Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Nogrod]

This is ridiculous...

Let the wolves roam then.

Okay. I'll come back soon myself and try to do something but it's getting very late here (4.12 AM right now), I just need to finish the Arda 2008 post first... and maybe go to sleep at an hour or another...

[Boromir88]

++Eomer

I'm the hunter.

Nogrod, I thought best case scenario it' 5-2 and we get Shasta at night, takes 2 days to win. Could I pull off the charade for another 2 days, afterall I hadn't even received a vote yet and somehow I wasn't dying at night? That was best case, what if blasted Shasta stops us again? What if Agan is lynched? And after doing some final number crunching when all is said in done, as you, my fellow hacker have so wonderfully explained it's 4-1 and still takes 2 days to win. Thus I reached the conclusion I had to stop Shasta during the day before she could stop us at night.

But I think the real deciding factor was you know how much fun I have being a known wolf for an entire day. I hope we can oblige you and make you all eat Shasta's words. RIP you played admirably, and even left a clue proving who you protected, but you know this village...overthinks everything.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I'm very happy you did all that, Boro; it just makes our job that bit easier.

++BOROMIR88

Yes, I'm finally here. Agree with Nogrod: let's discuss who might be the other wolf. That gives us 3 days rather than just 2.

I suspected Aganzir quite a lot, before this Ranger nonsense. I wonder: Formendacil was killed, despite getting 4 votes the other day. I wonder if wolfy-Aganzir, say, thought that only Form would remember that silliness, and took him out so that the village would forget.

[Aganzir]

I'm here, but I lost net connection at home so my playing is now dependent on libraries (the one closest my home closes at 15 pm gmt even at its latest) and the goodwill of my friend, but I'm afraid I'm not able to be around till the deadline anymore, nor post as much as I would like to.

Now, onto yesterday.

*GRINS TO GIVE EVERYONE EVEN MORE CREEPS*

Originally Posted by Rikae

Her behavior toDay seems very much like a typical wolf who is under some pressure - her case aganst Kitanna seems rather forced (especially the "myself" bit) and the make a case, vote, and leave pattern is a tactic I've used myself as a cornered wolf - throwing something out there for the village to chew on (she even encourages us to look into it more) and then dropping out of sight and, hopefully, out of mind.

1. I've been suspecting Kitanna the whole game, wanted to make a case to see if my suspicion still hold and they did. I'm sorry if it looks forced to you. Maybe I have just decided that she must be a wolf and therefore refuse to take off the wolf-coloured glasses.
2. I would never, even as a wolf, lie about not being able to play. Maybe I should have posted in the admin thread "I'm going to spend the night at one of my friends' now that they all have returned from their summer cottages, oops now she called and said we're meeting like an hour earlier than we first planned, sorry I can't post more."?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, the way she deals with Shasta toDay is so ambiguous

I wasn't nearly convinced about his guilt, but people did bring up good points that pointed at it so I wasn't as sure about him as earlier. If everyone else is suspecting someone you find innocent, do you think that they or you is the most likely wrong?

Well, at least I can pat myself on the back for being right about him (I wasn't sure he was the ranger, but I was inclined to believe so since day 3 or 4).

Originally Posted by Nog

it's hard to see the gain a Boro-wolf would have made by a fake-revealment toDay.

No it isn't. Can the wolves afford yet another missed kill? Can the wolves afford having two known innocents in a village that is getting smaller and smaller? To me it makes much more sense that one of them sacrificed himself to get the ranger lynched. Only why was it Boro, who hadn't been suspected practically at all? The only reasons that I can think of are that either his fellow was not around (which would point at Kitanna, me, or Eönwë I think), or that he didn't think his fellow would come out as the ranger (this might point at least at Nog and Rikae's innocence, who I'm rather sure could have done that, if wolves, though Nog was suspected very little too so I don't know).

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++ Boro

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Originally Posted by Eomer

I wonder if wolfy-Aganzir, say, thought that only Form would remember that silliness, and took him out so that the village would forget.

To be honest, I could well do that as a wolf - of course it's not forgotten, but it's maybe not remembered as vividly. Though I wonder if that's just what the wolves want the village to think.
Anyway, I'm darn glad Form was killed because I was becoming rather sure of his guilt when reading through yesterday.

Innocent
Eomer

Guilty
Kitanna

Of the rest, I would consider Nogrod and Eönwë more innocentish and Rikae more wolfish, though I'd like to take a look at all of them at some point.

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Now, was Boro an original wolf or one turned later? Which ever he was, one thing is certain - Boro, Mith & one yet unknown were wolves together from day 3 on. I'm not going to continue my "people's relations with Nerwen & Mith" thing now (though I think I would if I had better chances to be online), but I'll rather go and see how Boro and Mith treated Kit, Nog and Eönwë.

[Nogrod]

Quiet... *sigh*

Just to post something.

My prime suspects at the moment are:
Aganzir (for all that mentioned yesterDay)
Eönwë (because of Kath-kill)

I'm going downtown now but will come back later to actually try something more constructive fex. looking Agan again in the light of Boro actually being the wolf etc.

Oh and not to forget it...

++ Boromir 88


EDIT: X'd with Aganzir... wow, life in the thread!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Only why was it Boro, who hadn't been suspected practically at all? The only reasons that I can think of are that either his fellow was not around (which would point at Kitanna, me, or Eönwë I think)

That's a good point indeed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Let me also say: good point Aganzir, and one which makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe that's why Form was killed. He and Nogrod could be excused because they were both around and, indeed, more suspicious looking than Boro. Pity about Form but maybe this means Nogrod looks quite good.

[Kitanna]

++ Boro

I go to work and return to find Boro has gone from ranger to hunter quite magically.

In regards to what is to be done tomorrow I'd like to look at Eonwe. Form is now dead after being considered fairly innocent and surviving a bandwagon. Eonwe survived two bandwagons and everyone seemed to push him out of mind after that. I think it would be a good idea to relook at Eonwe.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Boro

Only why was it Boro, who hadn't been suspected practically at all? The only reasons that I can think of are that either his fellow was not around (which would point at Kitanna, me, or Eönwë I think), or that he didn't think his fellow would come out as the ranger (this might point at least at Nog and Rikae's innocence, who I'm rather sure could have done that, if wolves, though Nog was suspected very little too so I don't know).

But what if Boro acted alone? He revealed himself to ensure the death of Shasta, I think that much is clear. I don't think he did it as an attempt to save his last partner. If he wanted to do that he could simply have swayed the village another way. No one suspected him too much except Nogrod and in light of yesterday's performance he obviously can convince the village quite well.

Even today he comes out as our hunter. Not exactly going to work two days in a row, but I'm not so sure Boro was trying to save anyone from the gallows yesterday. I think it was to ensure the ranger was taken out of the picture before another night kill could be prevented for Boro and his partner.

[Aganzir]

Sorry it took this long - I had to leave for a while.

Boro & Nog
Day 3 Boro found Nogrod trusty, but on day 4 his votes worried him. He said Mith's death would reveal a lot about him. Nogrod considered Boro innocent, but notified it was only a feeling from the previous day since someone had changed sides. He also said he tends to trust the judgement of Boro due to his record and the sense he had spoken.
On day 5 Nog said he's a bit concerned about Boro. After analysing the votes he felt a bit better about him.
Boro said if one vote for Mith was wolfish, he would imagine it to be Kit or Nog's. He made a big analysis of Nog, which gave the impression of Nog being innocent.
Nog was more inclined to trust Boro's hunter claim than Shasta's, and asks what a Borowolf would benefit from pretending to be the ranger.

Mith & Nog
On day 3 Nogrod was baffled about Mith, but notified that it was only a feeling from the previous days, since someone had changed sides.
His top suspects were Mith, Kitanna, Nilp, Eönwë, & Rikae, all of whom (except Nilp and Mith) are still alive. Mith suspected Nog and voted for him on day 3.
From day 4 on also Nog suspected Mith heavily, to the extent of being sure about her: "First of all you know you don't need to act on that promise as Mith is a wolf."

Conclusion: Nog looks pretty innocent. I can believe if he goes after his fellows when they are already suspected, but would he really be the first one to say someone is concerning him, even a little? Or be so much against Mith? Unless this is the pack's masterplan to help Nog survive till the end, but I'm not inclined to think so.

Boro & Kit
On day 4 Boro said he had that far thought Kit looked pretty innocent. He said he trusts Kitanna, and she doesn't look misleading. Also, if she was right that Mith was a wolf, he would probably trust her for the rest of the game.
On day 5 Kitanna was unsure of Boro (and Rikae) - of all the others she had an opinion. Boro said he has felt Kitanna's voting to be pretty safe, maybe just because she usually has to vote early. If a vote for Mith was wolfish, he would imagine it to be Kit or Nog's.

Mith & Kitanna
On day 4 Kitanna believed Dur had dreamed of Mith and found her a wolf, and voted for her.

Conclusion: Somehow that Boro's trusting Kit for the rest of the game if she's right about Mith makes me feel better about her. Otherwise, I don't really know.

Boro & Rikae
On day 3 Boro said Rikae looked the most innocent of those who had voted for EW while he and I had been talking about lynching Nerwen. On day 4 he was worried that Rikae had slipped into the background, but her voting didn't look suspicious, and that day there were far more wolfish people around than her. The same day Rikae said that that day Boro seemed quite sensible and sincere, at least.

Mith & Rikae
On day 4 Mith didn't look especially suspicious to Rikae, and she found herself wondering where the bandwagon came from the previous day. Voted for Form when it was all about Mith or Shasta being lynched.

Conclusion: They didn't speak much about one other, and if they did they found one other innocent. However, there's something I noticed about Rikae. After Shasta's revealing he voted for me, and was worried when it started to seem other people might not follow her; "Nog, are you saying that Shasta's revelation should let Aganzir off the hook?" Somehow it looks like she knew there would not be a competing claim (since Shasta was the ranger). If you have suspected him yourself, didn't it occur to you that he might have just been bluffing in order to out the ranger, since he was heavily suspected?

Boro & Eönwë
On day 3 he said he may have to start reconsidering his thoughts about him, since he had voted for EW while Boro and I were talking about lynching Nerwen. On day 4 Boro was baffled about Eönwë, but hinted at the direction that he might be a wolf ("An apologetic wolf is not unheard of."). As far as I can see, Eönwë didn't really mention Boro.

Mith & Eönwë
On day 4 Eönwë said he didn't know why he had voted for Nilp, and had he been there later, he would probably have voted for Mith. He also voted for her that day.

Conclusion: Could be fellow wolves or could be not. Somehow, Eönwë seems to avoid mentioning Boro, who didn't speak about him more than in the analysis, which he made of everyone. Eönwë says he could have voted for Mith also the previous day, but voted for Nilp instead, for no reason, "I'll explain when I can," (when it was either Mith or Nilp who would be lynched) - the wolves had probably decided to sacrifice her after that.

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I feel a bit better about Kitanna, a bit worse about Rikae, and worse about Eönwë.

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Whoops, a correction to my last post. Eönwë was indeed around after Shasta's revelation (but did he vote? No? Why?). However, Boro might not have counted on him going to reveal.

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I'll be leaving again, and I'm not sure if I'll be back anymore today.

edit: xed with Eomer and two Kits

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've just been panicking slightly because I thought we had only one chance to get things right tomorrow. Luckily I had forgotten about one of our quieter players, Eonwe. Great relief!

I should not speculate on who I find most suspicious today, because I don't really want the wolves to come after me (known innocent will make our odds much nicer on that last day). So I don't want to give the wolves any part of my mind.

Must dash now but will be back a couple of hours before deadline.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm not so sure Boro was trying to save anyone from the gallows yesterday. I think it was to ensure the ranger was taken out of the picture before another night kill could be prevented for Boro and his partner.

And I'm not thinking so, either. I was rather wondering why it was Boro, whose wolfishness might not have been discovered too soon had he not done it - didn't he trust his fellow wolf would pose as the hunter to get Shasta killed, or was his fellow maybe not around to do that? That's what had me wondering.

Also, I think it would be useful if someone could check how those still alive possibly changed their opinions about Boro after day 2. It's either him or the one yet undiscovered who was turned on night 3, I'm pretty sure of that.

Okay, leaving now.

edit: xed with Eomer

[Nogrod]

Just a short one here...

I like the way Aganzir works now - and seems to make sense. And what she said affirms some bad feelings I've had with Rikae.

Now try to bear with me. I'll try to explain.

There's in a way no problem with her, she plays nice, considerate, reasonable... but somehow I'm not able to trust her - it's like with Kitanna... I could say the same of her as well.

But I'm also still a bit worried about Eönwë. The kill of Kath (which took two Nights) is kind of out of the blue looking at her posts - unless she hit it right with her "this is totally random, hey it's Day1, totally random..." etc. behaviour. I'd think wolves like Mith or Boro would jump on that (not discussing now who the original wolves were, and anyhow at least one of them was) and think her a seer who had luckily got it right...

Arrgghh!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me?

Nogrod, I too am seeing a lot of sense in what Aganzir posts; this is why I'm especially sensitive to the idea of her stringing us along. I agree with her the first few days; then she looks really suspicious; now she speaks more sense again. She's tricksy.

Could go either way with her.

No indication of who I'm going to hunt (and not only because I have absolutely no idea yet who I'll choose!). I know I wasn't able to contribute today but I'll hopefully be able to do a lot more tomorrow (in the night -- I need to look at the Formendacil stuff) and the next day too -- or, failing that, kill the wolf who dares disturb my slumber.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here are the votes (Days 1 and 2 by courtesy of Mr. Nilp Felagund).

I've bolded the votes of those yet alive.

I've italicized the votes of those known to be wolves at least at some point of the game (so not taking sides to the question who was turned)

Sally's votes are underlined - she had bad intentions but only the knowledge of an ordo...


Votes from Day1

Form - Nogrod (Nogrod - 1)
Kit - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1)
sally - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1)
Erenor - sally (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1)
Eomer - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 1)
Eönwë - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2)
Kath - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1)
THE Ka - Rikae (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1)
Durelin - Kit (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Boro - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nilp - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Rikae - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
EW - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nerwen - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Agan - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 4, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nogrod - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 5, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)

Votes from Day2

Nilp - Eönwë (Eönwë - 1)
Kit - Agan (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1)
Erenor - EW (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
THE Ka - Eönwë (Eönwë - 2, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
EW - Eönwë (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
Form - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 2)
Eomer - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
Shasta - Eönwë (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
Eönwë - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 4)
Rikae - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 5)
Nerwen - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 6)
Sally - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 7)
Boro - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 8)
Agan - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9)
Nogrod - Kit (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9, Kit - 1)

Votes from Day 3

Aganzir -> Nilp
Mith -> Nogrod
Rikae -> Formendacil
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë
Eomer -> Nilp (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1)
Shasta -> Eomer (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1)
Eönwë -> Nilp (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1)
Form -> Eomer (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2)
Boro -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith1)
Dury -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith2)
Nog -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3)
Sally -> Nilp (Nilp4, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3)

From Day 4

Kitanna – Mith
Eomer – Shasta
Mith – Shasta (Mith1, Shasta2)
Eönwë – Mith (Mith2, Shasta2)
Rikae – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form1)
Sally – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form2)
Nogrod – Mith (Mith3, Shasta2, Form2)
Form – Mith (Mith4, Shasta2, Form2)
Boro – Shasta (Mith4, Shasta3, Form2)
Aganzir – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form3)
Shasta – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form4)

Day 5

Aganzir -> Kitanna
Kitanna – Shasta
Shasta reveals
Rikae -> Aganzir
Boro “reveals”
Boro -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1)
Shasta -> Boro (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Eomer -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta3, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Form -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta4, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Nogrod -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta5, Aganzir1, Boro1)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me?

Exactly my thoughts as well... and all the effort she needs to go through posting only from a library...

[Nogrod]

I didn't find Eönwë voting yesterDay. Just a RL problem or frightened to take sides?

Eönwë has voted for Mith twice though (Days 1 and 4).

Rikae voted for Nerwen to bring her even with VI, Mith and Eönwë on Day2. After that she has been after Form and now Aganzir...

If there is a turned wolf alive I'd say Rikae would fit the description... and her crusade to spread the votes away from Mith would fit the picture.

With Agan's votes I'm just disagreeing! She has played it very safe and it all looks cunningly so - the thing she accuses Kit of - and only lately has been a deciding factor... Hard to say now.

Kitanna has voted for two different wolves...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There's in a way no problem with her, she plays nice, considerate, reasonable... but somehow I'm not able to trust her - it's like with Kitanna... I could say the same of her as well.

I had the same problem with Rikae on the first days, but then I just found myself agreeing with her so much that I couldn't really suspect her anymore... I should probably go back and see which things we agreed on (like, was she, too, sure about Nilp's guilt?).

And somehow I'm not so sure about Kitanna anymore. She has started to look like the kind of person whom I always suspect, rather than a real wolf. I don't know - somehow I'm just more concerned about Rikae and Eönwë now.

Originally Posted by Nog

and all the effort she needs to go through posting only from a library...

Actually, I haven't had to go to the library yet - only one of my best friends is getting totally annoyed with me hanging on her laptop, at her house, typing ww posts for hours and being ready "soon, I just must do yet this" (she's nodding contently at this passage).

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My list has got a new look.

Guilty, from the most to the least guilty-looking
Rikae. The reasons she's going after me aren't pretty convincing - on the first glance it looks like they are proper ones, but they don't bear further looking (my case looks forced, that grinning episode is creepy, whatever), they're just nicely phrased. Plus the things I mentioned in that post of mine which handled Mith & Boro's connections.
Eönwë. When did he become silent? After day 2 or 3? Where is he now? I think his connections with Mith and Boro are a bit fishy. I remember considering him innocent earlier, a great part of my reasoning being that a newbie wolf would probably be more apparent. However, I'm not so sure about him anymore.
Kitanna. I don't really know about her. I'm not nearly as confident about her as yesterday, but I'm not ready to consider her innocent yet, either.

Innocent
Eomer
Nogrod. If he's a wolf I promise to do the dishes for him when we go to their summer cottage because then I totally deserve it.

Okay, I'm heading home now.

edit: xed with Nogrods

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

With Agan's votes I'm just disagreeing! She has played it very safe and it all looks cunningly so

Guess how stupid I'm considering myself when looking at my votes.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Somehow it looks like she knew there would not be a competing claim (since Shasta was the ranger). If you have suspected him yourself, didn't it occur to you that he might have just been bluffing in order to out the ranger, since he was heavily suspected?

I don't even understand this. Why should I have? I didn't even realize the ranger could protect himself until after Boro mentioned it, and I just assumed any false ranger would be discovered by his survival, as usual. If Shasta were a false ranger, I certainly didn't see any reason why the real ranger should put himself on the wolves' menu that night just to reveal a wolf who would be caught anyway. I still didn't understand it after Boro's revelation.
Now, why are you seemingly convinced that what Boro did made perfect sense - so much so that I should expect someone to do it, and so much that he could have expected his fellow wolf to do it if that wolf were around? To me, his stunt looks, frankly, nutty.

[Eönwë]

First of all, the obvious:

++Boromir88

[Eönwë]

Hmm... Have I become a chief suspect now?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Whoops, a correction to my last post. Eönwë was indeed around after Shasta's revelation (but did he vote? No? Why?).

My internet died on me, just as I was about to post. Not my fault.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Eönwë (because of Kath-kill)

And how am I connected to the Kath kill, someone please tell me.

[Eönwë]

The only problem is that now we have no ranger and no seer, so all our defensive powers are gone, and the wolves are free to do what they want, without being stopped or seen. That's obviously why they killed Shasta.
So that they could be free.

[Rikae]

Eönwë, you mean so he or she could be free? Because here goes the second (third) wolf:

++Boro

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Eönwë, you mean so he or she could be free? Because here goes the second (third) wolf

Well, yes and no. Last night they were free, but from today onwards, there will only be one who is.

[Boromir88]

If there is a turned wolf alive I'd say Rikae would fit the description... and her crusade to spread the votes away from Mith would fit the picture.~Nogrod

But why would a wolf Rikae be that obvious in defending a wolf? And one that was going to get lynched?

RIP Mith, I'm sorry for stabbing you in the back but it was Nogrod who turned the knife.

Eomer have you considered that Aganzir has had good coaching overnight?

Kitanna you know my mind too well to be innocent.

And how am I connected to the Kath kill, someone please tell me.~Eonwe

Because I told you to kill her.

[Boromir88]

Now I bow out and say my good bye. I have some last words for all of you. Do I get something for being a good wolf and going out nicely?

To Kitanna: Go all the way for me and your fellows.

To Agan

To Eonwe: Do exactly as we discussed and you won't fail.

To Rikae: It's been an honour

To Nogrod: You are the biggest backstabber I have ever seen.

And last but not least, to Eomer: You sly hunter you, my only regret has been not killing you 2 nights ago. I didn't have the guts.

[Nogrod]

Hey Boro! We're not listening to you any more, as sad as it is...

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And how am I connected to the Kath kill, someone please tell me.

The only post Kath made on Day1 that said something else than "I'm busy" or "Just coming in" was this:

Originally Posted by Kath

Random vote because hey, it's Day 1. So truly random, I'm voting for the last person to post.

++EONWE

And after that the wolves tried to kill her. They indeed spent two Nights to do that (okay, it was a safe kill the next Night but anyway).

So were they thinking Kath was a seer (she doesn't normally vote like that on Day1 even if she tends to hide in the shadows anyway) as she hit it right? I think players like Boro or Mith would have thought of that - as I said already earlier. And I know it from experience that the wolves will try to kill anyone they even remotely think is the seer - how discriminating that might be to anyone of them - as the first thing. The seer is the dangerous opponent and s/he should be killed a.s.a.p. whatever thew cost.

So that's why...



Looking at the latest posts I must say I'm really torn between Agan and Rikae. They both look considerate and sensible.

Maybe Agan's actual involvement speaks bad for her and vice cersa? Then again I'd hate that kind of a conclusion as I myself think an innocent should play hard and full and give all s/he has to give for the common cause. The most, I would hate to lose to a sneaky "non-committal" wolf who just snaps in and doesn't really care to actively play...

This is hard indeed.

But it's good we have a wolf to Day, it's only toMorrow we'll have the hard times... those of us who will take part in it.

[Brinniel]

Deadline. Everyone silent!

Boromir88 has been lynched. Ehm...I might not have the narration up for awhile, but all you really need to know is that Boromir was a wolf....which was already pretty obvious.

Night 7 has begun...and I promise to get the narration up sometime tonight.

[Brinniel]

The day passed by rather slowly and quietly for the remaining BDers. After killing Shasta the ranger yesterday, the truth behind Boromir’s identity became apparent and even Boromir didn’t bother hiding it as he showed up for the day just as furry as he was the night before.

So the BDers sent Boromir to the timeout corner to think about his actions while they talked about him.
“Boromir is obviously a nutter to reveal like he did,” said Rikae.
“It makes perfect sense to me,” Eönwë argued. “The wolves wanted to rid themselves of an extra gifted so they could fly free….like birds….”
“Instead of speculating, why don’t you just ask me why I did it?” Boromir called out from his corner.
“Because we aren’t listening to you anymore, wolf,” Nogrod shouted back. “Now turn back around and think about what you’ve done.”
Boromir muttered to himself as the other BDers huddled together and changed the subject to who the fourth wolf could possibly be.

Eventually the discussions died down and the hour arrived to decide the fate of Boromir.
“So Boro, have you thought about your actions?” asked Eomer.
“Yes,” he replied.
“And are you sorry for what you’ve done?”
“Of course not. Some of those BDers have provided quite the tasty meal.”
“Well, I guess we’re gonna have to kill you then,” said Kitanna.
“Oh c’mon, give me a break,” Boromir whined. “I’ve been a good wolf. I confessed.”
“So what…you want a cookie?” Aganzir responded.
Boromir grinned back at her, showing off his giant wolf teeth.
“Ugh, let’s just kill him already,” said Eönwë.

Nogrod volunteered to perform the execution. He picked up an ax and separated the wolf’s head from its body in one clean blow.
“Hurray!” cried the others as blood splattered onto them. “More blood, more blood!”
And Nogrod continued to hack apart the dead wolf limb from limb. After he was done, the BDers dumped Boromir into the fire pit and Aganzir lit a match. The remains burst into flames and that evening the BDers celebrated with a bonfire. They danced, sang camp songs, and roasted marshmellows. But as the flames died down, the sound of Boromir’s evil laughter erupted from the fire pit.

After all, though the BDers had caught yet another werewolf, there was still one more among them.

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Eomer of the Rohirrim~easily-offended trendy
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)
Durelin~ Unreliable RPG Addict~made a delicious s’more (moderator seer)
Mithalwen~ therapist~provided a satisfying meal while keeping her BDers warm (hacker/wolf)
THE Ka~Artful Dodger~took a wrong turn (ordo)
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien~suffered from a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome (spammer/cobbler)
Shastanis Althreduin~ chatspeak translator~became an easy target (moderator ranger)
Formendacil~ Tolkien Canonist~wasn’t very good at hiding (ordo)
Boromir88~ the one upper~made excellent firewood (hacker/wolf)

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It is currently Night 7.

To the remaining wolf and hunter, please send in your choices if you have not yet done so. Everyone else remain quiet.

[Brinniel]

The hunter had trouble sleeping for the last few nights. He had been kept restless wondering when the werewolves would come for him. And now with only one left, it was more important than ever for him to do his job. So when he heard movement come from outside his tent, the hunter was ready. The wolf had finally come for him, but he would not go down without a fight. So the hunter put on his ninja mask and picked up his sword, sneaking out of the backside of the tent. This time he would have the element of surprise.

The wolf opened the tent door only to find the inside empty. Where was he? Then from behind came a “Hiya!” and the wolf suddenly felt a blow to the head. The wolf stumbled, but managed to dodge the next blow. And at last, the wolf and hunter came face to face.

The hunter ninja-attacked his enemy, while the wolf fought back using its supreme kung fu skills. The two went at it for much of the night, creating the ultimate martial arts action scene. Finally, the hunter caught the wolf off guard and grabbed it by the neck.
“Aha! I’ve got you now!” he triumphed. But suddenly his expression changed to one of surprise as he looked into the werewolf’s eyes. “Wait a minute….you aren’t the one I expected.”
The werewolf laughed at the hunter. Taking advantage of his confusion, the wolf wiggled free of the hunter’s grip, then sunk its teeth deep into his throat.

Tonight, victory would belong to the werewolves.

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The next morning, the BDers woke to discover the entire camp left disheveled ; it was evident that there had been a struggle the previous night. But in the center of the camp lay only one body—the bloodied hunter, Eomer. On his forehead was written one word: LOSER.

With no more moderators left to help them, the battle was now left between the ordinary BDers and the remaining werewolf.

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)
Durelin~ Unreliable RPG Addict~made a delicious s’more (moderator seer)
Mithalwen~ therapist~provided a satisfying meal while keeping her BDers warm (hacker/wolf)
THE Ka~Artful Dodger~took a wrong turn (ordo)
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien~suffered from a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome (spammer/cobbler)
Shastanis Althreduin~ chatspeak translator~became an easy target (moderator ranger)
Formendacil~ Tolkien Canonist~wasn’t very good at hiding (ordo)
Boromir88~ the one upper~made excellent firewood (hacker/wolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim~ easily-offended trendy~his ninja moves could not match kung fu werewolf (moderator hunter)

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Day 7 has begun.

The remaining five may now discuss.

[Nogrod]

Quite a move!

Now this suggests me a two things to begin with...

First of all the wolf is either incredibly bold or then felt her/himself relatively safe to do that. Killing a known innocent is good politics for a wolf when the village becomes smaller and smaller anyway.

Secondly I think this lessens my suspicions on Aganzir a bit as looking at Eomer's posting from yesterDay she would have had all the reason to fear Eomer was targetting her.

I'll go and check Eomer's posts a bit to get a clearer view.

PS. I'm going to a theater festival for two days tomorrow in the countryside and need to go to sleep a bit earlier than usual during the vacation - and I'm going to vote early toDay for the same reason as I'm not sure there is an internet connection there.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here's what we have from Eomer yesterDay.
(These are not individuals posts as such but selected parts from them which in a way or other deal with his suspicions or intended actions)

Originally Posted by Eomer

I suspected Aganzir quite a lot, before this Ranger nonsense. I wonder: Formendacil was killed, despite getting 4 votes the other day. I wonder if wolfy-Aganzir, say, thought that only Form would remember that silliness, and took him out so that the village would forget.

Let me also say: good point Aganzir, and one which makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe that's why Form was killed. He and Nogrod could be excused because they were both around and, indeed, more suspicious looking than Boro. Pity about Form but maybe this means Nogrod looks quite good.

I've just been panicking slightly because I thought we had only one chance to get things right tomorrow. Luckily I had forgotten about one of our quieter players, Eonwe. Great relief!

I should not speculate on who I find most suspicious today, because I don't really want the wolves to come after me (known innocent will make our odds much nicer on that last day). So I don't want to give the wolves any part of my mind.

Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me?

Nogrod, I too am seeing a lot of sense in what Aganzir posts; this is why I'm especially sensitive to the idea of her stringing us along. I agree with her the first few days; then she looks really suspicious; now she speaks more sense again. She's tricksy.

Could go either way with her.

No indication of who I'm going to hunt (and not only because I have absolutely no idea yet who I'll choose!). I know I wasn't able to contribute today but I'll hopefully be able to do a lot more tomorrow (in the night -- I need to look at the Formendacil stuff) and the next day too -- or, failing that, kill the wolf who dares disturb my slumber.

A few comments to follow... in a moment...

[Nogrod]

He talked the most of his suspicions of Aganzir and went a little to and fro with it (why her sensible posts could still be wolfy).

He seemed to imply he thought I was innocentish.

He mentioned that he had forgotten Eönwë.

He didn't mention Rikae or Kitanna at all.

He underlined it twice that he shouldn't speculate about his real suspicions as not to give the wolves a hint about whom is he going to hunt.


The earlier Days do not give much in way of helping...

On Day3 he had this list which I just found too amusing not to post it.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Innocent
Aganzir
Boromir
Rikae
Eonwe
Kitanna

So all the remaining players - except me who was under the header "dodgy" - and Borowolf of course.

But basically Eomer just ranted with Shasta and speculated about Boro's revealment. So nothing that would help us much.

THe only post where he speculates about someone still living is from Day5 where he says.

Aganzir and Shasta look very evil and wolvish to me.

I'm not sure both Shasta and Aganzir would have voted Formendacil at the end (were they both wolves). I'm thinking only one is. Actually, that's a good spot Agan; I remember Shasta defending Mith there. I must say, though, that your case against Kitanna does not convince me. It seems a bit too ... constructed, if you like.

So only confirming us that he suspected Aganzir the last Days (but not on the first).

I didn't go back to Days1 and 2 as I thought it wouldn't help us anymore. But if someone has time...


My thoughts then.

Being a little easier with Aganzir I'd say that the last remaining wolf is one of Rikae, Kitanna or Eönwë. They all seemed to have reason to believe they were safe from Eomer's hunting.

I've already voiced my suspicion of Eönwë as Kath's out of the blue "This is soo random!" -vote on him on Day1 could have alarmed the wolves to attack her as the possible seer.

I'm somewhat uncomfortable with Rikae. She feels calculated and her Form bandwagon almost saved Mith. Then again it seems I have no clearer points and would love to trust her in the end game. She would definitively one able to take the risk and kill Eomer though...

Kitanna I suspected a lot in the early Days for being all too careful but then again she has voted "well" all the time... Even too well to be an innocent without knowledge? Her station as always voting the first or second kind of gives her an advance for ducking suspicions.

Hard to say.

Or then Aganzir is just the most unscrupulous and bold wolf who loves to live dangerously...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

He talked the most of his suspicions of Aganzir and went a little to and fro with it (why her sensible posts could still be wolfy).

He seemed to imply he thought I was innocentish.

He mentioned that he had forgotten Eönwë.

He didn't mention Rikae or Kitanna at all.

He underlined it twice that he shouldn't speculate about his real suspicions as not to give the wolves a hint about whom is he going to hunt.

The hunter's role relies on taking someone down in the event of his death. It's hard to say what Eomer or the wolf were thinking during the Night. We could have a very bold wolf or one who felt they were in no real danger.

With so few villagers left, Eomer could have been suspicious of any of us and could have chosen anyone without actually vocalizing it (for what I'm sure are obvious reasons). I don't think what he said during the Day is going to be an overwhelming help just given the amount of us left and the fact Eomer was known as the hunter.

That said I'll probably only half rely (if not less) on what Eomer said, since it's all speculation.

As of right now I have to go for a little while, but when I come back I'd like to look at Eonwe. I dropped my suspicions of him in light of bigger fish to fry, but I'd like to take another, harder look at him. And because of work I will have to vote early again.

[Nogrod]

Oh my... one post.

Well, I guess it was a fool's hope in the beginning you would flood the thread while I slept...

Okay. I need to go now and as I can't promise I find a net connection in the evening I will vote as well.

++ Eönwë

It looks to me the most straightforward choice as it would explain why the wolves picked Kath in the beginning. Also he was playing quite suspiciously in the beginning (possibly almost too suspiciously to be a wolf indeed which worries me a bit) but has clearly played more easily after that which could suggest some guidance from the fellow-wolves...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also he was playing quite suspiciously in the beginning (possibly almost too suspiciously to be a wolf indeed which worries me a bit) but has clearly played more easily after that which could suggest some guidance from the fellow-wolves...

I was thinking about that myself. I think Eonwe was innocent at the beginning and then was changed. That would explain his often frantic obsession with the bandwagons that started against him (what innocent wouldn't be terrified?) He was absolutely horrified that Kath "started" a bandwagon against him and didn't buy into her random vote. I think he was changed and then slowly changed his playing style so as not to arise any more suspicions. His playing style changed over time and after people starting pushing him down on their suspect lists. He moved out of sight and mind and all the while his posts seem to have become more helpful and less frantic. Of course Eonwe may just buckle under pressure.

[Kitanna]

The only person left now that I have given no real thought to is Rikae. I stated the other day I had paired her with Boro in the "unsure" group. In light of Boro's role and the fact there are so few of us left it is clear it would be unwise and potentially dangerous not to have a look at Rikae. I am going to go through her posts and get through as much as I can before I go off to work.

As of right now I suspect Eonwe the most and like most other days I'm going back and forth on how I feel about Nogrod and Agan. Though for the most part I am inclined to believe Nogrod is innocent. Agan, well I've been going back and forth since day one. I say guilty because I am not wholly convinced of innocence. But for now I will hold off deciding anything until I have a look at Rikae.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, why are you seemingly convinced that what Boro did made perfect sense - so much so that I should expect someone to do it, and so much that he could have expected his fellow wolf to do it if that wolf were around? To me, his stunt looks, frankly, nutty.

Because attacking Shasta in the night would have been pretty risky - a missed kill this late in the game when there are so few of us left is not what the wolves want.
I am convinced that what Boro did made sense, but I don't know why it was just Boro who did it, given that he was one of the least suspected. But I can't see what's nutty in getting the ranger lynched, even at the cost of sacrificing himself, when the other option was to have a known innocent in the village, possibly for several days (since who knows if Shasta had gambled and not protected himself the first night after his revelation?).

Originally Posted by Boro

But why would a wolf Rikae be that obvious in defending a wolf? And one that was going to get lynched?

Because no one would think she were.

Originally Posted by Nog

So were they thinking Kath was a seer (she doesn't normally vote like that on Day1 even if she tends to hide in the shadows anyway) as she hit it right?

Or did they want a random kill that would help to frame innocent Eönwë? Or was Kath just totally random?

Originally Posted by Nog

Maybe Agan's actual involvement speaks bad for her and vice cersa?

Haven't I been actually involved until now?

**

I've reached the point of not trusting anyone.

If anyone else but Eomer had died in the night, I would be gunning for Nogrod now. No one seems to be suspecting him but he's still alive.

Rikae just feels wrong.

Somehow I'm feeling a bit better about Kitanna (and now, if you're the wolf, I don't know what I'll do when the game ends ).

And I would really love to see Eönwë post more today. Your opinions, whatever, just post.

**

I could try to do something useful and go through Rikae's posting.

edit: xed with Kitanna. Great - I'll do something else then. Like, check Eönwë's posts.

[Kitanna]

Day 1:

Red

Kitanna
The Elf Warrior

Orange

Nerwen
Aganzir
Sally
Eönwë

Yellow

Shasta
Boro
Kath
Durelin
Eomer
Nogrod
Sixth
THE Ka
Form
Nilp
Mith
McCaber

Green

Rikae

Her first suspicions were as such. She seemed to have a gut feeling about EW and was agreeing with Nogrod about my vote from Day 1. She ends up voting for one of her oranges though. Her vote for Nerwen makes sense in that she didn't like Nerwen's Form/Agan/Nilp brawl theory and she thought it was a premature wolf move.

But what about her red suspects? What had changed and why did Nerwen's not answering of her question push her high enough on Rikae's suspect list to be voted for?

Day 2:

She returns to suspecting EW above all others. She defends Mith against the Mith voters (Eonwe and Eomer) from Day 1. Because of the Ranger save she feels better about Nogrod. She makes a few comments regarding Eonwe's vote for Mith as a cross post or maybe a lie about a cross-post and/or that sort of speculation. Mostly it boils down to Rikae not thinking Eonwe was all that well reasoned in voting for Mith.

If EW doesn't start speaking up in a helpful and non-evil manner very soon, I suggest we lynch him. He's contributing very little and what he does contribute exudes evil.

Granted quiet villagers (whether quiet for RL reasons or because they're hiding something) are dangerous. But in EW's case he could well have been a wolf kill that left few tracks, like many of the early kills were. What does that say about Rikae? I have no idea. Her vote from Day 2 broke the EW/Eonwe tie, but I don't find it overwhelming suspicious because it was clear from Day 1 she was going to vote for EW at some point or another.

Day 3:

She has one post where she votes for Form on a hunch. Because of RL issues she was unable to explain her hunch at the time.

Day 4:

Formendacil~I thought him likely to choose Kath as a kill yesterDay, and he seems to be taking a very controlled, rather ... hypnotic? ... tone. I just have a bad feeling about him.

Here she explains a bit about Form.

She also lists her other suspicions in the same post.

Kitanna~eh. I'm still uneasy about her, especially because of the way Shasta and Formendacil dismiss her.
Aganzir~Neg-repping and spamming do go well together...
Shastanis Althreduin~ I will have to look at him more closely. Really, he needs to be properly analysed, though I'm not sure I have time.

Some she has flying under her radar.

satansaloser2005~Not getting much of a read on her, as usual.
THE Ka ~ No idea. Flying under the radar a bit.
Eönwë ~ Another that has fallen off the radar. There is far too much of this going on...

She defends Mith a bit.

Mithalwen~Not looking especially suspicious to me at the moment, and I find myself wondering where that bandwagon yesterday came from.

She also states a belief in Boro's innocence.

Boromir88~ToDay he seems quite sensible and sincere, at least.

Next she does a Shasta analysis and finds him less wolfish than before. Is not pleased with how the votes have been narrowed to Shasta and Mith. Doesn't feel inclined to vote for either. Feels nervous about Nogrod and I and entertains the idea Eomer may be the spammer.

Eh? No one else found you suspicious yesterDay - if I thought you were doing something obviously suspicious, I would have pointed it out, even in the limited time I had - but I merely had a bad feeling. It was pretty obvious you weren't going to be lynched.
And I still find you suspicious toDay. I was just waiting to see if my suspicions would be confirmed by your behavior, and... guess what?

Responds to a Form query. Again she talks of her hunch and how Form has in a way done nothing to stop her suspicions of him. For the second day in a row she votes for him.

Day 5:

With Mith a confirmed wolf she apologizes to Form about her hunch vote and says either Shasta or Agan are wolves because of the way they followed her vote. Here is where I find myself confused. The reference to Agan's grinning. Creepy? Perhaps. But I never found it suspicious. And if I'm not mistaken (I have no time to check) others found it creepy as well.
She states Shasta's was the vote that almost saved Mith. She wonders why he voted Form and not Mith. She finds Agan more wolfish though and believes her reasoning for suspecting me is forced. She also believes the way Agan deals with Shasta is to ambiguous.
She explains what she found creepy about Agan's grinning and votes for her. She seems to believe Boro was the Ranger or at least her questioning his "ranger save" of Night 2 suggests she did.

Day 6:

Not a whole lot that points toward guilty or innocent.

Now what to think of Rikae.

Things that point toward innocence
She votes for Form two days in a row. I don't feel that's a wolfish thing to do. It could be, but such a move doesn't feel overwhelming evil.

Her votes and suspicions have been pretty constant since Day 1.

Things that point toward guilt
After Form survived a bandwagon she was willing to completely drop her hunch about him. Form was in no way confirmed an innocent at that point, I find it fishy she was so ready to apologize and forget him.

I don't understand why she voted Nerwen on Day 1 over EW who she seemed pretty sure was a newbie wolf. Or even me for that matter. We were both in her red zone and she didn't vote for us.

Things that could go either way
Her defense of Mith. I'm a bit rusty with WW, but in my experience most wolves don't consistently defend their mates. They distance themselves or suspect them just enough. That's why her defense of Mith is tricky. She could be an innocent defending someone she felt was not guilty, but just as easily she could have been fooling us all so if Mith died she wouldn't look bad.

She was looking to rid the village of the somewhat unhelpful EW. Again tricky because it can be annoying to have a player who innocent or guilty rarely contributes. Her constant suspicion of him and her vote fit together nicely. Could be innocent, but then again her vote placement was pretty convenient on Day 2 which could have been her grand design or maybe it was a coincidence.

Hard to say with Rikae. Some things look innocent enough, but there are a few things that feel wrong.