Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Mithalwen]

I am beginning to get very leery as he puts it of Boromir... but it may just be paranoia..... but that wpould be a throwaway... eeek I share Macs feeling that Issy seems least likely from a group dynamic but....

[Nerwen]

Um... Fea, would you mind sharing your reasons for voting me this time? Just for the sake of formality, you know.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I see he's just voted Izzy– it would be quite a coup if a Borowolf managed to get the village to lynch all the CoD voters, wouldn't it? Even better than the Shasta affair...

That what keeps on creeping me out about him, too.

Sure it's not you?

Nope

[Isabellkya]

Nog, Shasta I won't be voting for, for obvious reasons.
Mac I won't vote for, because I think him innocent.
Boro, He looks more innocent than wolf; though he is sneaky.
Mith, Fea I could, but as an alternative I suppose.

Which leaves me with you Nerwen, for previous reasons and gut feeling, as well as self-survival; since I have to leave right after this post and there fore won't be around for about the last half hour until deadline.

++Nerwen

[Mithalwen]

So is that Nerwen 3 Isabelllkya 1

Really don't think Nerwen is bluffing .. is there a third way today?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Which leaves me with you Nerwen, for previous reasons and gut feeling, as well as self-survival; since I have to leave right after this post and there fore won't be around for about the last half hour until deadline.

++Nerwen

That's fine... I've just had confirmation that I will have to drop out.

Ummm... did your "previous reasons" include that? Or did you think I was bluffing?

EDIT: X'd with Mithalwen.

[Mithalwen]

Are you sure Nerwen cos I owuld try to save you else? If it is certain at least it will be damage limitation up to a point.

[Nerwen]

Well, this is it. Good night and good luck.

A last suggestion (to the village in general): try to pin people down on why they're voting for me. Might be instructive.

EDIT: X'd with Mith

[Mithalwen]

Damn.... care to cast a vote before you go?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Are you sure Nerwen cos I owuld try to save you else? If it is certain at least it will be damage limitation up to a point.

Hmmn... where have I heard that one before? Oh wait... last game.

Yes, I'm sure.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I guess my tone was a little off there.
It was not meant personally either. You know me.

*curses second language-dom*

Oops... sorry, must be my tone is actually off. I laughed when I read it. Really, I do understand. I'd kill myself first day if I was playing against me. Every time. Stupid not feeling good messing with my communication skills.

I'm actually trying to write a poem about something insubstantial right now. Like the way birdcages hold water. I'm failing miserably. Anyway, don't worry: I really didn't take offense, and didn't mean to give any back.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Um... Fea, would you mind sharing your reasons for voting me this time? Just for the sake of formality, you know

I have a poem due at 3:30. I needed somebody to vote for that enough other people found suspicious that I wouldn't be overly concerned I was accidentally, in my haste, voting for somebody innocent, because I'm not the only one, in that case, who'd been fooled. I mean, my bad if you're innocent and all, but enough people think you're guilty that I didn't feel bad going back to my homework and not thinking about the game anymore.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hmmn... where have I heard that one before? Oh wait... last game.

Yes, I'm sure.

Ah well ....

[Mithalwen]

++ Boromir.

I feel manipulated or paranoid

[Durelin]

Day 6 has ended.

Nerwen has been lynched. She was an Ordinary Innocent.

Night 7 has begun.



~The Dead~

Leonard Nimoy (Half-Vulcan) ~ illogically murdered by the wolves
CaptainofDespair (Wererat) ~ Crushed on Day 1 to reveal his Dark Side
Day One (Evil Wizard) ~ Brought down alongside the might of Cluny the Scourge
Kath (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Tortured and ripped apart by the wolves on Night 2
Gwathagor (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Assassinated by con-goers on Day 2.
Brinniel (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Made really dead on Night 3.
satansaloser2005 (Werewolf) ~ Day 3
Rikae (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Night 4
Lalwendë (Cobbler) ~ Day 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Seer) ~ Night 5
McCaber (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Day 5
Nerwen (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Day 6


~The Living~

Feanor of the Peredhil - Rabid Cosmo fan and TOS-TNG Trekkie with opinions
Boromir88 - Fireworks Pyro and Sean Bean's #1 fan
Nogrod - "Spore" anticipator who wants to play Eru
Shastanis Althreduin - Rabid Hermione Fan-wizard
Mithalwen - Confused hardcore Tolkienista who thought she was going to Oxonmoot
Isabellkya - Rabid fan of Vampire Princess Miyu
Macalaure - "Civilization" fan with Machiavellian tendencies

[Durelin]

Night 7 has ended.

Nogrod has been killed. He was an Ordinary Innocent.

Day 7 has begun.



~The Dead~

Leonard Nimoy (Half-Vulcan) ~ illogically murdered by the wolves
CaptainofDespair (Wererat) ~ Crushed on Day 1 to reveal his Dark Side
Day One (Evil Wizard) ~ Brought down alongside the might of Cluny the Scourge
Kath (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Tortured and ripped apart by the wolves on Night 2
Gwathagor (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Assassinated by con-goers on Day 2.
Brinniel (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Made really dead on Night 3.
satansaloser2005 (Werewolf) ~ Day 3
Rikae (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Night 4
Lalwendë (Cobbler) ~ Day 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Seer) ~ Night 5
McCaber (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Day 5
Nerwen (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Day 6
Nogrod (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Night 7


~The Living~

Feanor of the Peredhil - Rabid Cosmo fan and TOS-TNG Trekkie with opinions
Boromir88 - Fireworks Pyro and Sean Bean's #1 fan
Shastanis Althreduin - Rabid Hermione Fan-wizard
Mithalwen - Confused hardcore Tolkienista who thought she was going to Oxonmoot
Isabellkya - Rabid fan of Vampire Princess Miyu
Macalaure - "Civilization" fan with Machiavellian tendencies

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I know I'm innocent. I know Shasta's innocent.

I've been quite certain all game (this may be a truly tragic mistake) that Mac and Mith are innocent.

I'm willing to assume for the day that Boromir is innocent. Ish. I hope. *crosses fingers for luck*

That a little bit narrows it down, don't you think?

[Mithalwen]

Well I was beginning to give up on you and Boro being ordos since you have both been .... not quite yourselves.. .and the people I suspected fail to be wolves time after time... :S

However Boro not voting Nerwen after his silence counts for a lot. So much easier to go with the flow.

What can I say, my lack of trust is largely due to my knowledge of your abilities.

It worries me that Mac has failed to ring alarm bells at all. But that is my paranoia.

I am innocent.

Looks bad for Issy on this reckoning.

I wish Shasta was able to participate more as our last seerdreamt innocent.

Clearly as Nogrod died he was the ranger save before. I hope that the ranger had the wit not to protect Shasta last night (knowing Nogrod would surely be the victim) and can so proctect him tonight if we can't finish it now.

[Boromir88]

Paranoia Mith. I may be ruthless, twist the knife in the back, and manipulative as a wolf, but I still stick to certain codes of decency and I would not be unethical in my manipulation.

I may be clinically insane during my time here in this village, but I'm not bluffing. You don't believe me, have the guts to pull the latch and be done with me. It won't bring an end to this. Make a choice and have the nerve to execute and stand by that choice.

Izzy, as Fea has said, nothing personal dear, you were my choice based on a process of elimination. I may vote for you today, I may not, it will depend on what I conclude about Fea.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm here... well, sort of. I'm actually going to work (bad DL! bad!) and will be back in three hours; I should have about two hours then if nothing comes up before rehearsal, and then I should have a little bit of time after rehearsal.

Right now I think I'd like to look at Mac and Izzy the most. I have my gut telling me to trust Mith, and Boro and Fea haven't really set off any alarms for me since oh, Day 3 or so.

[Macalaure]

My thoughts keep on going in circles...

Unless we have a successful ranger again in one of the next two nights, we only have two more chances to get it right.

Fea: I will assume she's innocent for toDay (unless somebody gives a really convincing case, or she does something really suspicious). Tomorrow I will consider her seriously, though.

Boro: Creeps. Me. Out.

Mith:

It worries me that Mac has failed to ring alarm bells at all.

That is actually pretty much what I could say about you, too. If you're a wolf, you almost deserve to win because you're playing it so smoothly. I doubt it though (for toDay, of course).

Izzy: The plain evidence looks worst for her, but I still have a bad feeling about voting her.


So there we are. Shall I vote for Boro just because he's creepy? I need a new idea from somewhere.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Shall I vote for Boro just because he's creepy?

I know, right? It's between Boro and Izzy for me today. Boro because he creeps me out, Izzy because after Boro, I'm out of suspects.

[Isabellkya]

Boro seems sincere in what he claims, but as Mith I think has said - him and Fea could get bold/crazy when a bored Ordo.

Mac is starting to make my skin itch.. because I don't think anyone has analyzed him yet, and he looks so darn innocent.

You'd be wasting your time lynching me.
The game would not end.

[Isabellkya]

Now I'm re-thinking Mith as a wolf - based on comments made from other people; most dead now.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Fea

I'm willing to assume for the day that Boromir is innocent.

Originally Posted by Fea

It's between Boro and Izzy for me today.

Hmmm? Now that came kind of unexpected.

Mac is starting to make my skin itch.. because I don't think anyone has analyzed him yet

That actually makes my skin itch. I don't know how many people said they wanted to analyze me, some said it even twice, but nobody has done it so far. In fact, apart from Day1, the person who suspected me most was.... me!

Somebody analyze me already.

[Isabellkya]

Mac briefly -

I had looked at your voting, and it seems like on a few occasions you are in prime 'bandwagon' spot. As in a Wolf hopping on.
You've even pointed out that - I remember for two separate days; that the split voting was a very good way to give the wolves the power for that day.

Your voting for Sally, you weren't responsible for her death. I think that is more of in Nog's hands, for putting her at four - mainly to save himself I think.

I wonder if, you were wishing you had had some kind of suspicion voiced on the thread towards Nog[ beforehand, then you could've possibly saved Sally.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Hmmm? Now that came kind of unexpected.

I was fine with ignoring him until he said:

Originally Posted by B88

You don't believe me, have the guts to pull the latch and be done with me. It won't bring an end to this. Make a choice and have the nerve to execute and stand by that choice.

It seemed so knee-jerky. Just a little weird, you know? Like he's daring Mith to respond. Taunting.

Anyway, I'm quite happy with lynching either of the two I mentioned.

[Boromir88]

I think Fea's claimed to be everything in this village except a wolf, just throwing that out there.

Mac, I said I was going to have a look at you, but haven't done it because honestly it would take way too much of my time...really do you have to blabber so much? Anyway, I felt like what's the point when I'm already biased into thinking you're innocent and came to the conclusion long ago you were innocent, thus it would be a giant waste of my time. If you're a wolf, I guess I'm screwed.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think Fea's claimed to be everything in this village except a wolf, just throwing that out there.

Hunny, you're definitely miscounting.

I said I was the seer, forgot we had a cobbler until the day we killed Lal, am barely aware we have a ranger, and I'm pretty sure I might have hinted in my first post that I was a wolf. Or something close to it.

But I definitely have only actually claimed to be the seer (whilst admitting at the same time I wasn't the real seer) and an ordo (which I am).

[Boromir88]

But I definitely have only actually claimed to be the seer (whilst admitting at the same time I wasn't the real seer) and an ordo (which I am).~Fea

If I were to believe you, I guess that would really narrow the options down. Are you sure you didn't allude to being the ranger once?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If I were to believe you, I guess that would really narrow the options down. Are you sure you didn't allude to being the ranger once?

If I did, it was unintentional. If I was the ranger, I wouldn't have let Nilp die.

[Boromir88]

Let me start with Izzy, because of the people remaining, she's got the fewest posts...

Day 1:

Post 47 - Her first post, there's a little bit of IC talk, but there are some of Izzy's thoughts.

Thinks Rikae would say she was an ordo even if she wasn't (probably true). After Rikae casts a vote for sally, Rikae thinks she should listen to Shasta more, and Izzy asks if Rikae would vote for herself if Shasta voted for her. Izzy, was this early banter or your reaction to wolf partner sally getting a vote?

Also, says she thinks Fea is trying to bait people (which was also probably true).


Post 82 -

Says she could see Shasta revenge voting for me and asks if Shasta and I had been in a village since my nasty trick. Which someone answered correctly, no.

Izzy sympathizes with Brin, about being accused while not being around to defend yourself, but also says she doesn't think Mac's only reason wasn't because Brin wouldn't be around for the dead line.

Post 103 -

Thinks Shasta's vote (for me) could be good cover for a wolf/starting a wolf bandwagon, but doesn't think Shasta would be that risky as a Day 1 wolf. With no prior knowledge/indication, says she's casting a throw away vote for CoD.

This vote is interesting, she ties CoD with me (at 2 votes). There seemed to be a bit of confusion with the wording "throw away vote," which has been cleared up, and I don't think that's important. But, the question is would Izzy vote for wolf-CoD if she was a wolf?

Overall, Izzy played Day 1 pretty cautiously. She didn't really accuse anyone, she is very agreeable and defends almost everyone she mentions. When she votes, it's for CoD, with no prior statements on what she thinks about him. Slightly wolvish, it could be a wolf trying stay out of trouble on Day 1, and thus votes for wolf-buddy CoD, knowing he won't strike back and cast the attention towards her. Or, it's a common Day 1 ordo who really didn't find anyone that suspicious on Day 1. Also, as cautious as she had been playing, her vote looks rather uncautious. Eventhough it was only CoD's 2nd vote, it tied him with me, and it came close to the deadline (less than 20 minutes to go).

Day 2 -

Post 160-

My voting on CoD was pretty darn random. I was trying to make a vote while trying to get out the door at the same time. His voting of Day One stood out in my mind the most, so I figured heh why not.

This seems a little strange. Izzy, trying to make it look like your vote wasn't anything more than simply a random pick as you were rushing out the door?

Says Kath's death was probably and attempt at a clean kill, and I'm not sure what she was trying to get at when she asked me about the last village I was in:

Boro when you duped the others when claiming false Rangership, who is it you were trying to kill when Shasta protected them? Wasn't it Kath?

Trying to steer suspicion towards me, because Kath ends up killed on Day 1 and that's what we (my fellow wolves and I) attempted last time I was a wolf?

Post 194 -

Says Shasta got baited by Fea and she wants to take a look at Nogrod, sally, and me. Nogrod and me because we were acting pretty buddy-buddy. She did end up explaining why she thought that. And sally, because of her saying she would leave CoD alone, but still going back to harp on the point.

So, now with two wolves left, if Izzy were a wolf, would she throw sally under the bus too at this stage? Sally's reaction towards CoD had been mentioned by a couple people before, so Izzy could be a wolf showing support for that idea (at the same time while trying to steer the focus somewhere else - towards Nogrod and me), or it's ordinary innocent who agreed with the things brought up against sally.

Post 204-

Is an analysis on Nogrod and sally. Thinks Nogrod was shopping around for votes against Gwath, brings up the open interactions between Nogrod and me, and didn't like the way Nogrod said wolves can hide better in random "I hate Day 1 votes."

Izzy comes out fairly aggressive against sally. This point seems a little odd:

Overall, I think there is more banter and joking around than there is discussion. But I think it is just how she is, so can't call her wolfy just because of that. I could, but that would just be silly.

It's the old "suspect/defend" trick. The only problem is the reason wolves love to use it, is because most ordo's vacillate back and forth as they try to think through/solve the puzzle. So, how do you distinguish a wolf, who is trying to say "yes that looks suspcious, but..." and an innocent genuinely trying to figure it out?

However, as I said above, Izzy did come out pretty aggressive against sally...besides just going back and repeating everything about sally's reactions towards CoD, she adds new stuff:

If you can't in 'good conscience' vote for someone, then why would you put them on your vote list?
It seems to me, that the reasons for her vote list, are stretched and forced.
In #125 when you were still considering your vote, you said it was because of Nog's post #123. That he was speaking the truth. Were you considering because you agreed with what he said about Brin, or because you were waiting for him to make his vote?

Post 233 -

Votes for Nogrod after saying in 204 she would probably not vote for him, but she would be watching him. Ok, this is what looks strange, Izzy, you went after sally pretty good, but didn't follow up by voting for her on Day 2. At the time you voted, there was 1 vote for Gwath, Fea, and Mith, you decided to add Nogrod into the mix.

This is going to look extremely hypocritical of me, because not 2 days ago I said I probably wouldn't vote for McCaber, and an hour later I voted for him. But, after your sally and Nogrod analysis, you didn't post anything else about your thoughts on those two. What changed that made end up voting for someone you said you probably wouldn't be voting for? Why did you decide to add Nogrod to the "list" and not sally?

Day 3 -

Post 281 -

Wonders why Brin was killed and I believe this was referring to Nogrod, although Izzy doesn't make that clear. Huh?

I wonder what it says about a person; who's top two suspects for at least a day and a half - both turn out ordo.

And in her next post (283) she asks Lal why she's so certain the wolves are after her.

Post 316 - is when she asks me if I usually mimic words and phrases of others. I really don't know the point of that question. I did, and I'm sure I've done it before, it's not really a conscious effort on my part.

In 320 she responds to Rikae who said she didn't like Izzy's poking. This is a reason I'm worried about Izzy:

I'm not sure how analyzing Nog's and Sally's posts for a day and a half is considered poking.

It is a legitimate question which I posed to Boro.

You put Nilp on your naughty list for copying arguments, yet I don't see Boro there for that reason as well.

Seems a little over the top. I don't imagine Rikae was referring to your post on Nogrod and sally, but more about your activity on that day. Your short little posts asking Lal questions, and the question towards me. I like using questions, but I'm really not sure how that one was legitimate.

That's why I thought Izzy was saying I was a copying, or implying as if I wasn't coming up with any original ideas. Hence, my response in 328

Izzy, I've been after Lal since Day 1, and I disagreed with Mac and Nogrod's suspicions against Brin, and I wondered whether the wolves thought Brin was the seer...I don't know how I'm copying everyone's arguments.

And her response to my response...

To Boro:

I didn't say everyone. I suppose it is more phrasings used when making an argument. Either way, it rang bells to see "what the heck's" used two posts after I used them, in conjunction with the same person - when I don't recall seeing them before that.

This is the time (starting with Rikae saying she was poking) where I think Izzy looks like an over-reaction.

I mean when you look at it, all Rikae said was she didn't like Izzy's "poking", but besides just defending how she is not "poking" she manages to accuse 3 people in a span of a few sentences.

She says Nilp is copying arguments (based on Rikae's thoughts), lumps me in the same category as Nilp, and since Rikae did mention me with Nilp, she accuses Rikae. Now, this isn't Izzy saying "I suspect so and so, because of blah blah," but it looks like a defensive reaction to throw 3 people under the bus in a relatively short period.

Post 359 -

Says she'd probably vote either Nogrod or sally, possibly Nilp. Thinks Lal is comedic and she really could be anything.

Post 377 -

Says she's in a hurry and ends up voting for Nogrod. This is another suspicious looking vote. At this time, Mith had 2 votes, Nogrod, sally, and Lalwende had 1. She ties Nogrod with sally...was this an attempt to save your buddy?

That's all I really care to do, I really need to get some sleep, so if anyone wants to make me happy they could finish looking at Izzy. If not, I'll be back in the morning.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I remember for two separate days; that the split voting was a very good way to give the wolves the power for that day.

I didn't mean that it would give the wolves the ability to hide in a bandwaggon - they almost always are able to do that - I meant that it would give the wolves the opportunity to choose which bandwaggon to set up. It didn't work out for them, though: we still got two wolves lynched early.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I wonder if, you were wishing you had had some kind of suspicion voiced on the thread towards Nog[ beforehand, then you could've possibly saved Sally.

I did voice some suspicion towards Nogrod, and if I was a wolf, I'm sure I could have blown it up unsuspiciously in time, since it was clear in advance that Nogrod would receive a couple of votes and it was also clear that Sally would be in danger.

Originally Posted by Boro

really do you have to blabber so much?

You were almost silent yesterday and you still have 10 posts more than I do! What do they say about stones and glasshouses again?

Originally Posted by Boro

If you're a wolf, I guess I'm screwed.

Well, you're lucky, because I am no wolf. I'm still not very comfortable with that approach there. I'm not sure whether we can really afford this kind of semi-blind trust towards anybody (but Shasta, of course) at this point.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Paranoia Mith. I may be ruthless, twist the knife in the back, and manipulative as a wolf, but I still stick to certain codes of decency and I would not be unethical in my manipulation.

I may be clinically insane during my time here in this village, but I'm not bluffing. You don't believe me, have the guts to pull the latch and be done with me. It won't bring an end to this. Make a choice and have the nerve to execute and stand by that choice.
[/B]

I love it when you're masterful

But the voting last night ... I do think that the wolf would have voted for Nerwen.

Issy is the last of my suspects but I have a horror of ending up tomorrow still with having to choose between Fea, Mac and Boro.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Issy is the last of my suspects but I have a horror of ending up tomorrow still with having to choose between Fea, Mac and Boro.

We could kill Boro today and narrow it down a bit...?

[Mithalwen]

Not too inclined too especially since he has guilt tripped me. Some of my doubts about him linked to beyond-game things that it would be unethical to play on on and while I know that he can be bold and ruthless in game I hope I know his RL character enough to believe him when he says that. I just don't think he would play that card as a bluff. So as far as he is concerned. I fold even though I doubt I will relax completely untill the showdown.

[Macalaure]

Well, I know I'm not participating as much as I should - I simply can't find anything new to say, I admit - but six people and just 20 post 2 hours before the deadline is not good.

Right now, I'm tending to vote Boro, simply because he's the least innocent-looking.

[Boromir88]

We could kill Boro today and narrow it down a bit...?~Fea

Are you saying I'm innocent, but might as well go ahead and lynch me anyway? You realize we don't have too many chances to get it right. I don't like this, it looks like you're saying you know (or at least believe) I'm innocent, but lets lynch me anyway so we can narrow down the choices tomorrow.

Mac, don't vote for me, you'll just have to come back and do the same thing tomorrow.

[Isabellkya]

I think I will vote Fea toDay, or Boro, and perhaps Mith.

Everyone has something against them, but who is the wolf?

[Boromir88]

Right now, I'm tending to vote Boro, simply because he's the least innocent-looking.~Mac

Why don't you give a reason. I'm tired of these flat statements like "Boro looks the most suspicious" or "Boro is the least innocent-looking" or "Lets lynch Boro to get him out of the way." That's just being lazy, I may find Izzy suspicious, but at least when she makes a blanket statement she comes back and explains it.

I bet you're innocent Mac, but now's not the time to get lazy. Let's hear it, you think I'm the least innocent looking, ok, why?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++BOROMIR

Because I don't want him around the last day adding to the paranoia if he's not a wolf. And I want him to be a wolf. Because that will mean that I haven't been imagining his evilness all game. I so badly want him to be a wolf. Otherwise I'm only allowed to play with new people from now on, so I can't go into a game with a priori knowledge.