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05-15-2020, 05:00 AM | #601 |
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Did Greenie just say she's on sick leave?
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Also thinking - if the WWs thought Boro a Seer already then (but then, why not kill him there and then?), they could have bussed Lhuna for that reason. But... nah. Doesn't sound likely. But they might have had a different reason.
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05-15-2020, 05:13 AM | #603 |
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05-15-2020, 05:19 AM | #604 |
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Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions about how I should vote toDay?
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05-15-2020, 05:56 AM | #605 |
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05-15-2020, 06:51 AM | #606 |
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A Lhuna-nalysis
Let me shamelessly steal Eönwë’s list, for reference. I assume this is accurate.
Lhuna -> Eönwë Eönwë -> Boro QT -> Lhuna Inzil -> Lommy Lottie -> Boro 2 Greenie -> Zil The Ka -> Lhuna 2 Pitchwife -> Eönwë 2 Lalaith -> Lhuna 3 Lommy -> Lhuna 4 Rune -> Eönwë 3 Kath -> Lhuna 5 Shasta -> Lhuna 6 Boro -> Eönwë 4 Brinn -> Lhuna 7 Scenario 1: Lhuna was bussed. Scenario 1.1: Lhuna was bussed by all of her packmates Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn Scenario 1.2: Lhuna was bussed by some, but not all, of her packmates. Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn Scenario 2: Lhuna was not bussed. Scenario 2.1: The villagers brilliantly executed her while her packmates stood aghast, unable to do anything. Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Rune, Boro Scenario 2.2: The villagers brilliantly executed her and her packmates decided to come along for the ride. Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn Scenario 3: Lhuna sacrificed herself for the greater good. Scenario 3.1: Her packmates wholeheartedly supported her sacrifice. Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn Scenario 3.2: Her packmates were divided about her willingness to sacrifice herself. Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn Did I miss anything? |
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Verry tempting. If a wolf, she's been a good submarine, staying on the sidelines and avoiding the spotlight.
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It could be an evil ploy (assuming a Borowolf) to try to elicit more overt hints from the real Seer.
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05-15-2020, 08:31 AM | #608 |
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The Lhunatic is having a grand time, I see!
Shall we ++Steve toDay? I thirst for his blood. Wait a minute, wrong team.
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05-15-2020, 08:38 AM | #609 |
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Sister from another mister!
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05-15-2020, 08:47 AM | #610 |
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05-15-2020, 09:35 AM | #611 |
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I could go with Steve, but main thing I'm afraid of is if people bandwagon on him because of us and he turns to be innocent (plus, the WWs conveniently hide in the bandwagon "oh it was the QT's idea").
I could also go with Ka, to be fair. She's a submarine, but of the suspicious kind.
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05-15-2020, 09:36 AM | #612 |
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When do people have to vote? So that we have enough time to agree on this. (I'm fine until DL, but I know there may be others...)
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05-15-2020, 09:38 AM | #613 |
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Point of inquiry: Wouldn't that be the case for whatever our (yes, I say "our" because I'm part of the collective group) vote ends up being?
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Hey, Legate, can we kill Lommy instead? x'd with Lhuna
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05-15-2020, 09:40 AM | #615 |
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Also, because I forgot to answer the actual question: I'll be here all day and can wait to vote if needed.
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05-15-2020, 10:04 AM | #616 |
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I can vote when needed.
Why did the wolves think Mac was the Seer? Why did they think I was the Seer? Why did they think Pitch was the Seer? Who in Udun is the Seer? If it were me I'd probably have revealed by now. OMG what if the Seer was Urwen and Nogs didn't have the heart to tell us.
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05-15-2020, 10:08 AM | #617 |
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I want to know how on earth Lottie is still alive. I think she's guilty just based on her continued existence.
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05-15-2020, 10:32 AM | #618 |
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All the different possible scenarios are making my head hurt.
If Boro is a wolf, there are a million possible plans and possible options and I don't even want to start thinking about them.Those last two we can examine, though, and if we can deduce that there was no way, then he must be a wolf in turn. The day he got Lhuna lynched, he surprisingly switched his vote to Eonwe. If Eonwe is a wolf, too, this would've rung every last alarm bell for the pack. Eonwe is either innocent, or the wolves' evidence for Boro not being the seer must've been extremely convincing (or he's one of them). Even if he listed a wolf as a known innocent, as a wolf, I would get pretty doubtful at that point. If we spare Boro, we should spare Eonwe as well. The only possibility I see for non-wolf-Boro to survive is that he put an innocent as a prime suspect or a wolf as a known-to-him innocent. Considering that a seer still has to suspect people even if they're out of dreamt-of wolves, the former is not 100% safe and the wolves may second-guess it. Listing a wolf as a known innocent though, that might make the wolves go har har, he's bluffing. This keeps bringing me back to Lommy and Brinn. (What do you think, baddies - want to vote for Brinniel again toDay? Oh, you know you want to ) Whether Boro is the real seer or an ordo, this reasoning goes the same way, except as the real seer he knew what he was doing whereas as an ordo he'd have to do it with a good amount of risky guesswork. Here's one thing: in a regular game, the seer can't list a wolf as a known innocent. If the seer dies at night without being able to reverse that statement, he leaves the village with a wolf as a quasi-known innocent, which is a very, very terrible idea. In this game, a dead seer can feed the village their dreams via the QT vote, so it's actually doable. |
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05-15-2020, 10:34 AM | #620 |
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Also, Lhuna is a troll after my own heart.
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05-15-2020, 10:41 AM | #622 |
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Maybe because you weren't?
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05-15-2020, 10:43 AM | #623 |
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If I were, I'd have dreamt the ranger first, rather than hunting her, which actually might have been helpful given the circumstances. (Love you, Kit!)
....Nog, the seer's clearly not doing anything anyway. Can we convert my hunter picks to dreams?
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05-15-2020, 10:57 AM | #625 |
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I like Greenie's thinking. Who again was that person who suspected her for Days?
I find it funny that Brinniel agrees with it without commenting on the fact that she's implicated by it. |
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05-15-2020, 11:53 AM | #629 |
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Sorry for being late to the party, I was a bit busy today doing stuff I should have done over the last two weeks. I'm not averse to voting Steve (cats destroyed my AltGr key, so I can't spell Eonwe properly anymore) or Ka, but right now I'm clueless enough to go with whatever floats the innocent boat.
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Steve looks dodgy to be sure, but somehow feels too easy. It looked earlier like Ka might be an early bandwagon. Quote:
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05-15-2020, 12:08 PM | #631 |
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How likely do we think it is that none of the wolves got Rune's seer hint at the end of yesterDay?
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We need to consolidate our options a little and narrow it down. I feel we're too all over the place toDay.
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GT looks to be leaning to Ka. Boro, Lommy, Brinn, and Lottie have all given "fake" votes for her, and Shasta made his real.
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So, if Boro is innocent (seer or ordo) either Eonwe is also innocent, or Eonwe is a wolf with Brinn or Lommy. Unfortunately, if Boro and Eonwe are both innocent, we can't necessarily conclude anything from that about Brinn and Lommy. Boro could still have looked ordoish to the pack for the way he went after Eonwe. But I think we can say if Eonwe is a wolf, one of Boro, Brinn or Lommy is in his pack. Now, if Boro is a wolf, this whole plot had to be to flush out the real seer, and the nightkills thus far were people who looked seerish in relation to Boro. mentioned it today: Quote:
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If Lalaith looked seerish, she would be a seer who might intend to dream of a wolf Shasta, Ka or Kath but hadn't yet, possibly dreamed of a Brinn wolf, maybe dreamed a Lommy innocent. Night 5: Lalaith gets killed. Day 5: Pitch says Lommy and Eonwe look innocent because suspected by Lhuna, but later suggests Eonwe and Ka could be packmates. Questions Boro about his seerish/wolf-slippish stuff. Suspects Greenie, but with points for and against/wishy washy way such that wolves could have still thought he was the seer if Greenie was innocent. Quote:
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If Pitch looked like a seer, he would have looked like one who hadn't dreamed of a wolf yet but might be about to close in on a wolf Ka or Shasta, and had dreamed innocents Rune, Lottie, and Lommy. So in summary: Innocent Boro (seer or ordo) means he was safely inaccurate, so: Eonwe is either innocent, or a wolf with Brinn or Lommy. In any case, the wolves looked for seers elsewhere which implies: Lommy, Rune, Lottie likely innocent Ka, Shasta, Brinn, Greenie, Kath potentially evil Edit: crossed with everyone since my last |
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I just had an idea why some of you "not-the Seers" might have been killed, completely besides potentially implicating someone's guilt or innocence. And now I really want to know if I'm right.
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05-15-2020, 12:25 PM | #636 |
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Back from my nap/lunch break.
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05-15-2020, 12:27 PM | #637 |
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I like the Steve/Brinn/Lommy pack thought. It seems almost too easy though, so I feel like one of those names is wrong just because of how each of those three is playing.
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05-15-2020, 12:28 PM | #638 |
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I've had a bad feeling about Brinn all game.
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Same. Options for today, for me at least, are Steve, Brinn, and the Finnish sisters.
x'd with Pitch
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