![]() |
![]() |
Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page |
![]() |
#721 |
Corpus Cacophonous
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: A green and pleasant land
Posts: 8,390
![]() |
![]()
+ + CELEBRIMBOR
His greed for knowledge of ring lore led him to be taken in by Sauron and thus significantly contributed towards the downfall of Kings of Men, the corruption of Dwarven Lords, the waning of Elven power in Middle-earth, the creation of the One Ring and, therefore, the near total victory of Sauron. He was humiliatingly used as a flag by the armies of Mordor. Basically, he was a complete embarrassment to the line of Feanor. And, on the Island, he occupies himself weaving plants into rings and calling them Rings of Flower, rather than contributing usefully towards the tasks or camp duties. Besides, if he goes, it will annoy Ang and TP. ![]()
__________________
Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#722 |
Riveting Ribbiter
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Assigned to Mordor
Posts: 1,767
![]() |
++ELROS
Same reasoning as before. Minus the part about boycotting the anti-Celebornists. ![]()
__________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#723 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
++ELROS
same reasons as before. And I'm fond of Celebrimbor. He's clever, he makes pretty things and he likes Galadriel. What's not to like?
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#724 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
+ + Celebrimbor
Quote:
significantly caused by pride in their powers would have had some influence on him.
__________________
The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#725 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
But what was the problem with the rings Celebrimbor made, anyway? Without them, Middle Earth would have been a lot worse of...
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#726 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
Quote:
"appearances" of pre-deluge Sauron doesn't speak highly for his discernment. I believe Galadriel told (Atanatar?) to shove off.
__________________
The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#727 | |
Corpus Cacophonous
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: A green and pleasant land
Posts: 8,390
![]() |
![]() Quote:
I think that it is safe to say that Middle-earth would have been a lot better off without the Rings of Power if that meant that there was also no One Ring ...
__________________
Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind! |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#728 |
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
|
And had Celebrimbor not made his rings, Sauron's might not have been so powerful. Pure speculation, but Sauron waited to make his Ring until Celebrimbor had already made the others, right? The other rings must also have been vital in Sauron's plans for world domination.
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#729 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
Quote:
(I'm too lazy to check if there are existing ones). Tolkien himself is, I believe, ambivalent on the overall effects of the three rings on Middle-earth and the elves. And would a "stand-alone" Sauron Ring have been less powerful? At any rate, the Celebrimbor vote stands, although he did resist Sauron, but he seems to be ethically/politically ambivalent (in some versions ousting Galadriel from power) and still pursuing elf power in Middle-earth.
__________________
The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#730 |
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
|
TiG: Sauron's own poem describing his Ring refers to it as Master of the other Rings, not as an independent power...
And if that is so, then Celebrimbor's denseness actively aided Sauron. He didn't even try to resist Sauron until he saw him in total "I am going to rule the world thanks to these suckers" mode and couldn't make an excuse not to.
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#731 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: In a world grown ever smaller.
Posts: 678
![]() |
NO, NO, a thouand time NOO!!! Celebrimbor, under no circumstances, should be voted off. Gulibility and sespeptablity to treachery were common problems in the Second Age. Think was good would have been lost had he not made his rings. Not to mention, they were not ever corrupted by Sauron. They came entirely from Celebrimbor's own thoughts and desires. Sauron made his ring to ensnare the bearers of all the others; he didn't even konw of teh Three.
Celebrimbor is the perfect candidate to win this Survivor. Not only does he have wisdom, skill, and knowledge, above all, he shows an admirable change in attitude from his father. Gone is the treacherous, deseitful leach. He will not stoop to play those power-games with the like of Grima Woomtouge and his father's brother's. No, he strikes out on the path of peace and knowledge, using his gifts of the sake of others.
__________________
I've got bridge club on Wednesday,
Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#732 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: In a world grown ever smaller.
Posts: 678
![]() |
![]()
Down with Elros! Down with the Pansy-King! Down with the Undeserving Monarch!
++Elros Ha! ![]()
__________________
I've got bridge club on Wednesday,
Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#733 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
Quote:
Letting her win as you suggested wouldn't be honorable. That would be a pity win. A real survivor needs to win through their own skills, not because someone feels sorry for them. It's the survival of the fittest, and she isn't fit.
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#734 |
Illusionary Holbytla
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 7,547
![]() |
++Elros
To recap my reasons (it was a couple days ago, now): as king, he basically did nothing except live for a really long time. The only things Elros is noted for are being related to Earendil, Elrond, etc., choosing mortality, being the first king of Numenor, and living a long time. At least Celebrimbor actually did something, however misguided he may have been in it. I'm not sure I want him to win, but I'd rather see Elros go first. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#735 | |
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
|
Quote:
Oh...and Glorfindel came back, so no elf who goes to Valinor can be hastily classified as "dead".
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles! |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#736 | |
Dead Serious
|
Quote:
'twas Galadriel and Celeborn- not Celebrimbor- who ruled Eregion when Sauron waltzed right in after being given the thumb's down in Lindon. Tolkien, ever the Galadriel-fancier, tries to cover it by making it sound like Galadriel and Celeborn were rather lacking in power, but that doesn't speak any better about them, now does it? And don't try blaming it all on Celeborn... we've already decided everything he did goes back to Galadriel. ![]()
__________________
I prefer history, true or feigned.
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#737 | |
Eidolon of a Took
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: my own private fantasy world
Posts: 3,460
![]() |
Quote:
![]() I dunno if I'm going to vote today. I feel like voting for Elros but I'm just too lazy to come up with some reasonable explanation for it... but since the day is double long maybe I'll come up with something in the next 24 hours.
__________________
All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#738 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
Quote:
You also overlook the fact that Glorfindel actually died. He was sent to the Halls of Mandos and was then sent back to Middle-Earth. The Halls of Mandos really doesn't sound too pleasant. No elf has ever sailed to Valinor and come back.
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#739 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
Thingol, Finwe and Manwe all did...
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#740 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
Didn't Finwe stay on Valinor? Manwe is a vala, not an elf, and Thingol is the only one who actually stands out. However, he came back in a time when the world was new and had not waned. Every other elf left because they grew sad or tired of the world.
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#741 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
Sorry, rather early in the morning for me, I meant Ingwe, not Manwe....
The three elf chiefs all went to Valinor, then came back to Middle Earth to tell their chums how fabby it was...
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#742 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
Quote:
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#743 |
Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
Posts: 5,312
![]() ![]() |
![]()
(No, I won't do the whole of Hamlet's soliloquy in German.
![]() Do I vote in the hopes of a multiple lynch, or bandwaggon and help evict one character. Both aid and hurt my purposes here . . . Oh, well. ++Elros Tar-Miniature His claim to fame was living long. C'mon, mortal, life is not the amount of breaths you take, it's the moments that take your breath away. And, aside from your kidnapping, in which you were the receiver not the doer of the action, you didn't do anything of the sort. Eeny, minie, Minyatur. ![]()
__________________
フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#744 |
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
|
The entire host of the Noldor returned to Middle Earth from Valinor. So there.
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#745 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
That was because of a war. The "holy" Silmarils were stolen, their leader was killed, and they wanted vengeance, something they could only get in Middle-Earth, and even then that was only because Morgoth had "set up shop" there. No elf has ever willingly sailed back to Middle-Earth by an uneffected mind. This is most important for Celebrian.
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#746 |
Dead Serious
|
Day Twenty-three marked the beginning of the home stretch of Survivor: The Second Age. With only six candidates remaining, the race was tight. The voting fell as follows:
Celebrían: II Celebrimbor: III Elros: IIIII He had chosen the path of mortality, of NOT living to the end of the world, so it is perhaps only just that while he had a long run in the game of Surivor, Elros Tar-Minyatur did not make it to the end. Those Remaining: Galadriel Celebrían Celebrimbor Tar-Míriel Anárion Day 24 now commences, and I'mstill predicting a Galadriel win. ![]() Vote Away!
__________________
I prefer history, true or feigned.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#747 |
Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
Posts: 5,312
![]() ![]() |
![]()
++Celebrían
She lacks initiative, letting things be done to her instead. Like being married to Elrond, being kidnapped by Orcs, being rescued by Elladan and Elrohir, and being taken in a ship to Valinor. If we think of history as a sentence, she's never in the nominative case, always in the accusative or dative case. Begone!
__________________
フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#748 |
Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
Posts: 5,312
![]() ![]() |
![]()
--Celebrían
++Galadriel I just don't like Formendaga's prediction. ![]() ![]() Seriously, what's with flaunting her osanwë ability? 'Oh, look, I can talk to you without opening my mouth. How cool is that? Love me and despair, you talentless fools!' Oh, dear, what a character. ![]()
__________________
フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#749 |
Illusionary Holbytla
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 7,547
![]() |
++Galadriel
All right, she's lasted long enough now. And now there are enough female characters that I don't feel bad voting for one of them. She appears to be too powerful. Look her up in UT and it's always "Galadriel's wisdom this" or "Galadriel's foresight that." Supposedly she's a match for just about everyone in body and mind - athletes, loremasters, etc. She's full of herself, too proud to give Feanor any of her hairs (a simple thing, yes?). But I think the truth is that Galadriel wrote all of this, and since she was suffering from an inferiority complex she had to make herself appear more powerful than she actually was. She has to show off just to prove that she is as good as the rest of them. And even if it is all true, she's still all too proud and she's still too powerful to stick around for the rest of this game. That's what happens in Survivor, after all: the strongest players are too strong so they get voted out. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#750 |
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
|
++Galadriel
For flirting with a dwarf, being cryptic when solid advice was needed, and for upstaging her husband whenever opportunity presented itself.
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#751 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
++CELEBRIAN
A good and noble elfwoman, but the least outstanding in Middle Earth of those contestants left.
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#752 |
Corpus Cacophonous
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: A green and pleasant land
Posts: 8,390
![]() |
![]()
I must concur that it's time to knock down a sacred cow, in this case literally so (
![]() ![]() + + GALADRIEL After all, she treated her husband appallingly, the poor fellow. ![]() Furthermore, she stifled the realm of Lorien and all who dwelt within it with her obsession with preserving it and trying to turn it in to some kind of Valinor on Middle-earth. If she wanted to live in Valinor she should have stayed there. But no. She wanted to rule her own realm, which she could not do in Valinor. That hardly shows humility, now, does it? And her efforts to "embalm" Lorien were totally contrary to the natural order of things, which requires change, via the cycle of life, to renew and referesh. All she achieved was to stifle and stultify. Given half a chance, she will no doubt try to do the same with the Survivor Island. She must be stopped!
__________________
Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#753 |
Riveting Ribbiter
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Assigned to Mordor
Posts: 1,767
![]() |
You're forcing my hand...
![]() ++CELEBRIAN Known only for getting into trouble by an irresponsible journey through orc territory.
__________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#754 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
+ + Galadriel
As she herself observed, she'd make one scary-mama if given too much power. ![]()
__________________
The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#755 | ||
Shade of Carn Dûm
|
Quote:
________ Magic Flight Launch Box Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:35 PM. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#756 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps.
Posts: 527
![]() |
Galadriel has long based herself on her pride, and with the time passed on the island and her still remaining, that pride has most likely become the fuel for an ego trip. Such a thing puts her in danger, and so she is the enemy of all on the island.
++Galadriel.
__________________
"And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#757 |
Eidolon of a Took
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: my own private fantasy world
Posts: 3,460
![]() |
![]()
+ + Galadriel
Now that she no longer has her husband around to dominate, her more aggressive tendencies no longer have a healthy outlet and she will not be able to keep her dark side in check. Galadriel is full of dangerous, barely restrained Dark Lordess power. Maybe she ought to go diffuse it somewhere else. ~Diamond~ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression
__________________
All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#758 |
Hauntress of the Havens
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: IN it, but not OF it
Posts: 2,538
![]() |
![]()
++CELEBRIAN
Same old, same old. Come now, Galadriel makes a great strategic Survivor player! ![]() Last edited by Lhunardawen; 04-03-2006 at 01:58 AM. Reason: Whoops. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#759 |
Dead Serious
|
Day Twenty-four ended with some evil cackling from the Moderator. His malicious plan had succeeded! *Moans the lack of an Evil Smiley!* The voting fell as follows:
Celebrían: III Galadriel: IIIII II And so the male and female balance of the game was restored... Those Remaining: Celebrían Celebrimbor Tar-Míriel Anárion Day 25 now commences, and I'm gleefully pleased to see that Galadriel is gone. Vote away!
__________________
I prefer history, true or feigned.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#760 |
Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,779
![]() ![]() |
You all fell for it, didn't you...
![]() Anyway, I'm getting worried about Anarion. He's just flying in under the radar here. And while I'm glad he's got this far, his contributions to Second Age life, to survival on the island and to the entertainment of viewers don't quite match up to the others. ++ANARION
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|
![]() |