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Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-28-2005, 09:49 PM

I have to beg all your pardon, as the puzzle was constructed quite hastily. I shall give a better version of it.

A rare jewel well followed by beginning in every name.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-07-2005, 04:42 AM

Anyone? Anybody at all?

NightKnight · 03-07-2005, 11:56 AM

Something ending with -ien, that much I can make out. But the rest is dizzy.

Mithalwen · 03-07-2005, 11:58 AM

Silmarien then ..... Silma .. the substance fromwhich the Silmarils were made .. can't explain the well though.....

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-08-2005, 01:43 AM

Silmarien it is!

A rare jewel well = Silmaril - il (sounds like "ill", something you're not if you're well).

The thread is thine, Wandering Wraith.

Mithalwen · 03-08-2005, 01:03 PM

Splendid - a quick and easy one cos I am in class!

Cheer a flower?

Ed... maybe not as easy as I expected?

Mithalwen · 03-13-2005, 12:06 PM

Clue required?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-13-2005, 06:56 PM

Is it Gladden River? Cheer (gladden) a flôwer (river).

Mithalwen · 03-14-2005, 01:00 PM

No that is absolutely perfect....

Couldn't resist since one of the first things my mother taught me about cryptic crosswords was that a flower was a river ....

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-14-2005, 09:33 PM

Light goblin home.

Gil-Galad · 03-14-2005, 09:44 PM

hmmmm.....Goblin Town?

Light=town is basically not a heavilly populated as oh say a city

rest is explained

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-14-2005, 10:08 PM

"Light" is used in a different context.

Gil-Galad · 03-14-2005, 10:16 PM

hey at least i tried...gotta conserve my energy for my play! woot woot oh i've lost all interest...

Gundabad? light = spark of gun? i better be hitting the dusty trail...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-14-2005, 10:50 PM

Try another meaning of "light".

Mithalwen · 03-18-2005, 02:58 PM

well light can be light in weight, as well as illumination (both either in literal or metaphorical senses). It can be a verb or a noun....

Syntactically it may either stand alone or refer to goblin alone or goblin could relate to home or all may be linked... hmm..... I can't help thinking that the use of goblin is significant since other than in "the Hobbit" Orc is the more common term.
So I had wondered if it might be Gondolin since I have an anagram obsession and it contains the letters of goblin "light" of one letter... but all this thinking aloud (and realising it is home not city ...) has given another idea

Light goblin home- Aglarond? The glittering caves. Goblins live in caves cos most of them can't stand the light and Aglar means shining with light?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-20-2005, 09:07 PM

Your only shots that scratched the target were:

Quote:

well light can be light in weight (Mith)

Yes, it is light as in "not heavy."

Quote:

I can't help thinking that the use of goblin is significant since other than in "the Hobbit" Orc is the more common term. (Mith)

Ja, it is in The Hobbit.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-21-2005, 10:48 AM

Gram?

Sounds like gramme, which is a measure of weight - a single gramme not being particularly heavy.

And Mount Gram was a home to Goblins.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-25-2005, 10:07 PM

"Gramme" is "Gram" to Americans.

So, yes, I was thinking of that. The thread is thine.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-29-2005, 06:33 AM

Thanks Nilp.

Quote:

"Gramme" is "Gram" to Americans.

Two countries separated by a common language.

Here's the next one:

Master gunner does not hesitate by lake.

Fairly straightforward ...

Turambar · 03-29-2005, 12:55 PM

Bombadil ?

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-29-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turambar

Bombadil ?

Please explain.

Turambar · 03-29-2005, 02:26 PM

Sorry.

The gunner (BOMBADIER) does not hesitate (say "ER"); rather, he stands by an L(ake).

Very clever. The clue, I mean.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-29-2005, 04:56 PM

Top notch.

Please proceed ...

Turambar · 03-31-2005, 04:52 AM

Jewelry promotion came back to outlaw.

Mithalwen · 04-19-2005, 06:50 AM

Bumping up becasue I am still puzzling over it.... but haven't got very far (evidently) .....

Cannot even decide if I am looking for a jewel or an outlaw (though either, to me suggests I am looking for something from the Silmarillion and there is a suggestion of letters in reverse order .... but I am not sure that I am like Butterbur in being able to see through brick walls given time .... so Master of Doom ... are any of the trees I am barking up of the correct species?

Turambar · 04-22-2005, 05:00 PM

You're on the right track - "translate" Jewelry promotion, run it backwards, and you'll have an outlaw from the Silmarillion.

Celebrian · 04-23-2005, 11:40 PM

Melkor? (rok=rock, klem=climb)

Mithalwen · 05-06-2005, 01:15 PM

So..... it is well over 10 days - what now?

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-07-2005, 10:36 AM

Well, strictly speaking, anyone can ask a new question. But, since there have been only a few responses, it would be better to wait for Turambar to give another clue.

Turambar · 05-08-2005, 11:08 AM

I apologize for snoozing on this thread. HINT: one of 12 outlaws. The Silmarillion.

Celebrian · 05-08-2005, 01:05 PM

Bregolas?
jewelry-> gold + sale backwards ->las + outlaw

Turambar · 05-09-2005, 06:48 AM

The answer is one of Barahir's band of 12 outlaws. "Jewely promotion" backward gives you his name.

Here are the twelve outlaws:

Beren , Baragund, Belegund, Radhruin, Dairuin, Dagnir, Ragnor, Gildor, Gorlim, Arthad, Urthel, and Hathaldir.

Mithalwen · 05-09-2005, 06:51 AM

Dagnir? Ring + jewellery ad(d) could be interpreted as promotion?

Turambar · 05-09-2005, 07:02 AM

Yes. Thank you.

Mithalwen · 05-09-2005, 10:58 AM

No thank you.... given that the clue was very helpful.....

Erm try this...

Lonely lady dwarf after Elvish woods, I hear?

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-09-2005, 11:29 AM

Elvish woods, I hear = Eren (sounds like Eryn, Elvish for woods)
lady dwarf = Dis

The whole is Erendis, a lonely lady.

Mithalwen · 05-09-2005, 11:44 AM

That is it..... a whole half an hour.... does that make it a good clue or a bad clue I wonder.... lol

NB Erendis means lonely lady/bride in elvish but that is probably trying too hard...

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-09-2005, 05:14 PM

Thanks Mithalwen.

I would say that it was a good clue as it followed the usual conventions.

Next one should be fairly simple.

Wretched fellow is sad taking look around.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-25-2005, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Wretched fellow is sad taking look around.

Taking a look can, of course, be "tour"ing, and turning around the spelling of that a bit, you get Tuor. One who took Tuor somewhere was Gelmir. When I started digging up information about Gelmir, it came back to me that the other Gelmir was indeed a wretched fellow, captured by Morgoth during the Dagor Bragollach and whose public maiming begain the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Taking a look around while that was happening would make any wretched fellow sad.

So... is Gelmir close? Or should I give up entirely...

Mithalwen · 06-25-2005, 11:34 AM

Well I thought wretched mioght indicate an anagram .... but I tend to see signs of anagrams in the same way as McCarthyites saw signs of communists so....

02-28-2005, 09:49 PM	#601
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Sorry, Erenor. I have to beg all your pardon, as the puzzle was constructed quite hastily. I shall give a better version of it. A rare jewel well followed by beginning in every name. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-07-2005, 04:42 AM	#602
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	*crickets a-singing* Anyone? Anybody at all? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-07-2005, 11:56 AM	#603
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Something ending with -ien, that much I can make out. But the rest is dizzy. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-07-2005, 11:58 AM	#604
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Silmarien then ..... Silma .. the substance fromwhich the Silmarils were made .. can't explain the well though..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-08-2005, 01:43 AM	#605
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Mithalwen, you got it! Silmarien it is! A rare jewel well = Silmaril - il (sounds like "ill", something you're not if you're well). The thread is thine, Wandering Wraith. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-08-2005, 01:03 PM	#606
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Splendid - a quick and easy one cos I am in class! Cheer a flower? Ed... maybe not as easy as I expected? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 03-10-2005 at 12:05 PM. Reason: wrong tense oops

03-13-2005, 12:06 PM	#607
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Clue required? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-13-2005, 06:56 PM	#608
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	I must be thick-headed. Is it Gladden River? Cheer (gladden) a flôwer (river). __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-14-2005, 01:00 PM	#609
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	No that is absolutely perfect.... Couldn't resist since one of the first things my mother taught me about cryptic crosswords was that a flower was a river .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-14-2005, 09:33 PM	#610
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Yay! Light goblin home. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-14-2005, 09:44 PM	#611
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	hmmmm.....Goblin Town? Light=town is basically not a heavilly populated as oh say a city rest is explained __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

03-14-2005, 10:08 PM	#612
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Sorry, no. "Light" is used in a different context. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-14-2005, 10:16 PM	#613
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	hey at least i tried...gotta conserve my energy for my play! woot woot oh i've lost all interest... Gundabad? light = spark of gun? i better be hitting the dusty trail... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

03-14-2005, 10:50 PM	#614
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Wrong again. Try another meaning of "light". __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-18-2005, 02:58 PM	#615
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	well light can be light in weight, as well as illumination (both either in literal or metaphorical senses). It can be a verb or a noun.... Syntactically it may either stand alone or refer to goblin alone or goblin could relate to home or all may be linked... hmm..... I can't help thinking that the use of goblin is significant since other than in "the Hobbit" Orc is the more common term. So I had wondered if it might be Gondolin since I have an anagram obsession and it contains the letters of goblin "light" of one letter... but all this thinking aloud (and realising it is home not city ...) has given another idea Light goblin home- Aglarond? The glittering caves. Goblins live in caves cos most of them can't stand the light and Aglar means shining with light? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-21-2005, 10:48 AM	#617
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I do believe that I have it ... Gram? Sounds like gramme, which is a measure of weight - a single gramme not being particularly heavy. And Mount Gram was a home to Goblins. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-25-2005, 10:07 PM	#618
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Well, Saucie. "Gramme" is "Gram" to Americans. So, yes, I was thinking of that. The thread is thine. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-29-2005, 12:55 PM	#620
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Bombadil ? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

03-29-2005, 02:26 PM	#622
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Sorry. The gunner (BOMBADIER) does not hesitate (say "ER"); rather, he stands by an L(ake). Very clever. The clue, I mean. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

03-29-2005, 04:56 PM	#623
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Correct! Top notch. Please proceed ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-31-2005, 04:52 AM	#624
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Jewelry promotion came back to outlaw. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-19-2005, 06:50 AM	#625
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Bumping up becasue I am still puzzling over it.... but haven't got very far (evidently) ..... Cannot even decide if I am looking for a jewel or an outlaw (though either, to me suggests I am looking for something from the Silmarillion and there is a suggestion of letters in reverse order .... but I am not sure that I am like Butterbur in being able to see through brick walls given time .... so Master of Doom ... are any of the trees I am barking up of the correct species? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

04-22-2005, 05:00 PM	#626
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	You're on the right track - "translate" Jewelry promotion, run it backwards, and you'll have an outlaw from the Silmarillion. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-23-2005, 11:40 PM	#627
Celebrian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: First Homely House, Rivendell, Eriador Posts: 93	Melkor? (rok=rock, klem=climb) Last edited by Celebrian; 04-24-2005 at 01:58 PM.

05-06-2005, 01:15 PM	#628
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	So..... it is well over 10 days - what now? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-07-2005, 10:36 AM	#629
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, strictly speaking, anyone can ask a new question. But, since there have been only a few responses, it would be better to wait for Turambar to give another clue. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-08-2005, 11:08 AM	#630
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I apologize for snoozing on this thread. HINT: one of 12 outlaws. The Silmarillion. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

05-08-2005, 01:05 PM	#631
Celebrian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: First Homely House, Rivendell, Eriador Posts: 93	Bregolas? jewelry-> gold + sale backwards ->las + outlaw

05-09-2005, 06:48 AM	#632
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The answer is one of Barahir's band of 12 outlaws. "Jewely promotion" backward gives you his name. Here are the twelve outlaws: Beren , Baragund, Belegund, Radhruin, Dairuin, Dagnir, Ragnor, Gildor, Gorlim, Arthad, Urthel, and Hathaldir. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

05-09-2005, 06:51 AM	#633
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Dagnir? Ring + jewellery ad(d) could be interpreted as promotion? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-09-2005, 07:02 AM	#634
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Yes. Thank you. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

05-09-2005, 10:58 AM	#635
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	No thank you.... given that the clue was very helpful..... Erm try this... Lonely lady dwarf after Elvish woods, I hear? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-09-2005, 11:29 AM	#636
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Erendis? Elvish woods, I hear = Eren (sounds like Eryn, Elvish for woods) lady dwarf = Dis The whole is Erendis, a lonely lady. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-09-2005, 11:44 AM	#637
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	That is it..... a whole half an hour.... does that make it a good clue or a bad clue I wonder.... lol NB Erendis means lonely lady/bride in elvish but that is probably trying too hard... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 05-11-2005 at 11:04 AM. Reason: footnote

05-09-2005, 05:14 PM	#638
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Next up Thanks Mithalwen. I would say that it was a good clue as it followed the usual conventions. Next one should be fairly simple. Wretched fellow is sad taking look around. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!