Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[the guy who be short]

When the Curséd Villager dies, their role shall not be revealed. Instead, I will merely state that an Ordinary Villager / Werewolf (whatever state the Curséd One is in at the time) has died.

People will not be automatically killed if they miss very short Days when votes are cast quickly, obviously. This only happens if the Day is close to 24 hours, or if somebody misses two middle-sized (about 12 hours) Days.

Anymore questions will be:-
1) Groaned at.
2) Looked at.
3) Agonised over.
4) Answered in a PM.
5) Answered here.

[Firefoot]

TGWBS, I said before that I'd run a fruitstand since a healer was already taken. It was at the start of some other stuff so that's probably why you missed it.

[the guy who be short]

*There is a dull thud as TGWBS bangs his head on his desk.*

Sorry, Firefoot. To a fourth edit I go!

Also:
I have been asked about my visibility. It makes no difference whether a Mod is online or not as they are not actually in the game, so I'm just going to stay online.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by TGWBS

I have been asked about my visibility. It makes no difference whether a Mod is online or not as they are not actually in the game, so I'm just going to stay online.

TGWBS, you should be in Invisible Mode too as otherwise players may see you PM'ing another player at an inopportune time.

[the guy who be short]

Whoops.

*Turns invisible*

Thank you, SpM.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TGWBS, you should be in Invisible Mode too as otherwise players may see you PM'ing another player at an inopportune time.

But people can't see who he's PMing, can they? I know that when I look at the Who's Online list, I can only see that someone is "Private Messaging", but that's it. Or is that a Mod/Admin perk?

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

But people can't see who he's PMing, can they?

You're right. My mistake. It is only Admins who can see who people are PM'ing. Nevetheless, it is still better that the moderator stays in invisible mode too, since it is possible that his or her PM'ing activities could give rise to suspicion.

[the phantom]

Can we call the seer "The Malbeth", call the ranger "the hunter" again, allow the wolves and shirriffs to pm all the time, call the shirriffs "the guys who be secret", have a scribe character, allow people to strongly hint at but not mention other games, have a rule that automatically kills people who don't post every ten minutes, and outlaw the invisibility mode so we can see who is pming and when?

Oh, and I also think that after someone is killed they should come on this thread and post something that would affect the game. That would be fun.

Let's go ahead and make all those changes before the current game gets rolling- go ahead and repost all the rules, TGWBS, and announce that all the explanations given up until now no longer stand so everyone needs to ask their questions again.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, and I also think that after someone is killed they should come on this thread and post something that would effect the game. That would be fun.

I would also be a load of fun if they posted something that would affect the game.

[the phantom]

I really don't care.

But I suppose I can change it if it bothers you.

You do realize that I wouldn't have made an edit for anyone else?

And you'd better not answer me back. We've nearly been banned from being in a game together and I'm sure the two of us cluttering up this thread will make Saucy or someone pull the trigger.

[The Saucepan Man]

... and I'm sure the two of us cluttering up this thread will make Saucy or someone pull the trigger

Consider my finger to be well and truly on the trigger ...

While a game is in progress, there should be very little reason for anyone to post on this thread other than the game moderator posting responses to sensible PMs seeking clarification.

Capiche?

[The Saucepan Man]

A small request.

I will be away travelling for most of this week - returning on Thursday night (hence my non-participation in the current game).

If recruiting for the next game commences while I am away but the game will not start until Thursday night or later, please count me in.

Thanks

[Mithalwen]

Although I yielded the field to Eomer, I am still keen to moderate a game if the BW permits, however you migh want to see what I have planned before you commit to it since I am not into all this democracy re deciding rules - and I am unaminous in that

[Mithalwen]

Although I yielded the field to Eomer, I am still keen to moderate a game if the BW permits, however you might want to see what I have planned before you commit to it since I am not into all this democracy re deciding rules - and I am unaminous in that ... But I will try to be a thinking tyrant....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like to express public interest in moderating one of the games as well. Not necessarily the next, as I think Mith would do a fantastic job, but maybe the one after.

[Firefoot]

I'd like to moderate a game sometime as well... it would have to be before September, though, as I'd be too busy. But it seems that if I don't express interest now the wait would get too long.

[Gil-Galad]

hmmm... maybe i can get involved? i can make a job or yo ucan give me one, what ever...(yes i can be a townsfolk...maybe sell Shrubbery...)

[the guy who be short]

What's this? Recruitment for the next game... with nine villagers still alive? You people must be desperate for your next fix!

Ahem. Count me in. I need my Wolfy...

[The Saucepan Man]

What's this? Recruitment for the next game... with nine villagers still alive?

Well, I was only putting my bid in because I will be away with limited internet access for the next four days.

But it has just occurred to me that I will only be back for a week before going away again on holiday for two weeks, so I may have to sit the next few games out.

Looks like Mithalwen will be moderating the next game, followed by Fea and then Firefoot (or should that be footie ).

[Gil-Galad]

K i'll be a French Undertaker, mainly cause i want to spurt insults once and awhile... well if i can't be french i'll just be the undertaker then...

[Mithalwen]

As I stated to SPM , IF I am moderating - it is going to be a bit different -mainly because I want to see how things will go by changing / reinstating certain factors - so I will post HOW it is going to be and then you join if you wish to play under those terms.

I don't want people signing up and then whining cos they don't like being used as labrats... Also with 9 living - you are jumping the gun.

Therfore wait and see.

BTW I made the error of actually following instructions and PMing the BW while Eomer launched a public campaign lol...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm such a heel...

Actually I did PM the Barrow-wight last time, it's just that his internet access was irregular at the time and he couldn't respond quickly. Unwilling to lose the chance, I made it public.

I know Mith will do a brilliant job. By the way, this Brit stranglehold on the Werewolf game is reminding me of the Scottish stranglehold on Westminister.


PS: Mith, ignore my last PM: 'twas belated, I see.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

With such an interest in these games I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps it might not make sense to run more than one game at a time. I don't know about anyone else but the prospect of a 20-person village seems a bit monstrous. I found keeping up with a 14 person village taxing enough. More games run on more modest scales will also allow more people to moderate (me too! me too!) and might even allow more variability among the games.

At any rate, that's my tuppence.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Fordim Hedgethistle

With such an interest in these games I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps it might not make sense to run more than one game at a time. I don't know about anyone else but the prospect of a 20-person village seems a bit monstrous. I found keeping up with a 14 person village taxing enough. More games run on more modest scales will also allow more people to moderate (me too! me too!) and might even allow more variability among the games.

At any rate, that's my tuppence.

I've been thinking along the same lines. If there is suffiicient interest I say we have a go at two games at once. I myself have no interest in moderating a game, but would rather play.

[Mithalwen]

Ideally I will have 12 players (excluding me).

[Gil-Galad]

I'm confused...so am i in it or not?

[Kuruharan]

With such an interest in these games I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps it might not make sense to run more than one game at a time. I don't know about anyone else but the prospect of a 20-person village seems a bit monstrous. I found keeping up with a 14 person village taxing enough. More games run on more modest scales will also allow more people to moderate (me too! me too!) and might even allow more variability among the games.

At any rate, that's my tuppence.

Shouldn't we wait until The Barrow-Wight approves this before we start making plans?

(Eru forbid that we actually wait until the current game is over before we start planning the next one. )

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

(Eru forbid that we actually wait until the current game is over before we start planning the next one. )

LOL- But personally, I don't think there is any harm in putting out ideas.
For instance, IF The Barrow-wight approves two games, I suggest trimming them down to 12 hours. With the games starting one at ?o'clock A.M. and the other 12 hours later at P.M. . That way games go a little quicker and one can choose which fits their schedule better. Anyway, just a thought. And I want to be one of Mithalwen's labrats!!

EDIT: Okay, I just realized this will only work for the first time, since the two games might have different number of players, kill off people sooner than the other village and so forth....

[Kuruharan]

But personally, I don't think there is any harm in putting out ideas.

Yeah, but might it be just a little bit rude, since people who are enrolled in the current game are not supposed to be posting in this thread, for the rest of us to be talking over their heads like this?

[Holbytlass]

Ah, forgot about that one, me good dwarve. My apologies. Always forgetting something!

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

I'm confused...so am i in it or not?

If I am permitted to moderate, I will post my game proposal and if you are agreable you may enlist.

Since I have not received official clearance, and the current game is still going apace... recruitment is premature.

I propose keeping the 24 hr system for my own convenience but hope by having a small number of COMMITTED players the game will move fast.

SO really I only want for this game people who are going to be available to post for the expected timespan of the game. SO I will take a look at the state of play and calculate arealistic timescale.

SpM only posted becasue he knew he would be away.
Since he is likely to be back before I make my recruitment drive, I will say now that as faras I am concerned (and to be brutally honest - if I am the mod...it is my opinion that counts!!!) - recruiting has not started... so no one is yet in

[Gil-Galad]

So you'll let me know when i can get into the game... it seems like alot of fun and i wouldn't mind being apart of it

[Mithalwen]

Apart may be all to true... I am awaiting confirmation from the powers that be and then ...we will be ready to roll ...... It will be a little different ....

update.....

Well WW4 has ended witha victory for the villagers. I have not received confirmation for the go ahead yet. However I will be ready .....

[Kuruharan]

Are you planning on allowing any sort of discussion on possible rule changes at all?

[Cailín]

I read along with the entire last game and you play this game intense! Way better than some of the other forums I visit every once in a while.

Where do I sign up?

[mormegil]

I was wondering how everybody felt about the wolves inability to communicate during the DAY time hours? Obviously it helped the villagers but does anybody feel that it limited their ability too much?

[the guy who be short]

I presumed that was how it was played last game too. Certainly it makes much more sense (it's more realistic, if you can call a game involving werewolves realistic).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Obviously it helped the villagers but does anybody feel that it limited their ability too much?

I would think, that since the werewolves know who each other are, that they could look for clues in the posts themselves. Since other people wouldn't necessarily pick up on a lot of hints being given off (*cough*), that they would be fairly safe to do so, and it would allow for 24 hour communication. At least... that's what I'd be doing.

[Kuruharan]

One issue I feel needs to be addressed is the number of times somebody can announce that they are going to be absent from the game. I think there should be a cap on the number of times this can be done. I think one time is reasonable. If you are going to be gone more than that you should run the risk of falling foul of the automatic lynching rule.

If somebody is not going to be available a bunch, then they should not enroll in the first place (as I believe has been said a number of times before). It destabilizes the game.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The trouble with that, Kuru, is that sometimes DAYs run unexpectedly short, which messes up the entire time schedule. With Friday, I was gone the entire day, and that was entirely unavoidable. The reason that I was absent most of Saturday is because DAY started in the afternoon, not the morning, and I was only home for the morning. TGWBS knew I was around because I was PMing him with my kill-lists, but nobody else did, because I couldn't be on for the DAY hours. Sunday was similar, although I did sneak in once or twice. If you can't guarantee the exact hours of the DAY and NIGHT, then it's hard to guarantee your ability to be there at the appropriate times. Hence some rushed PMs going something like "Oh shoot... I have to leave and DAY just started. Kill LMP if I die. Bye."