanation of why you did that.

[Nerwen]

Anyway–
++Shasta for Rep

[Folwren]

So, wait..what's going to happen if we get these three people into representative spots? Are we killing three people tonigt? Isn't that Phantom's plan?

-- Foley

[Kath]

phantom, Shasta or Nerwen?

Mira would have dreamt of phantom for sure, and if he was evil she'd have made it clear.

++phantom for Rep

Sorry, voting and running toDay.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Nerwen for Rep

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Nerwen

I'd just like to say publically that I feel the worst about Legate and Lommy right now, but I won't have time to say why until about four hours until after the second half of toDay starts. Sorry, all.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I went through all Greenie's posts, trying to find what she said about other people and how it might possibly help us. There are some things interesting, but generally, she seemed rather careful what she says about people, except for when she decided for heedless pursuit of somebody (like sally or partially Nerwen).

Day 1:

On first Day, she, in my opinion rather obviously sought a way to incriminate the phantom and save Lottie by picking sally out of the two. She made a list in the first half of the Day, while some players (Cel, Kath, Mira, Steve and Wilwa) haven't been around yet. Later, she seemed in a hurry and aside from her vote, she only had a large list of players whom she found "innocentish" in the second part of the Day (Lommy, Shasta, Rune, Foley and Nerwen); and then she suspected the phantom-triangle (sally, Lottie, tp).

Conclusions: depending on her tactics and on who of her mates was around, she didn't have to necessary express her opinions on each of them; but I would find it logical that she would try to make at least some of her mates look good, or at least not incriminate them (she already had Lottie for that anyway). That said, she didn't really seem to try to incriminate anybody except for the tp trio. If she put one of her mates into the list of "innocentish" people, then there are our "known innocents"; if we take them off, Rune, Lommy and Foley remain. Which is not exactly encouraging at least to me, as those folks seem rather innocent to me in general - if I was to pick, then I would say that Rune is the most likely to me to be a SoE. Might be that Greenie kept all her mates out in the "more or less nothing"-cathegory, or that they simply haven't been around yet (which means basically Steve and Kath of those who are alive).

Day 2:
Didn't want to get much into the phantom-Nerwen row. Once again she made a list of everybody, with rather dubious "I hope there are no elves here" by-the-way-comment in the "not alarming" cathegory. Aside from those she thought "innocentish" on Day 1, in this cathegory there is also me, Nog, Phantom (surprise!) and Wilwa. There is also "under the radar" cathegory (Cel, Glirdy, Kath, Mira, Steve, Zil) and "makes me bang my head against the wall" with Nerwen and Sally. She seemed to flip-flop, or respectively pretend to flip-flop on Nerwen. While once again mentioning whom she trusts, she mentioned Nog, Shasta, Rune and phantom. She quite suddenly voted Steve for Rep.

After the Reps have been chosen, she said she is happy with them all: Shasta and Foley totally and Nog, Legate and Steve "all inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of". Later liked Kath, more wary of Wilwa but still finding her innocent, and she told the Reps to lynch sally and "wouldn't object to lynching Cel or Mira". Wished the Reps would leave Shasta, Lommy, Wilwa and tp alone; also didn't want Rune to be lynched.

Conclusions: if Nerwen is innocent, then Greenie could have here very well just started to look for chances to incriminate somebody else beyond herself who didn't vote exactly for Lottie, or something like that, and found her for that. The biggest "move" was probably her suddenly being ok with the phantom and suddenly choosing Steve (she said she did so by following Rune's example, but never gave more explanation) while before she had him merely as "no read". I don't know if a SoE would vote for a mate so obviously and in such way, and her flip-flops on Steve seem not to have any logical reasoning behind them. Could have been that she tried to get a fellow for Rep, but then again, why so clumsily - unless e.g. on Day 1 she wanted to keep distance from him and suddenly after Lottie's death the SoE realised they need to get him there, or something... but it's just rather weird (also would depend on who would be the last SoE). But generally, she seemed to list basically everybody as either innocent or "no read" at most, and kept focusing on sally and on sally only, and flip-flopping on Nerwen. In any case, if I was to think of her general strategy, from this it seems to me that she tried to be just on good terms with everybody and not listing more or less anybody as suspicious.

Day 3:
Admits "barking at the wrong sally" for two Days, thinks tp innocent, raised some suspicion against Steve and started to have second thoughts even on some people she thought innocent before (especially Shasta and me, and suddenly switched Rune into "undecided" cathegory). Later debated among two undecided - Rune and Inzil - and two she thought innocent - Lommy and Foley - for Reps, ended up with Inzil.

Later, when being the Rep herself again, she seemed to play on all sides, considering basically all three other Reps at some point, whether she could not vote one of them, although her cases for Inzil and Rune seemed forced (and she basically discarded them herself, since she didn't have any earlier basis for them). Ended up voting Nerwen, which didn't work, as we all know.

Conclusion: Basically once again, she had people at most in the "undecided" cathegory. She didn't really suspect anybody, but she had some dubious flip-flopping remarks on just about everyone.

Overall conclusion: I think I just spent a few hours with not really getting too much out of that. There doesn't seem to be any clear pattern in Greenie's behavior, except that she tries to behave in a "politically correct" way. This way, she could easily place her fellows into any cathegory she likes and flip-flop on them as much as she wants.

Of the living players, she seemed to be "buttering up" Lommy the most - and I really wonder if she'd do that if Lommy was her fellow Wolf. Kath or even Zil would seem more likely, or Foley. She made quite interesting almost-180-changes on Steve. She said a lot about those who are on Mira's list, she supported Shasta quite strongly basically all the way, and had constant thoughts about Nerwen, in one way or another.

The name sticking the most out of the analysis, then, if I discount phantom, Shasta and Nerwen, is Steve. Even that is, however, still just one name. And the main problem I find is that I cannot find a link of two people there, like two other Wolves. In any case, this is probably it from me toDay - I am going to Rep-vote and go. And like I said, I will be around toMorrow probably only late in the evening. Just hope the Reps decide well.

[the phantom]

Inzil-->Phantom
Nerwen-->Shasta
Kath-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Nerwen
Shasta-->Nerwen (2)

Okay, so, Shasta needs another vote to make him a Rep. What we do with other votes is up to you people. Do you want all of us to be tied with 2 or 3 Rep votes so we can triple-lynch if we wish? Or is a double all you'd go for?

Anyway, sorry I haven't been around much, but today is a very busy day. The second half of the day will be better for me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, there's 10 of us, right? That means if we vote only those we spoke of, then basically three people vote for each Rep, and each Rep will have three votes, and then one of us shouldn't vote, or somebody will just have one more vote.

In either case, now the situation should be (if I counted right): Phantom is a Rep with 2, Nerwen is a Rep with 2, and Shasta has 1. I assume somebody to vote for Shasta still, and I said earlier that I prefer Nerwen anyway - and jokes aside, I'd trust her the most (and even in case we were wrong about Mira's list and there was a Wolf among these three, I find her the least likely). So basically here goes the third vote -

++Nerwen for Rep

Good night, see you later in the second half of toDay; Reps, choose well.

EDIT: x-ed with phantom

[Eönwë]

NOOOO!

Though, to be honest, it was only a matter of time. She was the one I thought most likely out of the two people I thought could be the seer (The other being Legate), which I came up with on the basis of possible subtle hints by usage of words from the "Seerish" lexical group, such as "see", "look" and "dream".

For example, the

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Ima go take a look at sally's posts for the past couple days.

jumped out to me, especially the "take a look at sally" part, which I read as a hint that she wanted to dream Sally that Night, especially as she mentioned her all Day.

This, for example, with that knowledge, looks like a distressed Seer that is worried about their dreams being ineffective for their side:

Originally Posted by Mirandir

x...The people I was going to make a case against need to stop being killed. They definitely need to stop being ordos too, because that's just leading me to question everything I've been thinking all game. Looks like Ima go reevaluate. Elfpoodoo.

And I agree that she probably didn't have Nog as her choice, because in

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

The "a tad suspicious with no backup" suggests that she doesn't have any evidence.

For Legate, I was just thinking small things like "Mesa see" and "But we shall see" in his first post, as well as his vague tone which would not offend anyone too much suggested a possible Seerdom.

Anyway, my point was, if I can see it (and I'm not really known for my receptivity to nuances), then I'm pretty sure it wasn't that hidden. That said, it's always sad to see the seer go before revealing (and revealing the last wolves).

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And seems like my theory about tp being a village-friendly UO in contact with the seer was proved wrong. What a pity - I really thought I knew what was up with his scheming...

How does him being innocent mean that he's not the UO? He could have been the UO and just decided to stick with the village (And, according to the rules, Mira would have been updated with regards to which side he chose).

And I agree with the general idea that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are most likely to be innocent based on Mira's posts, though it does seem convenient that her three most likely "dreams" are all still alive.




Well, this post was from a few hours ago, and I had to go before I could finish off a few sentences, so I'm x-ing with everything after Rune's vote for Nerwen and am going to read what I've missed.
edit: Well, not too many actually, by the looks of it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay, so, Shasta needs another vote to make him a Rep. What we do with other votes is up to you people. Do you want all of us to be tied with 2 or 3 Rep votes so we can triple-lynch if we wish? Or is a double all you'd go for?

Basically, I have nothing against double-lynches, but overdoing it might also not be good (we can kill far more innocents than we wanted and could afford). In my opinion, having 3 votes does not mean you have to triple-lynch (you can triple-lynch with two votes also, anyway), it will also probably depend on how the Reps agree among themselves and whom they think suspicious. You can split the votes in different ways. I am fine with the way I have now cast my vote, and however you decide later, if I am around, I can voice my opinions about possible options - which should happen, unless you decide to vote super-fast at the start of the Day when I am not around yet. Generally, I am against any voting madness, that's the main point.

EDIT: x-ed with Steve. Good night, now definitely.

[Eönwë]

Well, I might as well vote for my rep now, and post more afterwards, since we're all agreed- which, I might add, makes it far easier for the elves to hide toDay (at least in Part 1 of the Day).

Anyway, though he's annoyed me a lot this game, I don't think I've ever actually thought him evil, so I'm nominating:

++the phantom

for rep.

[Eönwë]

And just to explain, out of the three, I find Shasta the most suspicious, which is why I'm not voting for him. Though I admit that he always looks the same to me, and sometimes it makes me think he's innocent, and sometimes guilty. But this time he definitely seems less innocent than the other two.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, decided not to look at Mira's posts myself as Zil quoted them all anyway and I think we've reached a conclusion on her dreams in any case. So off to other work...

Omitting our three known innocents...


~*~


LOTTIE


Legate

Legate about Lottie
Day1: #45 indirectly says Lottie and Sally's votes might've been out of lack of time, lack of imagination on d1 or SoE bandwagon hiding reasons.
#60 worries about Rune's buddying up with people and throws Lottie and Sally to the same category.
#68 agrees with Boro's criticism of Lottie and Sally.
#100 wouldn't vote her for a rep because of the tp-connection and (relative) absence.
#270 mentions her among several others as someone whose lynching he'd consider.

Lottie about Legate
- nothing -


Lommy

Lommy about Lottie
Day1: #46 does not "heart" Lottie and criticises her "stupid" rep vote.
#52 apologises to Sally and Lottie for possible offense.
#113 is annoyed by her and other tp-voters but doesn't have any "actual clear reasonable suspicions" against them.
#237 Lottie is in her worrisome half of the village.
#242 wonders about Lottie's change of mind considering tp and says that if he turns out to be a wolf, we should look at the people who rep-voted him.
#247 brings up Lottie's wolfy cheerfulness and voting first and coming up with reasons afterwards and wonders if she should change her mind about her.
#254 would like to vote Lottie (and possibly give 1/3 votes to Cel).
#264 wonders whether to give Lottie two or three votes.
#266 votes her with three votes. The first lynch vote to be given to anyone. Comments: "a bit less of a shot in the dark than most other options".

Lottie about Lommy
Day1: #306 defends herself against Lommy's points.


Zil

Zil about Lottie
Day1: #47 agrees with Lommy's criticism of Lottie and Sally's votes
#268 replies to Lommy's question saying he'd like to see one of phantom, Sally or Lottie dead, dislikes phantom's supporting the girls' votes for him.

Lottie about Zil
Day1: #175 corrects Folwren's misinformation on him
#187 explains her nicknames for him and Izzy


Folwren

Lottie about Folwren
Day1: #175 corrects her misinformation about Zil.
#189 defends tp against her point criticising the two of them and Sally.
#196 continues argueing with her to defend tp.

Folwren about Lottie
Day1: #188 says her and Sally's were not logical or worthwhile and wonders why tp doesn't see this.
#193 replies Lottie's defense in a slightly lecturing tone.
#239 says the "Sally-and-Lottie-baseless-votes-for-phantom issue" has been discussed enough. True, but it's funny how everything looks so suspicious taken out of context like this...


Eönwë

Eönwë about Lottie
Day1: #101 argues against her reasons for voting for tp as a rep.
#120 she is among the "other people" he has no idea bout yet.
#260 argues against her points again.
#267 would be annoyed if she, Sally and tp are all wolves but thinks it's likely there are Elves in the triangle.

Lottie about Eönwë
#306 counter-criticism against him.


Kath and Rune didn't have any interaction with Lottie. Which is quite weird given that she was the hot potato of the Day...


~*~


GREENIE


Lommy

Lommy about Greenie
Day1: #113 argues against her points, loves her, likes her and agrees with her but wonders if her vote was even too good, considers her for rep vote.
#118 votes Greenie for rep because they are "on the same wavelength". Haha, that sounds bad in the light of the current knowledge, doesn't it?
#209 thanks Shasta for taking up her and Greenie's crusade against tp.
#217 explains Greenie's internet-problems to the Cave.
#237 Greenie is in her not so worrisome half of the village.
#266 lets her use the computer.
Day2 #419 claims she can read her (and Legate and Rune) well and believes them all innocent. Wouldn't it be funny if Legate and Rune turned out to be wolves too?
#452 replies to her questioning her Wilwa comments.
#459 repeats claim of being able to read her and thinks her very innocent. Greenie must've been so gleeful reading my posts...
Day3 #557 starting to reconsider her previous opinion of Greenie and Legate but still more thinking them innocent.
#566 agrees with her about Rune's post being ironic.
#590 creeps herself out by half-seriously speculating a phantom-Greenie-Kath pack.
#632 answers Nerwen's question about her opinion on Legate and Greenie by: "And no idea about Greenie and Legate. Currently thinking Legate is probably innocent and very unsure about Greenie. "
#659 has started to suspect her quite randomly but has a bad feeling her suspicion is wrong, lists her under "difficult" with more than half of the remaining cavers. Speculates about a Shasta+Nerwen+Greenie pack but thinks Greenie+Nerwen unlikely.
#663 discusses the lynch options and prefers Shasta. "Zil/Nerwen/Greenie I'm torn about but I would possibly prefer Greenie... not sure at all."

Greenie about Lommy
Day1: #69 agrees with Lommy's points.
#76 says she seems genuine but isn't sure if she wants to vote her for a rep.
#79 explains Lommy's point to phantom.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #357 delivers her message to the Cave.
#365 thinks her very innocent and partly because of her Lottie-vote.
#406 hands over the computer to her.
#448 asks her how can anyone (Wilwa) be fishy in an innocent way.
#462 clarifies Lommy's typo (by request).
#471 asks the Cave not to lynch Lommy, tp, Wilwa or Shasta.
Day3: #572 can't see her as an Elf, if she's an Elf she deserves to win.
#573 considers rep-voting her because she seems innocent.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Not Lommy. She, too, has already been a rep, and I don't think that much can be learned from her being one again."
#642 mentions her in a nerwielysis.


Zil

Greenie about Zil
Day1: #69 agrees with his point of witholding rep votes.
#76 can't read him yet but not alarmed.
Day2: #365 agonises about never being able to read him.
Day3: #572 thinks he's too smooth and can't read him. Anyone else thinking this repetition starts to go quite over the top...?
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 rep-votes him. "Because an innocent Inzil can make a good decision on my behalf, and an evil Inzil will hopefully be revealed. " Makes Zil looks worse than Rune.
#649 asks who Zil wants to lynch.
#652 has an uneasy feeling about him but won't vote him because she doesn't have "even half-decent arguments".
#656 says Zil she doesn't want to vote phantom like he suggests, asks for his opinion about Nerwen. Even though she was his rep, it would be really weird if wolves were conversing this openly with each other on the thread...
#660 "like I said, I'm slightly uneasy about him though with no arguments to base it on, wouldn't mind seeing him lynched."

Zil about Greenie
Day1: #124 wonders if he should join her in voting Nerwen for a rep.
Day2: #376 replies her points about phantom and Sally.
#409 Greenie is green and doesn't ping his Elfdar, indirectly defends her Sally-vote.
Day3: #564 replies to her points, kind of arguing/explaining.
#606 votes her for rep because: she has already one rep vote, she has been a rep and she's not on tp's "want list" (what's that?) and better than Nerwen since Foley whom he trusts nominated her first. Interesting logic... This starts to look fishy all in all.
#645 mentions her in a stevielysis.
#700 thinks she overreacted to Nerwen's point against her but doesn't think it vote-meriting.
#703 wonders about Rune's sudden suspicion of her and Nerwekeke.
#713 votes Greenie, is the third one to do so. Talk about sudden suspicions...
#715 says Foley is why he voted Green.


Legate

Greenie about Legate
Day1:#69 expands on his point about rep voting the same person.
#76 says he seems reasonable so far.
#95 wonders if he is the Emperor's cat.
Day2: #365 isn't too worried about him because an elf-Legate would be more "polished". This sounds very un-wolf-on-wolfy because it seems like a very genuine notion on his behaviour. Of course there is the possibility, if you want to argue, that Greenie was impressed by her fellow's acting skills and mentions it here, but given I made the very same notion about Legate myself it seems difficult to argue...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
#473 replies to his inquiry about lynch preferences.
Day3: #572 says he's leaning innocent for her.
#660 "would be somewhere in my "no idea, maybe leaning innocent" -category, quite honestly I haven't paid that much attention to him."

Legate about Greenie
Day1: #97 is disturbed by her suggestion that he's the Emperor's cat.
#100 calls her reasonable and has her as an option for his rep vote.
#136 mentions her being his rep vote possibility but since other people support electing her too he contemplates leaving her for others to vote Haha sounds like a wolf trying to keep the tallies clean for himself! (Not seriously though, just occured to me and it sounded stupidly funny, or rather, funnily stupid.)
#147 mentions her briefly in his musing about his rep vote.
Day2: #427 mentions her vote while discussing the previous Day's voting but doesn't say much. It's funny how he keeps mentioning the wolves but saying precious little on them...
#470 she seems mostly innocent despite bad vote but won't get his rep vote. For some reason I get innocent vibes from this comment.
Day3: #577 "I had generally good feeling about her, although now that sally's been proven innocent, one could start wondering about her constant case against her."
#662 would like to have a look at her and several others.


Foley

Greenie about Foley
Day1: #76 can't form an opinion on her yet.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #365 would be really surprised if she was an Elf.
#448 happy that she's a rep and pretty sure she's innocent.
Day3: #572 still thinks her innocent, discusses her behaviour at Day2 voting and says it seems genuine.
#652 whines to her that she still wants to vote Nerwen.

Foley about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #524 uses her points as a basis of her suspicions of Sally.
Day3: #585 votes her for rep.
#648 tells her it's not a good idea to lynch-vote Nerwen.
#664 asks us not to freak out but she has a very bad feeling about Greenie her rep, got it only after her rep-vote when she started reading more.
#681 announces she's writing a post about her. This would be very cold-hearted wolvish backstabbing...
#687 says she lost her post about her and asks people if they'd like her to rewrite her thoughts.
#698 the promised Greenie-post. Doesn't really reach any conclusion except that Greenie and Rune might be fellows.
#702 Greenie conclusions: if she's an Elf, she's a goo one but Foley doesn't trust her. The lack of good reasons for suspicions is suspicious.


Rune

Greenie about Rune
Day1: #76 more inclined to think him innocent on the little evidence she has.
#274 inclined to think him innocentish.
Day2: #365 gets good vibes from him.
#406 follows his lead when it comes to rep voting and likes him.
#473 thinks him innocent.
Day3: #560 thinks it's ironic his post was innocent except for the part where he considered his own post suspicious.
#572 is very undecided and flip-floppy about him.
#581 replies to Kath considering her read on Rune's ironic post.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 chooses Zil over Rune because Rune is a tad easier to read.
#652 names him as a lynching option based on her opinion on him being torn and Kath's good points.
#656 still torn about him, but would rather like to see him dead than someone she considers innocent.
#660 "I'm still considering Rune as well, my vote will in all probability go for either him or Nerwen."
#667 torn about voting him or Nerwie.
#669 asks him who he's considering for voting.
#675 decides not to vote him because of her lack of arguments against him.

Rune about Greenie
Day1: #218 says that if he was a rep he'd vote her, Glirdy or Steve. Suspects her for not committing enough.
Day2: #386 doesn't trust her although she seems good, can't put his finger on it.
Day3: #561 replies semi-philosophically to her about stuff being ironic.
#621 wants to look over her and a few others' posts.
#655 doesn't know what to think of her.
#673 replies to her question about his voting preferences, mentions that he has an uneasy feeling about her.
#688 encourages Foley to rewrite her post about Greenie.
#695 she is one of his lynch options but not the primary one.
#710 will vote her to save his own skin.
#712 does that, cross-posting with Nerwen and thus giving the second vote for her.

Kath

Greenie about Kath
Day1: #76 mentions her as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 she's under her radar.
#453 yays her appearance.
Day3: #572 needs more data on her but notes that her long Day2 post looked genuine.
#581 continues on her point about Rune, says it's pity Kath is busy and can't become a rep because of that.
#652 uses her points against Rune.

Kath about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #460 likes her for asking interesting questions.
#461 she feels innocent to her.
Day3: #578 replies her comments, concludes with: "Good suspicions post, lots of reasoning."
#580 likes her but wants to read her more in-depth (especially about her relation to Wilwa) before rep-voting her.
#643 mentions her in a runelysis.


Eönwë

Greenie about Eönwë
Day1: #76 mentions him as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 has no read on him and says he might need a closer look.
#406 votes him for rep. Again quite from behing the corner. Makes me wonder...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
Day3: #572 would love to check his posts and calls him a potential elf for smooth behaviour.
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#618 commiserates with him about the difficulty of the game.

Eönwë about Greenie
Day1: #120 considers voting her for rep Huh, that came quite out of the blue...
#137 votes her for rep over Legate because he likes her reasoning and doesn't think she's evil
#267 refers to her earlier point regarding the Lottie-Sally-tp triangle.
Day2: #497 says she seemed innocent yesterDay but not so much toDay. Won't lynch-vote but wants to reread.
Day3: #682 is getting evil undertones from Greenie's recent posts. Talk about rats leaving the stinking ship... (Oops what a typo! Can't resist leaving it uncorrected, though... )


~*~


Conclusions in a separate post, this one is long enough... They are unwritten as of yet though so this will still take a moment...



edit: xed with very many posts

[Thinlómien]

Eönwë
Interactions with Lottie: not much stuff. They bicker a lot. Wonder if that means anything - could be a hint of Eönwë's innocene.
Inteactions with Greenie: fishy. They rep-vote each other quite out of the blue on successive Days, and Eönwë's two successive 90 degree turns on Greenie look weird - or more like, the latter one looks quite wolf on wolfy.
Overall: Questionable or more on the furry side.

Folwren
Interactions with Lottie: arguing could be a sign of not relatedness, don't know what to make of Folwren's desire to stop talking about the three.
Interactions with Greenie: if she was a wolf, she would be the worst backstabber I've seen for a while.
Overall: Neutralish + good = most likely innocent.

Kath
Interactions with Lottie: none.
Interactions with Greenie: nice-nice trustiness. Not much stuff, though.
Overall: Too little data to go by. Looks eyebrow-raising worthy, though.

Legate
Interactions with Lottie: careful suspicion but somebody else is always worse. I don't like this.
Interactions with Greenie: quite non-committal. Mutual relative trust. Hmmm...?
Overall: Looks quite bad. But it would've been still ingenious of Greenie to say that thing about him being more polished as a wolf if they were fellows.

Lommy
These will be for you to make.

Rune
Interactions with Lottie: none. Weird, eh, given that he was around for most of the Day...
Interactions with Greenie: she goes from trusting him to slight suspicion and is torn about voting him but decides not to = fishy. Otherwise, either he's an eager backstabber or innocent.
Overall: Given that I don't put eager backstabbing past Rune by any means, he is more fishy than not.

Zil
Interactions with Lottie: Very little data, but she seems to talk rather "personal" about him, while all he says about her is commenting something Lommy has said. Weird.
Interactions with Greenie: Uh. She keeps the cover of being unable to read him all the time, wishy-washes on whether to rep-vote him or not, light suspicion on both sides until Zil goes turncloaks and votes her quite randomly. Mutual rep votes. Looks very bad but I wonder if they'd really discuss that openly if they were fellows...
Overall: Orange if not red zone. Beep beep beep!

Overall overall: Foley's innocent. I don't know what to think of Legate because he's confusing. Rune, Kath and Eönwë all look slightly fishy, Inzil more than slightly.

Such conclusive conclusions.

Anyway, now off to read all I have cross-posted with with these two posts of mine...


edit: DIDN'T x. Weird.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

How does him being innocent mean that he's not the UO? He could have been the UO and just decided to stick with the village (And, according to the rules, Mira would have been updated with regards to which side he chose).

Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us? Since splitting votes is allowed, it should be very easy. Each rep gives one vote to one of the six and we will have a tie. Extra votes are not used or are used like
++pumpkin pie++
or whatever. Or if Moddess doesn't allow that we could try to get everybody just two rep votes...? (Ah okay there's not that option anymore. I wonder if the reps could give 1,5 votes to people? ) Somebody (phantom darling? ) please think this out for me, I'm too tried to think properly.

++Shasta for rep

PS. My current suspicion list out of the six unknowns would probably be: 1. Zil, 2. Kath, 3. Steve, 4. Rune, 5. Legate (for some reason I just can't honestly suspect him seriously whatever the evidence says... well if I turn out to be fooled then we can say love is blind ), 6. Folwren, 7. Lommy (I know you can't take my word for this, but I'm not a wolf. I'd totally have loved wolfing with my sister but alas that was not the case. I don't think I would've backstabbed her if we had been fellows. That would've been double treachery. I could in a certain situation/mood have backstabbed Lottie on Day1, though, even though it would've been quite drastic of me. This is all the defense from me you shall get because there haven't been any proper accusations yet and I won't probably be around to hear more.)

PPS. Just realised I had omitted myself so we have seven people to lynch, bleurgh. Well it could probably still work out if not using all votes was allowed...

[Eönwë]

Night 1
Seer Dream



Day 1

Representative votes:
Sally |Orc| -> Phantom
Lottie |Elf|-> Phantom (2)
Rune -> Lommy
Greenie |Elf| -> Nerwen
Nog |Orc| -> Izzy |Orc|
Mira |Seer|-> Phantom (3)
Boro |Orc| -> Wilwa
Lommy -> Greenie |Elf|
Steve -> Greenie |Elf| (2)
Inzil -> Boro |Orc|
Shasta -> Izzy |Orc| (2)
Legate -> Nerwen (2)
Celuien |Orc| -> Foley
Phantom -> Celuien |Orc|
Nerwen -> Lommy
Wilwa |Orc| -> Lommy
Foley -> Celuien |Orc| [2- same Day]
Izzy |Orc| -> Wilwa

Representatives:
(3):Phantom, Lommy
(2):Nerwen, [B]Izzy |Orc|, Wilwa, Greenie |Elf|, Celuien |Orc|

Did not vote: Glirdy, Kath


Lynch votes:
Lommy +++ Lottie |Elf| (3)
Greenie |Elf| ++ Sally |Orc| (2)
Nerwen + Sally |Orc|(3)
Nerwen + Boro |Orc| (1)
Celuien |Orc| ++ Boro |Orc| (3)
Wilwa |Orc| + Sally |Orc| (4)
Wilwa |Orc| + Lottie |Elf| (4)
Izzy |Orc| ++ Lottie |Elf| (6)

Lynch: Lottie |Elf|

Did not vote: Phantom

Night 2
Kill: Izzy |Orc|
Seer Dream
Orc of Undecided Allegiance chooses role



Day 2

Representative votes:
Nerwen -> Shasta
Rune -> Steve
Greenie |Elf| -> Steve (2) [2]
Nog |Orc| > Legate
Steve -> Legate (2)
Lommy -> Nog |Orc|
Inzil -> Shasta (2)
Wilwa |Orc| -> Foley
Legate -> Foley (2)
Shasta -> Nerwen [2- same Day]
Sally |Orc| -> Nog |Orc| (2)
Phantom -> Legate (3)

Representatives:
(3): Legate
(2): Steve, Shasta, Foley, Nog |Orc|

Did not vote:
Kath, Mira |Seer|, Celuien |Orc|, Foley

Lynch votes:
Nog |Orc| ++ Wilwa
Legate +++ Celuien |Orc|
Shasta ++ Sally |Orc|
Steve ++ Wilwa |Orc| (4)
Foley ++ Sally |Orc| (4)

Lynch: Sally |Orc|, Wilwa |Orc|

Did not vote: -

Other Deaths: Boro |Orc|, Glirdy



Night 3
Kill: Nog |Orc|
Seer Dream



Day 3

Representative votes:
Greenie |Elf| ->Inzil
Foley -> Greenie |Elf|
Kath -> Inzil (2)
Legate -> Rune
Steve -> Rune (2) [2]
Lommy -> Nerwen [2]
Rune -> Kath
Shasta -> Nerwen (2) <2> [2- same Day]
Inzil -> Greenie |Elf| (2) [2- same Day]

Representatives:
(2) Inzil, Rune, Nerwen, Greenie |Elf|

Did not vote:
Celuien |Orc|, Mira |Seer|, Nerwen, Phantom

Lynch votes:
Greenie |Elf| ++ Nerwen /2\
Inzil ++ Greenie |Elf| {3- Same Day)
Rune ++ Greenie |Elf| (4)
Nerwen ++ Greenie |Elf| (6) [2- same Day]


Lynch: Greenie

Did not vote: -

Other Deaths:Celuien |Orc|


Night 4
Kill: Mira |Seer|
Seer Dream: -


Key:
-> = voted as rep
++ = voted to lynch (number of +s=voting power)
() = number of votes someone has in the same category
<> = a repeat vote (i.e., voting for a rep a second time)
/\ = a vote for the same person in any category (i.e., voting for someone as rep, and then lynch-voting that person- does not need to be consecutive)
[] = a return/revenge-vote (i.e., someone voting for someone who voted for them in the same category)
{} = A return/revenge vote in any category
|| = roles
Italics = the dead

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.

I don't think it would be necessary for the OoUA to reveal, though if they joined the side of the village then it might be useful for is for xe to say so. And would you believe phantom if he said he was? And anyway, there really is no proof (except for death) that could prove an OoUA, so xe might want to wait until a little later, though personally I don't think there would be much point in waiting now that the seer's dead.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us?

Do you really want to end the game now, and without even 100% evidence? You seem a bit too certain that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are innocents, and even if they're much closer to 'proven' innocents than everyone else, they're not. And anyway, where's the fun that?

[Eönwë]

Well, since no-one's around, and I'm tired, I think I may just go to sleep.

[the phantom]

Like I said, busy, so I haven't read anything. But I did at least skim through the Rep votes.

It appears that Shasta needs one more vote to be tied with Nerwen and I. Who hasn't voted besides me?