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Mordor is the correct answer.
I was specifically thinking of Sauron's dark towers, with Beleriand being Tol-in-Gaurhoth; probably should have said 'West Beleriand' to keep people from thinking of Angband. ![]() Back to you, G55 (and, Urwen - did you just unflinchingly cast the Halls of Mandos as a dark fortress? I kinda like that!) hS |
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I meant Utumno.
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Ok, here goes.
These benign and mostly benevolent people were used for evil purposes by one consumed with greed and one consumed with vengeance.
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Thingol and Hurin, most definitely. The former was slain because of his own greed, the latter sought vengeance against those who had wronged his children.
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The clue had a typo, now corrected.
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Okay, then one must be Tar-Miriel, who was used by Pharazon so he could obtain the throne which wasn't his.
For the other, I am drawing a blank. Morgoth, who used Hurin, Maeglin and the House of Ulfang for his evil purposes comes to mind, and he did desire vengeance, but, as Huinesoron pointed out, none of them was completely benevolent. Then there is Sauron, who more or less used Denethor and Gollum, but again, neither of them were completely benevolent. (In fact, the only person who could reasonably be called 'pure' is Frodo, who resisted the lure of the Ring for the longest time, only to succumb at the end. But he wasn't really 'used' by anybody.) Lotho comes to mind. We don't know much about him, except that he was used by Saruman as a puppet ruler, and then killed on his orders. So Tar-Miriel and Lotho are my guess.
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Read the clue carefully. Some "people", collectively, were used by two separate individuals, one associated with "greed" and one associated with "vengeance". Answer with a combination that the clue is asking for.
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The same people or different people?
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Eruhini (Elves and Edain) were used by Melkor and Sauron.
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Not tye answer, but this is the right structure/format.
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You missed this:
Maybe the Numenoreans/Gondorians?
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1) I did not miss it, I think you don't need the explicit answer to that question to find the solution. Consider the way the question is phrased and what I told you about the format.
2) Are Numenorians/Gondorians the people, the greedy one, or the vengeful one? What are the other two? That's not a clear or complete answer. (But no, they are not the answer to either of the components).
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Maybe the Shire-Folk, who were used by Lotho (the greedy one) and Saruman (the vengeful one)
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Veeery close. A little more specific.
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The Shirrifs?
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Indeed so! A worthy service turned to evil purposes by Lotho and Saruman. Over to you!
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Speaking of groups.....
Which group of people attempted - and failed - to avenge their fallen leader?
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Give this some love too.
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Not sure how. Haven't thought of such a group yet - that would also be tied to something bad guy-ish.
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They are definitely listed as villains on Tolkien Gateway.
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If they really are villains, confirmation from the TG is not really necessary. Hmm...
The goblins from the Misty Mountains, attacking in the Battle of Five Armies to avenge the Dwarves for the slaying of their King?
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Not who I had in mind.
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I am reviving this......
And I am in ASOIAF mood, so.....
Which bad guy did a thing which would be considered normal in ASOIAF-verse, but bad in Tolkien-verse?
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I've never read a sentence or watched a single episode of it, I'm afraid. Don't want to start, either. I don't have time.
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Okay.
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Then maybe you'd be interested in giving a question of your own, here?
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No time at the moment - sorry.
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Time to revive this as well.
How did Morleg die? ![]()
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Okay. 'Mor' is dark. 'leg' shows up at the end of Beleg, but I think there it's actually -eg. Definitely a Sindarin name, either way.
But maybe not late Sindarin? 'Morl' has a slightly early feel to it. So I'm thinking older name for some character. I don't recognise it as an elf, and I usually pay attention to those, so mortal. I'm... that 'dark' is making me thing Turin. So either: a) It was a name Tolkien once used for Turin, who died of draconic manipulation and talking sword. or b) it's a member of Turin's outlaws, who... something to do with Mim? He brought in orcs to kill them, right? hS, going book-free |
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You're right, it's an older name for a character, but you're barking at the wrong tree. And remember that this is a 'bad guy' trivia.
(And I'll also admit I am deceiving you a bit here, but if anyone could see through my deception, it'd be you, Huinesoron.)
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Alright then, he died of a broken heart.
![]() Have no idea who he is, other than he does not sound Third Age to me, so it's hard to answer your questions about him without looking up the name.
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Well, I guess you could say he did, but the answer is factually incorrect.
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If so, did he die after a wrench? Specifically, this wrench? And a topple off the cliff that followed?
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Yes and no.
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I am intrigued to see that the standalone Fall of Gondolin indexes 'Moeleg' as the Sindarin form of 'Melkor'. Could be the same name in a different reading, which I think means that, per the Second Prophecy of Mandos, he dies from an overdose of Turin.
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Wrong. I didn't say 'Moeleg', but 'Morleg'. Check you War of the Jewels copy, yo.
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