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08-31-2006, 10:33 AM | #681 | |
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Alas, his nuisance value looks to have come to an end. But it was good while it lasted ...
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08-31-2006, 10:59 AM | #682 |
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I agree with Boro that (too) many of the "juicy characters" have been ousted already because of fun and the remaining bunch isn't the most interesting one. (Di: I don't feel sorry for Gandalf, he's too much of a goody to be interesting in the end)
But how about looking at the entertainment value and something of any substance anyone can come up with these last ones? Surely it won't be Gloin. Surely it won't be Chrysophylax Dives. Tolkien's Gimli is a reasonably interesting character (opposed to PJ's slapstick one)but Smaug probably has the most character of these remaining ones. Varda made the stars and they are a source of everlasting astonishment. Thorondor is a hero, but a bit thin one? So let's just continue with the good idea of getting rid of Gloin first... Sorry to be this open. But we're reaching the final stages here, so who cares?
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08-31-2006, 11:31 AM | #683 | |
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Hmm... It seems Gloin is the one going away... Thorondor is, if not really interesting, more original than Gloin...
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08-31-2006, 11:54 AM | #684 |
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The day is now over!
Gloin - 13 Thorondor - 8 Chrysophylax Dives - 1 Gloin stood quickly at the sound of his mothers voice calling him upstairs. He rushed to get there before she became to angry. He then had to wash dishes for an hour, so couldn't come up with a good way for him to leave the island. Remaining contestants: From the Lord of the Rings Survivor Gimli From the Silmarillion Survivor Elbereth From the Hobbit Survivor Smaug From the Second Age Survivor Thorondor From the Minor Works Survivor Chrysophylax Dives *************************************** You may now start voting and I may now start cleaning!
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08-31-2006, 11:54 AM | #685 |
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La de da...Oh the joys of favorites not threatened and votes not needed.
But just for the heck of it, ++Gimli, or the dragons might eat him. EDIT: As it wasn't 2 yet, that vote was intended to count Yesterday and is thus being retracted: --Gimli
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08-31-2006, 11:54 AM | #686 |
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Jenny, I will consider that the first vote of the day.
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08-31-2006, 12:12 PM | #687 |
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well i did eeny meeny miny mo, and it came up...
++Gimli
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08-31-2006, 12:13 PM | #688 |
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Dragons don't fly! (Eagles do)
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08-31-2006, 12:52 PM | #689 |
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Two dragons are too much in the end.
One will have to do after this day. Smaug is more of a personality. ++Chrysophylax Dives
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08-31-2006, 12:57 PM | #690 |
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I try the pity card and it doesn't work...phooey. What unpitiable downers we have here.
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08-31-2006, 01:01 PM | #691 |
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Two dragons, and one is from the Minor Works as well.
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08-31-2006, 01:05 PM | #692 |
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++Thorondor
He's ugly!
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08-31-2006, 01:19 PM | #693 |
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Exactly what Menel said.
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08-31-2006, 01:27 PM | #694 |
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Finaly I can steal that identety !
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08-31-2006, 01:32 PM | #695 |
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So sad that you would rather keep Smaug, a rather bland dragon character, too sterotypical, instead of keeping a rather fascinating dragon with an unusual personality.
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08-31-2006, 01:47 PM | #696 | |
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08-31-2006, 02:17 PM | #697 |
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Okay
All in all he is unlike any dragon I have ever known and much more interesting than anyone left...*lousy Hama evicters*
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Talking about dragon-personalities, how could you have played an ancient game where you voted Glaurung out! Glaurung would have wiped these two out with just it's tail.
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08-31-2006, 03:58 PM | #699 |
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++Chrysophylax
Okay, I'm happy to see him having gotten this far. But the truth is, I don't really know who he is, and as such I can hardly say that I want him to win. However interesting minor works characters may be, I'm just not convinced they have what it takes to win at All-Star. When you think "All-Star" (in any sense, not just this), you think of big names, the greatest ones. That doesn't describe Minor Works. And there's two dragons. We got rid of a second Dwarf; dragons should not be shown the preference. |
08-31-2006, 04:16 PM | #700 |
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I think the big eagle guy has given us all he's got to give now, it's time for him to go.
I'm sure he'll fare well wherever he fares, and that his eyrie will receive him at his journey's end. ++THORONDOR
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08-31-2006, 05:22 PM | #701 |
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Well, I would rather see Gimli go today, but if I have to choose between the winged beasties, I'd rather evict Thorondor. We shall see...
Dragons absolutely deserve preference! Majestic, noble, terrifying creatures with a terrific sense of humor.
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08-31-2006, 05:59 PM | #702 |
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++ Thorondor
I find it curious that people are saying that they don't know anything about Chrysophylax and defending characters like Smaug and Thorondor about which we really know rather less. Smaug's claim to fame seems to rest entirely on the fact that he was in The Hobbit, specifically two chapters. He only had a few aspects of his personality developed. We know nothing about what Thorondor was like. I'm still puzzled about why he was included in the first place. Chrysophylax was basically the subject of an entire story and had multiple facets of his personality developed. It seems to me that the people who are saying that we don't "know" anything about Chrysophylax are either A) betraying their woeful ignorance of Farmer Giles of Ham (and, in fact, might have never read it) or B) are being thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical.
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08-31-2006, 06:06 PM | #703 |
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I have never denied never having read most of the minor works. When I say "I don't really know anything about him" I mean just that: I personally don't, even if the information is out there.
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08-31-2006, 06:38 PM | #704 |
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Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute.
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08-31-2006, 07:10 PM | #705 |
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++ Thorondor
Strange that many of us were saying he was the most boring Survivor character to ever get this far - what? Two rounds (days, whatever) ago? I'm all for evening things up, but even an admittedly-not-as-vicious-as-most-dragon is more exciting than a boring air ride without the peanuts and Dr. Pepper. |
08-31-2006, 07:30 PM | #706 |
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Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.
--Chrysophylax Dives ++Thorondor
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08-31-2006, 07:32 PM | #707 |
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aye menel, aye
--Gimli ++Thorondor
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08-31-2006, 07:35 PM | #708 | |
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08-31-2006, 07:43 PM | #709 |
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Very well then.
++ THORONDOR
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However, whether you think Smaug is better than Chrysi or not is kind of beside the point, since + + THORONDOR is still around.
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08-31-2006, 08:02 PM | #711 |
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As the author of that comparison to Puff, I would like to point out that it was pure silliness in the spirit of Mirth, and meant to point out that not all dragons are evil. Not to say that Chrysi was Puff, which is, of course, absurd.
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08-31-2006, 08:44 PM | #712 | |
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Yes, some of us might be voting off MW characters just because that's what they are. But saying we can't or shouldn't is pretty much saying we shouldn't be voting at all unless we've read the Minor Works. And I don't think that's right. There was a reason I didn't participate in the Minor Works Suvivor. Maybe I'm just tired and reading too much into it, and maybe it's all just part of the game, but that's not really the impression that I'm getting right now (and it's not just you, Kuru). And I fail to see how "I've never heard of them" is a worse argument than "his name sounds funny," "just to save a different character," or the like. Fine. If those are better, I'm voting Chysophylax because I have to think to hard to spell his name and because the Eagles are cool so I'd like Thorondor to stick around. |
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08-31-2006, 08:45 PM | #713 |
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++ Gimli
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08-31-2006, 10:06 PM | #714 |
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I repeat my previous vote today:
++ Thorondor It takes more than being just a deus ex machina to be an interesting character.
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09-01-2006, 12:27 AM | #715 |
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++Chrysophylax Dives.
As mentioned before, he is a rich snob who, compared to Smaug, is Puff the Magic Dragon. Now, seeing Smaug as coolness, and Chrys as the opposite, take these two scenarios. 1. Smaug flies over a town, letting out an enormous blast of fire, setting ablaze a large portion of the place. The fire shines light on his jeweled belly, and an awesome opera theme plays. Bad***. 2. Chrys...well, he doesn't really have anything for an intro. Lame. That, and this being the internet, he has a make-shift Kevin Bacon factor to Puff the Magic Dragon. It's like a fight between the Terminator and Pee-Wee Herman. Chrys is going down.
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09-01-2006, 03:19 AM | #716 |
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+ + THORONDOR
As the least interesting of the remaining contestants. Some of these misconceptions about Chrysophylax Dives are really rather startling on what is supposed to be a Tolkien forum. Let's face it, Dragons are cool in any circumstances and Tolkien's Dragons are particularly cool. We really get to know the likes of Smaug, Glaurung and Chrysophylax. Their great scaly frames are fleshed out, so to speak. They are given personality. OK, so that doesn't apply so much to Scatha and Ancalagon, but they're not the issue here. The other three have character in spades. What sets Chys out from other Dragons, though, is that his immediate reaction to a problem is not to blunder about spouting fire everywhere and causing mass slaughter. He is no Puff the Magic Dragon, and gobbles up his fair share of Knights when the occasion demands it. But he is also able to think his way out of adversity where necessary. He is cunning and calculating. He has style. He does not fly into a rage at every opportunity and end up getting himself killed. As such, he is a true Survivor. At the very least, he deserves to be in the final. I can understand why those who know nothing of him might wish to vote him off, but I would suggest that the proper reaction is instead to listen to those who actually know something about this character and/or go off and read about him yourself. I would venture to suggest that few who have actually read about Chrys would label him a dull or inconsequential character. On the contrary, he is complex and fascinating - perhaps one of the most interesting Dragons ever to have graced the pages of a novel. Don't show your ignorance. Either listen to those who know or read about him yourself and make up your own mind.
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The fight today isn't between Chrys and Smaug, however. It's between Chrys and Thorondor. Which is a shame, because the issue of either dragon vs. Thorondor is frankly a non-competition. Either one would just fry him mid air and be done with him. So why should he survive longer than either? Quote:
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++Gimli
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09-01-2006, 06:23 AM | #719 |
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I'm leaving right now, and I won't be back until 6 hours after the deadline. So if anyone can cover for me today, it would be greatly appreciated!
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09-01-2006, 07:23 AM | #720 |
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I believe I could help out again. It will be about 2PM Eastern Time.
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