Verbal Reasoning! - Page 17 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 02-07-2008, 07:11 PM

Yes. Told you it was lame.

Your turn.

Thinlómien · 02-29-2008, 04:47 AM

McCaber?

McCaber · 02-29-2008, 09:53 AM

Woah, totally forgot about this one. All right:

Tuor was to Turgon

as

_____ was to Samwise

Nerwen · 03-01-2008, 05:47 AM

Faramir Took? He was his friend's son and he married his daughter.

McCaber · 03-02-2008, 12:44 PM

Right, of course. Your turn.

The Might · 03-27-2008, 02:06 PM

Well, since nobody is posting, an easy one to get things back on track.

The Crown of Gondor is to the Kings of Gondor as
? is to the Kings of Arnor

Thinlómien · 03-27-2008, 03:11 PM

Sceptre of the Northern Kingdom, or whatever is the fancy way to phrase it...

The Might · 03-27-2008, 07:28 PM

True

Thinlómien · 03-29-2008, 06:46 AM

Okay, this is an odd question...

Arien is to Morgoth
as
Sam is to ________

Nerwen · 03-29-2008, 07:06 AM

Shelob?

She couldn't bear the light of the star-glass, just as Morgoth could bear the light of the sun.

Thinlómien · 03-29-2008, 08:02 AM

Good, you're on the right track, but in that case I would have said "star-glass", not Sam...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-29-2008, 08:07 AM

Then it does look very strange and hard to make it fit to make sense. I can only think about Snaga

But that looks very odd as well.

Thinlómien · 03-29-2008, 08:24 AM

Well, in fact, I was thinking about Snaga.

But once again I'm a bit baffled by own logic

, so if you could tell me how did you reach that conclusion, it'd be good.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-29-2008, 08:57 AM

Yes, I see...

Well, I was mainly thinking that they (Morgoth and Snaga) were both scared by the other, and could not withstand the other's presence... did not dare to go to the other's presence... (in Morgoth's case, kind of indirectly) I actually thought about some other reason but now I seem to have forgotten it

...in any case, when you speak about Sam, there could be hardly anyone else than Snaga in such connection.

Thinlómien · 03-29-2008, 12:24 PM

Okay, but that is only half of it but anyway the thread is yours. I was also thinking about the aspect that Morgoth was afraid of Arien, even though he was more powerful and she was, and in the same manner we could maybe say that Snaga was more powerful than Sam was. (Okay, it depends on how we define power. In fact, Sam would probably be more powerful in many ways.) But yes anyway, please take the thread.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-29-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I was also thinking about the aspect that Morgoth was afraid of Arien, even though he was more powerful and she was, and in the same manner we could maybe say that Snaga was more powerful than Sam was.

I don't think he was more powerful, actually, even if you look at it by the simple measurement of "who had bigger attack bonus"

Maybe Snaga had some military training after him (but rather just the experience of serving under Shagrat than some "proper" training), but still I don't think he would have been more skilful in combat than Sam. Although it's possible.

Anyway...

Saruman is to Lotho
as
Túrin is to _____

The Might · 03-31-2008, 07:43 AM

Maybe Brandir.
Just as Saruman was the real master of the Men, although officially it was Lotho so did the Haladin no longer give heed to Brandir, but actually listened to Túrin.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-31-2008, 09:21 AM

No, no, not exactly. The matter with Saruman and Lotho was more complicated than between Túrin and Brandir, the similarity in this aspect is not very good. Try again.

Gwathagor · 04-03-2008, 11:16 PM

Forweg the Outlaw. Turin killed him, and then ruled the fellowship of outlaws himself, similar to the way Saruman had Lotho killed before he took control of the Shire.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-04-2008, 04:11 AM

Good, good, Uncle Gwathy! (oh sorry, I meant Gwath

) Please take the thread.

Gwathagor · 04-04-2008, 02:22 PM

Tol Morwen is to Beleriand as
________ is to Numenor

The Might · 04-05-2008, 04:25 AM

Ok, so Tol Morwen was left there after Beleriand sunk, meaning that I must find an island that remained after Numenor was destroyed.

Aha, the Isle of Meletrama, although this seems to rather be a myth amongst Dúnedain rather than a real place.

Gwathagor · 04-05-2008, 06:30 PM

That's right, of course.

Eönwë · 04-21-2008, 04:57 PM

Reviving a thread

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-20-2008, 11:59 PM

Bilbo is to Frodo

as

_______ is to Dior.

Nerwen · 06-21-2008, 02:29 AM

Lúthien?

In each case, the second party inherited magic jewellery from the first.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-22-2008, 02:57 AM

Nope, but it is the inheritance connexion.

Nerwen · 06-22-2008, 03:26 AM

Thingol, then?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-22-2008, 03:45 AM

Your turn.

Urwen · 03-12-2010, 07:46 AM

Eldacar is to Castamir as
Miriel is to ___________

The Might · 03-12-2010, 08:56 AM

Nice to see this thread revived!
I'd have to guess it's Ar-Pharazon.

Both he and Castamir usurped the throne of Númenor/Gondor from the rightful ruler Eldacar/Miriel.

Urwen · 03-12-2010, 09:50 AM

Right you are.Go on!

The Might · 03-13-2010, 09:51 AM

Thought I'd keep it linked, so:

Ar-Pharazon is to Miriel as
Brodda is to ______

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-13-2010, 02:37 PM

Aerin? Forced marriage of the evil overlord with a good noblewoman?

The Might · 03-13-2010, 06:32 PM

Correct again.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-14-2010, 07:54 AM

Beren the Steward is to Mouth of Sauron
as
_________ is to Lotho Sackville-Baggins

Happy riddling.

The Might · 03-14-2010, 03:11 PM

I'd have to say Frodo Baggins.

The links are:
Beren - Saruman - Mouth of Sauron - Isengard
Frodo - Lobelia - Lotho - Bag End

The order both times is:
Rightful owner - rightful new owner - unrightful new or possible new owner - place of interest.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-14-2010, 04:45 PM

Perfect, agreed. Just for your interest, I would have accepted also one different solution of the riddle, which would be Argeleb II. (if we took Lotho's rulership as over the whole Shire, and here the unlawful ownership would be even more strongly underlined). But well done!

I should also say, funnily enough, when I was making this question, I was considering at one point to write an untraditional riddle with several blank gaps to fill (like: Beren - X - X / X - Lobelia - Lotho), and your links are basically the copy of that

The Might · 03-19-2010, 08:10 AM

Pippin is to Denethor as
Theoden to ______

Urwen · 03-19-2010, 08:31 AM

Aragorn?

02-29-2008, 04:47 AM	#642
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	*bump* McCaber? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-29-2008, 09:53 AM	#643
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Woah, totally forgot about this one. All right: Tuor was to Turgon as _____ was to Samwise __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

03-01-2008, 05:47 AM	#644
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Faramir Took? He was his friend's son and he married his daughter. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-02-2008, 12:44 PM	#645
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Right, of course. Your turn. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

03-27-2008, 02:06 PM	#646
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, since nobody is posting, an easy one to get things back on track. The Crown of Gondor is to the Kings of Gondor as ? is to the Kings of Arnor __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

02-07-2008, 07:11 PM	#641
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Yes. Told you it was lame. Your turn.

03-27-2008, 03:11 PM	#647
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Sceptre of the Northern Kingdom, or whatever is the fancy way to phrase it... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-27-2008, 07:28 PM	#648
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	True __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

03-29-2008, 06:46 AM	#649
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Okay, this is an odd question... Arien is to Morgoth as Sam is to ________ __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-29-2008, 07:06 AM	#650
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Shelob? She couldn't bear the light of the star-glass, just as Morgoth could bear the light of the sun. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-29-2008, 08:02 AM	#651
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Good, you're on the right track, but in that case I would have said "star-glass", not Sam... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-29-2008, 08:07 AM	#652
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Then it does look very strange and hard to make it fit to make sense. I can only think about Snaga But that looks very odd as well. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-29-2008, 08:24 AM	#653
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Well, in fact, I was thinking about Snaga. But once again I'm a bit baffled by own logic , so if you could tell me how did you reach that conclusion, it'd be good. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-29-2008, 08:57 AM	#654
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, I see... Well, I was mainly thinking that they (Morgoth and Snaga) were both scared by the other, and could not withstand the other's presence... did not dare to go to the other's presence... (in Morgoth's case, kind of indirectly) I actually thought about some other reason but now I seem to have forgotten it ...in any case, when you speak about Sam, there could be hardly anyone else than Snaga in such connection. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-29-2008, 12:24 PM	#655
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Okay, but that is only half of it but anyway the thread is yours. I was also thinking about the aspect that Morgoth was afraid of Arien, even though he was more powerful and she was, and in the same manner we could maybe say that Snaga was more powerful than Sam was. (Okay, it depends on how we define power. In fact, Sam would probably be more powerful in many ways.) But yes anyway, please take the thread. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-31-2008, 07:43 AM	#657
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Maybe Brandir. Just as Saruman was the real master of the Men, although officially it was Lotho so did the Haladin no longer give heed to Brandir, but actually listened to Túrin. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

03-31-2008, 09:21 AM	#658
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, no, not exactly. The matter with Saruman and Lotho was more complicated than between Túrin and Brandir, the similarity in this aspect is not very good. Try again. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-03-2008, 11:16 PM	#659
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Forweg the Outlaw. Turin killed him, and then ruled the fellowship of outlaws himself, similar to the way Saruman had Lotho killed before he took control of the Shire. __________________ Stories and songs.

04-04-2008, 04:11 AM	#660
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Good, good, Uncle Gwathy! (oh sorry, I meant Gwath ) Please take the thread. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-04-2008, 02:22 PM	#661
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Tol Morwen is to Beleriand as ________ is to Numenor __________________ Stories and songs.

04-05-2008, 04:25 AM	#662
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, so Tol Morwen was left there after Beleriand sunk, meaning that I must find an island that remained after Numenor was destroyed. Aha, the Isle of Meletrama, although this seems to rather be a myth amongst Dúnedain rather than a real place. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-05-2008, 06:30 PM	#663
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	That's right, of course. __________________ Stories and songs.

04-21-2008, 04:57 PM	#664
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	*bump* Reviving a thread __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

06-20-2008, 11:59 PM	#665
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Simplizismus: Bilbo is to Frodo as _______ is to Dior. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-21-2008, 02:29 AM	#666
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Lúthien? In each case, the second party inherited magic jewellery from the first. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-22-2008, 02:57 AM	#667
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Nope, but it is the inheritance connexion. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-22-2008, 03:26 AM	#668
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Thingol, then? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-22-2008, 03:45 AM	#669
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	That's it. Your turn. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-12-2010, 07:46 AM	#670
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,386	Eldacar is to Castamir as Miriel is to ___________

03-12-2010, 08:56 AM	#671
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nice to see this thread revived! I'd have to guess it's Ar-Pharazon. Both he and Castamir usurped the throne of Númenor/Gondor from the rightful ruler Eldacar/Miriel. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

03-12-2010, 09:50 AM	#672
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,386	Right you are.Go on!

03-13-2010, 09:51 AM	#673
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Thought I'd keep it linked, so: Ar-Pharazon is to Miriel as Brodda is to ______ __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

03-13-2010, 02:37 PM	#674
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Aerin? Forced marriage of the evil overlord with a good noblewoman? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-13-2010, 06:32 PM	#675
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Correct again. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

03-14-2010, 07:54 AM	#676
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Beren the Steward is to Mouth of Sauron as _________ is to Lotho Sackville-Baggins Happy riddling. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories