The Hobbit Survivor

[Eonwe]

Ang, wasn't Balin teh one you had slated to win? Just checking...

We certainly do need two trolls! Three would be ideal, but some lot voted one off when i had my back turned. Native sheep poulation? The producers bought the island, and they can just as well live without sheep on it, if they get the ratings they want. And everyone like the antics these two are pulling: what with their strange societal ways they make for a bit of inter-tribe conflict. This would be serverly undermined if one were voted off: as Troll society is so very communal, the remaining Troll would feel the neel the need to gain assurace by assimilating into the mainstream of his tribe, thereby cancelling any culture-clashing.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Holby and other Belladonna-lovers, over here!

So,

- - Tom

+ + Balin

[Lalaith]

This is awful. I don't want to vote Balin off

What's the tally, someone?

[Elu Ancalime]

I beleive its something like this:

Balin (woot): 5

Belladonna Took (holla): 5

Tom (save the Trolls!): 4




Error of margin: +/- 2 votes

The Reason for this Post: To motivate someone to get the accurate tally
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[WaynetheGoblin]

--gloin
++balin
can i have my peace in my living dead now

[arcticstorm]

let us lower the number of hobbits on the island
++Beladona Took

[Elu Ancalime]

let us lower the number of hobbits on the island

The ratio of hobbits to others is

2:12

Whearas the ratio of dwarves to others is

5:11

There is one male hobbit and one female hobbit left.
If either of them are voted off, how will the hobbit strain continue? That my friends is hunting an endangered species.

Dwarves spring out of the ground. We dont need any more, they will just attack everybody for jools and loot.

This is awful. I don't want to vote Balin off

Lalaith, you voted for Tom. Again if Tom is gone, then *checks list of remeaining characters* Then William will be without a friend, it was bad enough to vote off poor Bert, that's like breaking up the Blues Brothers, or Larry Curly and Mo, or 'W' and Blaire, or squash, beans, and corn! If your going to traumatize the trio by evicting one, leave the others alone for a chance for victory in Bert's name!

A vote for Tom is a vote against friendship.
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[Formendacil]

Okay, it's well over 48 hours since the last cast out (28 minus 25 DOES equal 3, correct?). That being the case, I'm going to exercise my replacement-mod authority and tally up the votes...

Today, the threat of eviction hung over the heads of many... Gloin, Elrond, Roac, Belladona Took, Tom, and Balin. Belladonna, the sole female, bore perhaps the greatest fear, but in the end, the voting went as such:

Elrond: I
Roac: I
Belladonna Took: IIIII
Tom: III
Balin: IIIII I

Once again victorious, the Dwarf-cullers had removed Balin. Ever gentlemanly, the old Dwarf stood up, bowed low, and departed the Island for parts unknown. Whether or not it was deep, Balrog-infested caverns, or Hobbit holes... well, that's why I said the parts were unknown.

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Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)
Beorn
Dori
Balin

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Day 30 begins now. 12 more people.

I know that Glirdan said:

One more person and the last merging of the tribes will take place.

But I shall leave the actual performance of that act to him.

~Michael A. Joosten - Survivor: The Hobbit Backup Moderator~

[Kuruharan]

Again if Tom is gone, then *checks list of remeaining characters* Then William will be without a friend, it was bad enough to vote off poor Bert, that's like breaking up the Blues Brothers, or Larry Curly and Mo, or 'W' and Blaire, or squash, beans, and corn! If your going to traumatize the trio by evicting one, leave the others alone for a chance for victory in Bert's name!

A vote for Tom is a vote against friendship.

Pshaw! Believe me, nobody wants Tom gone any more than William. The two of them brawl incessantly, call each other all sorts of horrible names, and Tom hogs all the good loot. William would throw a party if Tom were voted off. He’d probably serve roast mutton with a side of villager.

[dwarves] will just attack everybody for jools and loot.

Yes, above I said “trolls” and “loot” in the same sentence. It is the trolls that are the looters. They’ve been raping and pillaging ever since they arrived on the island…and now somebody is trying to cover up their depravity by accusing the innocent (note the trollish spelling…of course, I would never suggest that anything so unpleasant as bribery could possibly be the root cause of all this).

Of course, this probably only increases this individual’s credibility in the eyes of some of our more unsavory electors.

And this same individual is now trying to paint us a picture of defending poor imposed upon Belladonna while keeping these brute beasts about on the island. After her victory she shall be delivering this individual a stern reprimand. (The creatures have made off with most of the money she brought with her. It is a miracle she has any left. However, it would be cruel for me to suggest that this individual wants to keep the trolls about the island in order for them to get the chance to rob the poor lady down to the very last penny... )

EDIT: Let's see if more people can't be persuaded to act more sensibly today.

++ TOM

[mormegil]

++Belladona Took

We can't let her get off to win.

[Lalaith]

++TOM

For reasons mentioned earlier. I think even Ang and Saucie should have sated their dwarf-lust by now.

[WaynetheGoblin]

++belladone took
I agree with morm.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Belladona Took

[Holbytlass]

Guys
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)


Gal
Belladonna Took

Formendacil was waiting for Glirdan to do the reshuffling but I took it upon myself. Now does this seem right? No! As a proud member of H.A.G. I say to thinning out the males a little more before booting off poor lonely-only Bella!

++TOM

[Celuien]

++BELLADONNA TOOK

Again.

[Glirdan]

Well Holby, that's not quite how I was planning to merge the tribes. It's more like...

Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)
Belladonna Took

If anyone has a prefered name for the tribe, be my guest and let me know. I'm open to suggestions.

Thank you to Form once again for taking over (stupid exams!!!! ).

My vote will be with Holby.

++Tom

Save the old hag who's the only female left!!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What about:

Blokes
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Birds
Eagle Lord
Belladonna Took
Roac

[Anguirel]

++GLOIN-it's the principle of the thing...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I think even Ang and Saucie should have sated their dwarf-lust by now.

Certainly not. There are still twice as many Dwarves as there are contestants any other category.

Really, brave and noble though they are, do we really need two identi-kit Dwarves? Fili and Kili are interchangeable for all material purposes. I say we get rid of one of them.

++ KILI

Ang, I went along with you on Balin yesterday, despite him being one of my preferred Dwarves. I hope that you (and all those who agree that there are still too many Dwarves) can see your way to a Kili-based compromise today ...

[Lalaith]

I'm all for trying to preserve balance, but c'mon guys, now is not the time to mess about with principles.
Look at the voting stats - we've got four for Belladonna, four for Tom, one for Gloin and one for Kili.
If Ang or Saucie could be persuaded to switch to Tom, we might save Belladonna....never mind about the gender aspect, surely to have only one hobbit left (and a dead one at that) compared to two trolls and two birds in a game called, lest you forget, Hobbit Survivor, is just a travesty.

Tomorrow we can look at dwarf ratios and I'm sure you will find me co-operative and receptive to all sensible arguments.

[WaynetheGoblin]

get rid of belledona took because she will win if she gets to the end.

[Kuruharan]

she will win if she gets to the end.

That's the general idea.

Lalaith

You probably really shouldn't waste your time on those two. Their ears (to say nothing of brains) are too waxed up with their narrow-minded dwarfism to pay any attention to anything else. They'll just continue to clatter and foam. What we need to do is find some way of lobbying new voters... Any ideas?

[Formendacil]

I'm with Sauce... Way back in the "good ole days" of Survivor: LotR, there were numerous complaints of the boringness of Hama there at the end: imagine the complaints should we end up with three Dwarves!

++ Kili

Let's "kili" him.

[Elu Ancalime]

++Kili

He would want to go, with his uncle and his brother will follow him.

D.A.I.N. says (a bit of collectivism) that while the ratio of dwarves to others drops, the ratio of female to male needs to be more equal. It should follow the dwarven ratio of 1:3.

I say:

Longbeards
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili

Tribe of Venus
Belladonna Took

Clan of Idlesmen
Eagle Lord
Roac
Elrond
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)
Smaug
Chief Warg

Operation Olog
Tom
William
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[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Their ears (to say nothing of brains) are too waxed up with their narrow-minded dwarfism to pay any attention to anything else.

Harsh words strongly spoken, Master Dwarf. I am, in fact, not prejudiced against any race in particular. As I have made clear almost from the outset, my aim is for a balanced final, rather than the all-Dwarf final that you no doubt hope for.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Look at the voting stats - we've got four for Belladonna, four for Tom, one for Gloin and one for Kili.

Well now it's three for Kili. And I am sure that Ang will see the sense in swapping one Dwarf for another with his vote. If so, you can save Belladonna by voting for Kili.

And as an added sweetener, I will pledge to join you in your quest to vote off Tom tomorrow. With Dwarfish numbers down, I will be happy to pare the Trolls down to one. Much as I like them, two does seem rather indulgent.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by SpM

you can save Belladonna by voting for Kili.

and vise versa!

++Belladonna Took

Fili and Kili are teh best of the Dwarven tribe. These are of young, strong stock, ones capable of taking over from the deseesed Balin and leading teh Dwarven race toward unparrallelled successes. If it's a Dwarf you want, take the incompitent Bombur, all he thinks of is food and sleep. (He is the one vote that i could actually sanction in good conscience).

[arcticstorm]

I believe that it will be reshuffled as so
Children/adoptees of Illuvitar
Elrond
Fili
Kili
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer
Bombur
Gloin

Abominations/creatures
Smaug
Tom
Bert
Roac
Eagle Lord
Chief Warg

as for my vote, i am voting for the hobbit woman as i know she will com e int he way of my final choice for victory, but i will not give you a naem because that wouldbe too hasty

++Miss Took

[Glirdan]

All those are good ideas. But I was trying to do a final merging. Unless you would all perfer to wait until there's only eight left.

--Tom
++KIili

I completely agree with Saucy that there are to many Dwarves and we can defintely be rid of one of the twins.

[Kuruharan]

I am, in fact, not prejudiced against any race in particular.

Ah-ah-ah. This is utter nonsense. Your activities have had a disproportionately negative impact on one particular race. That would qualify under the definition for many of the professors under whom I have studied. In fact, they would be apoplectic.

I'm surprised your loyerly training even allowed you to make such a statement.

rather than the all-Dwarf final that you no doubt hope for.

On the contrary, I could tell from the beginning that no dwarf would win this thing. There were too many of them in the beginning (and this included a number of rather strange entrants in my opinion). This would set people against them from the start and certain people could be counted on to carry this out to extremes *cough*Elu Ancalime*cough* (among others). The momentum against them would ultimately prove insurmountable, everyone would have just gotten into the habit by the end.

So, being ever the realist, I decided to run some numbers and I scientifically calculated (using geological and scatological methods) that Belladonna Took was a shoe in for the victory. I remain confident because it should now be painfully apparent to even the most rabid dwarfist that their unreasoning crusade is not going to gain any traction this day. If they wish to cast a meaningful vote, they are going to have to come up for air from the watery depths of their obsessions and make a decision.

If you are really so interested in balance, then you should switch your vote to Tom because, since this is Hobbit survivor, it is only just to give them the greatest chance of winning in the end (especially given the fact they were rather underrepresented in the beginning). At this moment this means saving two hobbits.

[Anguirel]

Why, Kuru, you writhe in desperation...

--GLOIN, ++KILI

I'm in, Saucey, though I bet you targetted Fili not Kili just to irritate me...

EDIT: I meant "Kili not Fili". That rather proves our point...

[Lalaith]

Kuru, I'm sorry to do what I have to do now, to save Belladonna, and you have my word that not another dwarf will I vote to evict unless absolutely necessary. I have no axe to grind against that ancient and noble race - you will see that I could not bring myself to vote against the kindly Balin, even when Belladonna was in danger.
Ang, I will hold you to your pledge vis a vis Tom, tomorrow, and may you drown under a deluge of neg reps if you play me false.
--tom
++KILI

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Kili
Which will also answer the question of
can one twin survive without the other.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Ah-ah-ah. This is utter nonsense. Your activities have had a disproportionately negative impact on one particular race. That would qualify under the definition for many of the professors under whom I have studied.

You are unfortunately mistaken, my dear fellow. I have nothing against Dwarves per se. I am just against a disproportionate number of Dwarves remaining in the contest. Ergo, I am not prejudiced against Dwarves, but simply seeking to maintain some kind of balance to the contest. As one who is concerned about ratings, you will no doubt appreciate that the majority of viewers will turn off in their droves if the final comprises solely Dwarves. Continued high ratings depend on appealing to the entire viewer demographic, not just those who happen to be Dwarves.

In any event, assuming a Dwarf goes today, I will be content to leave the remaining three alone - for now at least.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'm in, Saucey, though I bet you targetted Fili not Kili just to irritate me...

EDIT: I meant "Kili not Fili". That rather proves our point...

Oh, sorry Ang. I genuinely thought that I had chosen your least preferred "-ili". Not that it matters, surely. They are, as I have said, pretty much interchangeable.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ang, I will hold you to your pledge vis a vis Tom, tomorrow, and may you drown under a deluge of neg reps if you play me false.

Actually, Lal, the pledge was mine. And I will hold to it, provided that Kili goes today.

[Kuruharan]

Tsk! In this game dwarves comprised the "at risk" (to use the technical term) population. You (among others) have exploited this to the uttermost.

Exploitation of at risk population=discrimination.

I'm afraid the conclusion is rather inescapable, no matter how you try to spin it. You may as well stop trying, you're not fooling anyone.

(And before you attempt to bring it up, majority populations have been "at risk" many times in the past so you don't have a leg to stand on in pleading "but there were so many of them.")

As far as ratings go, the ratings will be just fine so long as Belladonna Took is in the final. I believe she is the one I have been promoting for some time. This suggests (I realize you and a few others may have missed it) that I have not been shooting for an all dwarf final, as I have been repeatedly accused. I personally don't have any intention of voting against any dwarves, but I don't have to. I have unwitting pawns to do all that dirty work for me while I have fun stirring the pot. They have been most cooperative, as you can tell. Belladonna is still here and another dwarf is gone. As Darth Sidious would say, "Everything is going as I have foreseen."

Of course, I said this already. However, why pay attention to what I say when you can pretend that I have said what you wanted to see and then proceed from there.

Isn't it about time for an expulsion?

[Lalaith]

Whoops, sorry Saucie. Careless reading. It's usually Ang who offers the deals, you see.
However the sentiments remain the same.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Tsk! In this game dwarves comprised the "at risk" (to use the technical term) population.

Far from being at risk, the Dwarves have, throughout the show, held the advantage by virtue of their numbers. It is the fair-minded among us who have voted for them, with a view to evening things up. I discriminate not against Dwarves, but against those who have firmly had the upper hand throughout, in the interests of balance.

But I wouldn't expect a balanced view in this game from a Dwarf ...

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I believe she is the one I have been promoting for some time. This suggests (I realize you and a few others may have missed it) that I have not been shooting for an all dwarf final, as I have been repeatedly accused.

Come now. Your attempt at reverse psychology is fooling no one.

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Isn't it about time for an expulsion?

The Island seems to be located in some mysterious region where the length of the day varies from one day to the next. If nothing else, it at least heightens the unpredictability.

[Kuruharan]

Far from being at risk, the Dwarves have, throughout the show, held the advantage by virtue of their numbers.

That is what landed them in the "at risk" category. It made it certain that people would persecute them. But I believe I already answered this. You are evidently not really reading my posts and are just assuming what you want to see is there.

Come now. Your attempt at reverse psychology is fooling no one.

Good. One more layer in Belladonna Took's invincible armor. People think I'm trying to trick them, so they won't vote for her. Her cause looks stronger and stronger. (Apparently, I'm so cunning that I can bamboozle people without even trying... )

However, you've just given me an amusing idea. No matter what happens now, I'll be able to gloat insufferably. If Belladonna gets voted off (which is not going to happen) I'll be able to say, "HA, you witless fools you fell for my evil plan!!! BAWH-HAWH-HAWH-HAWH!!!" When Belladonna wins I'll be able to say, "HA!! Victory is mine...I mean hers!!! I predicted this hundreds of posts ago!!!"

I'd like to thank you for showing me that I'm in a win-win situation. It is so nice to see other people looking out for your interests.

Telegram for Everybody Else: When the gloating begins you can blame the Saucepan Man.

[Anguirel]

Kuru, you are assuming that Belladonna, if not evicted, is a dead cert for victory on the last day of positive votes for the winner.

For reasons of my own, I beg to differ. I have no wish to evict little Lucrezia Longbottom but my support will be elsewhere on the final Day.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

That is what landed them in the "at risk" category.

All contestants are at risk of being voted off. That's kind of the point of the show.

Are they at greater risk of being voted off than other contestants? As a group, yes. As individual Dwarves, no (again by virtue of their numbers). They are in an individual competition, so this can hardly form any basis for complaint. It is up to each individual Dwarf to persuade the viewers that they deserve to stay. Some have managed to achieve that so far.

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

You are evidently not really reading my posts and are just assuming what you want to see is there.

I could say the same. Listen very carefully, for I shall say this only once (more). I have not been voting against Dwarves because I have any irrational dislike of Dwarvenkind. I have been voting against them because, throughout the show, they have significantly outnumbered the other categories of contestant. My aim, therefore, has been to even things up and thereby produced a more balanced show (for the benefit of the viewing public's enjoyment and, thus, the show's ratings).

Given that there are solid rational and reasonable grounds to support my voting pattern vis a vis the Dwarves, it can hardly be described as discriminatory or prejudicial, in the sense that those words are normally used (which implies an element of irrational dislike or hatred, based on age, race, sex etc).

You, on the other hand, have been persistently voting against Tom for the last few days simply because he is a Troll. And you accuse me of prejudice ....??!!!

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

No matter what happens now, I'll be able to gloat insufferably.

And you expect us to believe that you wouldn't have found a way to do so in any event?

It is quite clear (whatever you may say after the event) that you desperately want a Dwarf to win. Otherwise, why the unjustified, slanderous and assault against those of us who have been voting for Dwarves? Methinks the Dwarf doth protest too much.

But I take comfort in your evident discomfort at the fast reducing Dwarfish population.

[Lalaith]

Can I just intrude briefly into this angels-on-a-pinhead sophistry to remind you all, the tally currently stands (I think) at:
Belladonna 6,
Kili 7
and Tom 2.