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Old 03-08-2007, 02:19 PM   #601
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Legate you credit me with a guile I don't possess
Pshaw. Don't believe a word of it, Legate. She's as guileful as Guileful Jack McGuile, winner of this year's Mr Guile competition.
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:27 PM   #602
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Not guileful merely beguiling........

And to think I was about to vote for Hookbill having decided I might have been wrong about you ....... I have been a wolf twice. First time I was Fenris, second I was with Roa...... nuff said :
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:32 PM   #603
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Sorry I couldn't be around more. Very, very long school day, and I gave blood and haven't had anything substantial to eat...well, really at all today...so I need to eat and lie down really soon.

I find Hookbill's behavior strange, but my gut goes more against Gil. Yes, he's Gil, and I remember a time when Gil and Nilp were both very good at getting themselves lynched on the very first Day. But I think we've given him the benefit of the doubt for long enough. His vote for TGWBS really feels like a wolf-on-wolf vote to me, because I think it was pretty clear that SPM was the more prominent lynch candidate that Day, and so Gil's vote for TGWBS was a wolf-on-wolf vote that would look good should TGWBS be lynched, but it was not condemning his comrade indefinitely.

Other than that, he's been hanging on by a thin thread in simple participation.

A simple mistake does not exonerate him. No, I don't think he did it on purpose, but I do believe he really hasn't had much time in RL to post or read the thread. Does that mean I will assume that he is not a wolf, though? Hardly. I learned my lesson on that.

I wish I felt more certain. Like Lommy, everyone's freakin' me out a bit...even her. She's so calm and at ease and I don't want to suspect her for some reason. Which in turn makes me worry about her. Ah, teh condundrum.

Kitanna's behavior, like Hookbill's is a little alarming, but my gut feeling on her makes me think she is innocent. Like I said, I don't like it when people are so certain about someone or something, so Kitanna's back and forthness doesn't really speak "guilty" to me.

Legate's vote for Mith seems a little out of the blue to me...if I'm still alive toMorrow, I will be looking at that... Mith's behavior earlier in the game had me wondering, but lately I've felt her innocent. Still, her comments about being not gifted and so not such a bad lynch are kind of odd to me, considering she only has one vote, along with two other people.


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i was merely entranced, if you will, by SPM's big words as usual, i shall try not to do it this time
Eh? Cute, he's playing "dumb." I know you're not stupid, Gil! (Or gullible.) Far from it. You may be too lazy to use proper capitalization and punctuation, but that's not stupidity.

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I'm hopeful, but I feel like I'm overthinking things at the same time. Blegh.

Speaking of hope, I really hope everyone will vote toDay. Even just (yeah right, just...well, there were four to begin with) two wolves in this size of village can do a lot to sway the voting.

And since it's about...30 minutes or so till the deadline, I wonder if this is going to be another last minute fiasco. Just have to hope it's not the wolves diving in at the last minute.

Edit: Crossed with Lal and Mith

I'm starting to wonder at Lal and Mith's perpetual...standoff. It seems like it has to be fabricated on at least one side. Or have you two been mortal enemies for some time now and I just don't know it?

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Old 03-08-2007, 02:39 PM   #604
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Durelin, I am being honest here and realistic.
.. I unexpectedly have a house guest for the weekend. I don't have net access at home and if I get online on Saturday it will be very briefly. However I signed up for the game and will do my best but part of me would like to be free of the commitment just becasue I can't do it justice. Sorry this should have gon on the admin htread perhaps (but I already flagged my availability).

As for Gil ... I know what you mean but I had wondered if he was gifted .... however his success at faithful spotting could obviously based on wolvish certainty. He has been so much more involved that I thought he had to have a special role. Of course I could be wrong....
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:41 PM   #605
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Gil is usually hard to pin down because his posts are short and usually pretty rare. Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to him aside from a look at who he votes for. But I am alarmed with him now.

So far he has accused and voted for two known faithfuls and I believe it is more than dumb luck. Gil would be the perfect faithful to vote for his comrades without raising the suspicions of anyone. Most of the time I see Gil only lynched for unhelpfulness and little else.

I find it strange he has pegged two faithfuls from the beginning. I'm starting to think Gil has been looked over for too long.

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Old 03-08-2007, 02:45 PM   #606
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. Or have you two been mortal enemies for some time now and I just don't know it?

No usually we are good friends but the fact that she picked needlessly at my post and suspects me .... concentrates my suspicion ... bear in mind she "read me" right when I went Basil Fawlty in Di's game ...... she just seems wrong..

..and once I go off on one I can be hard to redirect......
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:46 PM   #607
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I wasn't questioning your future absence, Mith...

If there is serious fear Gil's a gifted I will withdraw my vote. But I hardly want him or his counterpart to verify that he is, so perhaps I will withdraw my vote now... But I am even more uncertain about everyone else, particularly the other two people who already have a vote.

Argh...15 minutes for me to make up my mind...

I have had bad feelings about Lalaith this entire game, but I have yet to vote for her. She's been so bold and beligerent that I thought her too out in the open to be a wolf, and her voting record.....

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Of course if Gil were a wolf... his compadres might have anticipated that he would have had a short shelf life ...

think if Gil say got lynched v early (not unprecedented) ..the fact that he had pointed the finger at SpM and TGWBS might reduce suspicion on them..on the other hand if we had taken the "Gil being Gil" approach and let him live ..and one ofthe others had been lynched ... he might even have looked seer like.... (though of course the true seer was revealed before that could happen)...
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I am not certain ..... but ..... better vote than not

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I don't want to talk about the gifteds too much, so I feel like I can't really explain why I'm going to keep my vote for Gil...but it stands as it is.

Six minutes left...is Lalaith the only one left to vote?

Edit: Cross with Mith...duh, Mith still had to vote, too....
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Blimey O'Reilly, girl....pot meet kettle.

Anyway I think this Gil bandwaggon is totally misguided.

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Although the more I think about it the more I'd have preferred to vote for Hookbill, had he stood any chance of being lynched.
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I don't want names named... I was jus texplaining my thought process....... I do stand by that notorious first post
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Blimey O'Reilly, girl....pot meet kettle.

Anyway I think this Gil bandwaggon is totally misguided.

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Although the more I think about it the more I'd have preferred to vote for Hookbill, had he stood any chance of being lynched.
He might have done if you had deigned ot vote before literally the last minute ...
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After long days of strife and argument there came a day at last where the villagers’ opinion was almost unanimous. They knew now whom to blame for all the atrocious nightly deeds.

Gil-Galad it is!” Kitanna cried “Let us tie him up and hang him!”

“Can you not see the error of your decision? I am no Faithful!” Gil-Galad said in his defense, but it was futile. Already Mithalwen and Durelin had overwhelmed him and tied him up. Much more Gil brought forward, ever growing more desperate and pleading for his life.

“You are making a graver mistake than you are aware of!” he said, but the others simply laughed at him.

“We know that you are a Faithful. There is no need now to deny it. You have Eressëan blood; half a Noldo you are!” Kitanna explained, and she did not say it with love, not in these days.

Finally, he was brought to the gallows. Muttering and silent curses were the last things that were heard from Gil-Galad, before Kitanna operated the trap-door with satisfaction.

“Rejoice, o Anadûne! Another Faithful hath bitten thy dust!”


But Lalaith spoke up silently: “Um, shouldn’t we at least check whether he truly was faithful?”

“Gladly I will do as you bid me” answered Kitanna, searching Gil-Galad’s hanging body “For a proof of Gil-Galad’s guilt let me now show you his... ranger sword?... engraved with runes for the bane of Eru?”

“But... but didn’t we say that he was a Faithful?” stuttered Hookbill petrified.

“But that does not make it so.” answered Lalaith, shaking her head.

The Númenoreans have lynched their ranger, their protector in the sunless hours. Affected they walked back to their village, now fearing the night.


For the dark was no longer wholesome in this land.


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The Dead:

Macalaure (mod) - brutally killed by Faithfuls in Night One
Garin (ordo) - decapitated with a scythe on Day One
Holbytlass (ordo) - committed suicide to revive Garin in Night Two
The Might (ordo) - committed suicide to help Holbytlass reviving Garin in Night Two
Roa_Aoife (Tar-Míriel / cobbler) - stabbed to death on Day Two
Rikae (High Priest of Annatar / seer) - killed and reformed into a ship by Faithfuls in Night Three
Glirdan (ordo) - another one who committed suicide to revive Garin
Brinniel (ordo) - executed on Day Three
Rune Son of Bjarne (ordo) - disassembled by the Faithfuls in Night Four
the guy who be short (were-faithful) - flew from the Land of the Star with no star to guide him on Day Four
Mänwe (ordo) - killed by a malfunctioning catapult on Day Four
Nogrod (ordo) - received the Gift of Eru in Night Five
The Saucepan Man (were-faithful) - stoned to death on Day Five
Kath (ordo) - made into fish fodder in Night Six
Gil-Galad (ranger) - hanged on Day Six


The Living:

Durelin
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The revealing of the ranger had made the Faithfuls wary. There were some mighty warriors hidden among the otherwise so perfectly peaceful and nonviolent villagers. This night they advanced with great caution and sneaked to the hut of their victim silently. To their surprise, though not to their comfort, they found the door open. Carefully the three figures entered the room. In the dim light they saw their victim lying in her bed, fast asleep. Without a sound they gathered around the bed and drew their swords and on a silent command two of them mercilessly stabbed the sheets and whatever lay beneath them. Then they took away the shredded cloth to find that under it there was...

Nothing but sliced pillows.

They had been fooled! In fear they turned around to protect themselves against what ever attack. And they were right in doing so, because in this second, from a dark corner of the room, Thinlómien sprang onto them with naked blade. Two of the Faithfuls quickly caught their wits and jumped aside, but one hesitated too long. Several quick stabs of Thinlómien’s sword dispatched him.

Not wasting a moment, the other Faithfuls attacked the hunter in the nick of time, forcing a sword through both, her chest and her back. Assuring their success, they twisted their blades and cut Thinlómien in half.

“That was slightly more nerve-wrecking than I expected” said one of the two, breathing heavily.

“You are right, but in the end, we have brought our victim to death.” answered the other “Let us hope we will have an easier play the coming nights.”

They went to their fallen comrade and sighed.

“This was frighteningly close.”

“Indeed. I admit now that it was a good idea to bring this straw puppet. It saved our lives tonight”


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The Dead:

Macalaure (mod) - brutally killed by Faithfuls in Night One
Garin (ordo) - decapitated with a scythe on Day One
Holbytlass (ordo) - committed suicide to revive Garin in Night Two
The Might (ordo) - committed suicide to help Holbytlass reviving Garin in Night Two
Roa_Aoife (Tar-Míriel / cobbler) - stabbed to death on Day Two
Rikae (High Priest of Annatar / seer) - killed and reformed into a ship by Faithfuls in Night Three
Glirdan (ordo) - another one who committed suicide to revive Garin
Brinniel (ordo) - executed on Day Three
Rune Son of Bjarne (ordo) - disassembled by the Faithfuls in Night Four
the guy who be short (were-faithful) - flew from the Land of the Star with no star to guide him on Day Four
Mänwe (ordo) - killed by a malfunctioning catapult on Day Four
Nogrod (ordo) - received the Gift of Eru in Night Five
The Saucepan Man (were-faithful) - stoned to death on Day Five
Kath (ordo) - made into fish fodder in Night Six
Gil-Galad (ranger) - hanged on Day Six
Thinlómien (hunter) - cut in half by the Were-Faithfuls in Night Seven


The Living:

Durelin
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Kitanna
Lalaith
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Mithalwen

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Old 03-09-2007, 03:24 PM   #617
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Oh great. When I said the Gil bandwaggon was misguided, I little realised quite how misguided it was. Not only killing our ranger, but also outing our hunter. Only two people defended Gil and clearly one of them had to be the hunter. It obviously wasn't me - Gil suspected me and I when I was about to be lynched, I would either have died quietly, taking either Saucie or guy with me, or I would have outed myself. So the wolves knew it had to be Lommy.

I fear we really are shafted, innocents. A quiet village, our hunter (and one of our most perceptive and trusted players) gone.
I hoped Lommy would take someone with her. But we have to work with what we have. She would have submitted a list of two, and neither of those two were guilty. We have to work out who those two could have been.

To help us - now that the real Hunter is dead, I will reveal my theory of yesterday.

I think Kath was killed because the wolves thought she was the ranger.

Earlier that Day, Kitanna gave a list of three suspects. Then Kath questioned her choice. Remember the Ranger and Hunter know of each other, but cannot communicate. The Hunter was at that point (Saucie had not yet been killed) submitting a list of three to the Mod God. So this could have been interpreted as the Ranger attempting to communicate with the Hunter. I myself wondered at that time if Kitanna was the Hunter and Kath the ranger, and I hoped the wolves would not pick up on it.
So, I believe the wolves thought this way, also.

Now, if my theory is correct, it absolves Kitanna from guilt. I also think that Lommy, judging by her vote of yesterday, had Kitanna atop of her Hunter list. Yet no-one died with her.
Then, look at Kitanna's list of suspects. If the wolves thought she was the Hunter, would they not kill her, if her list was a list of innocents? Two innocents with one blow. On that list was Hookbill, follwed by Gil, and then myself.
Gil was, as we know, innocent. As am I. (Besides which, I was clearly third and by this time Saucie was dead, so only two names would be allowed).
Top of the list was Hookbill.
This looks very bad for him. This is why I suspect him, strongly. I also suspect Durelin and Mith.

Legate, I feel confident about you. I think you feel confident about me. We need to vote together today if we can survive. Kitanna, by my theory, is also innocent. Perhaps if we three can agree to vote together, we can survive against the two remaining wolves.

And one of Durelin, Mith or Hookbill must also be innocent.
I wish Lommy had been clearer as to who she put on her hit list. Reading through Thinlomien's posts, I am inclined to think she put Durelin on her kill list. Which would in theory absolve her. I don't know.

What I do know is that if we do not kill a wolf today, we all die.
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Oh, I've just realised of course the Hunter does not kill an innocent if s/he is killed by wolves, only if s/he is lynched.
Does that make a difference to the decision of the wolves to kill Kath rather than Kitanna, if they thought they were the Hunter/Ranger pair? I don't know.
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I am reasonably confident of Lommy's innocence and am inclined to believe gil and Durelin are innocent .... Gil has been on the money all the way through and the fact I agree with him now is encouraging ......

Look what Mith says earlier in the day...and she ends up voting for Gil, with little or no explanation.
Hmm.
Innocents, I think this is a wolf.
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God I feel so stupid...

We are but six, and two among us our wolves...we have no wild cards anymore, no protection...and you're all scary!

Lalaith, you're making sense, though...finally.

I think it quite likely that Lommy would have had Kitanna on her list, but I am not sure who else. We're just lucky (hah, yeah, right) that this type of Hunter does not take innocents down with them in the Night...

Considering the situation we're in, I'm willing to work on the assumption that Kitanna is innocent. I think we kind of have to, because otherwise we're just a mob pointing fingers yet again.

The fact that Lommy voted for Kitanna, along with the good possibility that the wolves have as sharp of eyes as Lalaith does in spotting a possible Ranger-Hunter communication, makes me comfortable with Kitanna's innocence. And the fact that Lalaith has gone through all the trouble to prove this, and suggested the Kath kill was a likely Ranger-slaying attempt makes me feel a lot better about her than I have this entire game. Things are looking a little clearer to me. At least the death of the Hunter has given us some information to work with.

I have thought Hookbill's overly cautious and "oh, don't look at me, I'm new at this" thing was hiding something more, and his vote for Gil yesterDay made me wonder about him even more. Perhaps at the start of a bandwagon lynch of the Ranger is a pretty un-safe place to hide, but that late in the game, getting the Gifteds I imagine would be top priority, especially if they know each other's identity.

Mith's behavior near the end of the voting and at the end was odd... She suddenly warns about Gil possibly being a Gifted, she said before that she thinks him innocent, and then she votes for him anyway... Why? To be lost among the other Gil voters, or just to make sure he couldn't be saved? If she is a wolf, then that will explain all of my confusion about her rather dramatic behavior... I was rather convinced she was innocent until late yesterDay. Perhaps I should feel doubly stupid?

My stomach is killing me, so I'm going to chill for a bit, but I'll be back...

I can tell you right now, though, that my vote will very likely go for either Hookbill or Mith. I will hold off voting as long as I can, though...whoever dies toDay has to be a wolf. There are still four of us innocents out there, so please, please be here and vote!! We haven't lost yet!
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Does that make a difference to the decision of the wolves to kill Kath rather than Kitanna, if they thought they were the Hunter/Ranger pair?
Actually I think it might back up your theory more. Because if they thought Kath and Kitanna a Ranger-Hunter pair, then they went after Kath instead of Kitanna because they thought her the Ranger and wanted to get the Hunter lynched...? It doesn't prove anything on it's own, but...

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Well, I need to get to bed and unfortunately I don't think I'll be back before the deadline. Darn this Catholic guilt that makes me say I'll do something on the weekend that I really really don't want to do...particularly when it gets in the way of WW...

Quick concern about Lalaith - her "Anyway I think this Gil bandwaggon is totally misguided" turned out nice and strategic. Then her "I'd rather have voted for Hookbill if there was any possibility of him getting lynched" bugs me because she didn't drive very hard for his lynching. Playing it safe?

Anyway, I have to vote now... I have felt uneasy about Hookbill the entire game, and his vote for Gil yesterDay looks the most wolfish to me of any of the votes for Gil. On the other hand, Mith's switch on Gil seems really odd to me. But her vote wasn't necessary to lynch him, was it? So then it would be a wasted bold move for a wolf...

I'll go with what my gut has been telling me for a while...

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Please, other innocents, vote toDay!!
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her "I'd rather have voted for Hookbill if there was any possibility of him getting lynched" bugs me because she didn't drive very hard for his lynching. Playing it safe?
Nothing sinister there. My worries about Hookbill were mostly related to my theory which I could only spell out today. I couldn't argue a case for his lynching without explaining my reasons...

I'm now worried that perhaps Lommy changed her list after yesterDay's events. And that it wasn't Kitanna and Durelin on it after all. Perhaps she's screaming in frustration from beyond the grave.

I will not be around toNight after 5pm. Which is nice and handy for any wolves.
But I will post some analysis in an hour or so.
Where IS everyone? Mith and Hookbill have both said they can't be around much.
Kitanna? Legate?
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I have dashed out while my house guest is in teh bath. This may be my only visit! so I may have to vote quickly.

The reason I voted for Gil despite my words and doubts was that while my vote was pointless for the lynch registering any vote yesterday would protect me from summary removal if I couldn't get on line today (real probability) and would keep me in the game assuming I survived ..

Now I am sure a few of you will say that this is becasue I am a wolf but it is just because I am innocent and the village needs me.... to make up the numbers at least.

durelin I share your concern about Lalaith ..that was really fishy given the timing..
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Hmm...this is actually pretty fishy. *points up*

Durelin is happy to accept my analysis, eg by accepting that Kitanna is probably innocent. Yet she departs with a slight attempt to discredit me.
If you think I'm not to be trusted, Durelin, why do you trust my theories?

Then Mith leaps in, not with any speculation about Lommy and her list (which frankly should be the focus of any innocent today, as it one of the few pieces of evidence we have) but jumping on this comment instead.

I'm half way through a big analysis of Durelin, Hookbill and Mith, and I've got some interesting things. I've got to go out now, but I'll be back later this afternoon to post them up and decide on my vote.
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Especially since during the day all she said was I'm a bit worried about Hookbill a couple of times with no supporting evidence.... Hookbill is worrying by his quietness and his I'm a novice I keep quite type approach but this seems like a back covering exercise sine money was not put where mouth was.

I am inclined to think that Hookbill and Lalaith are our remaining wolves and Lalaith was covering her back.

I do however think it unlikely that Lommy would not have someone she had voted for on her list which seems to put Kitanna in the clear.

Durelin ... seems least suspicious of the rest followed by Legate (though he is wrong about me ).

Now while I am surest about Lalaith she has indicated that she is after my blood and Legate may well be consistent...

I know that if you lynch me it is game over ...... so since I am unlikely to get in the time I am left enough support for a Lalaith lynch and Durelin has already voted this is the best option


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I may be able to return this afternoon and if I do will reconsider ...
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This, along with what I've got so far in my analysis, tells me that Mith is almost certainly a wolf and the other wolf is probably Durelin. I was waiting to see which 2 of my trio of suspects would vote together.

++MITHALWEN

If any of the rest of you need convincing I'll be back with my analysis soon.

(Of course, I might be barking up completely the wrong tree. My Lommy-list theory might be completely wrong and the wolves might be Kitanna and Durelin after all. Or Kitanna and Hookbill, for that matter.
Or Legate might be the most fantastically convincing faux-innocent newbie in the history of Werewolf. But given the way the votes have gone already.

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Well, seems our situation is not very nice now. But as long as we have at least something to lean on, there is hope of getting the Faithfuls.

I think Lalaith's and Durelin's observation on Kitanna probably being innocent is quite logical. Maybe we should consider it as a little glimpse of luck in the troubles of yesterDay - we have a highly probable innocent to lean on. And although Lalaith pointed out that there could have been a change in Lommy's list, I think it improbable, since Kitanna voted for Gil, which would only deepen the suspicion, not eased it. So yes, I am ready to consider Kitanna innocent, which leaves out one person of the Faithfuls.

Since many votes are already cast, seems there is nothing much new anyway I could bring forth, and I even don't want to, since confusion could be dangerous. After I re-read what happened in the end of yesterDay, I reconsidered everything and the evidence now seems to strenghten the theory of Mithalwen being a Faithful. Yesterday she said things about Gil-Galad which seem strange, and even though she explains her vote here, this does not exclude the possibility the vote was good for her. Well, anyway, the main point is that our situation allows us only to lynch a Faithful toDay, or everything goes to... Valinor. And since I don't find more evidence against anyone different than Mithalwen, I think this is the choice.

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Great long post coming up. Will anyone read it?

First off – It is highly unlikely we’re seeing any wolf-on-wolf voting today. Why should they? Get a villager lynched and they win. So if Hookbill is a wolf, both Durelin and Mith are innocent. If Mith is a wolf, both Legate and I are innocent.

But....if I am right about Lommy’s list, then Kitanna is innocent.
Mith, Hookbill and I however are all looking suspect because Lommy seems to definitely say she’s not going after any of us.
Her feelings about Durelin and Legate are ambiguous. She says she doesn’t know. Would the wolves take the risk of gambling on this. Argh. It doesn’t make sense, because Hookbill and Mith cannot both be wolves, if I’m right about my first point. And I know I’m not a wolf. What is the combination? Legate and Hookbill are another possibility.
So – possible wolf combinations:
Mith-Durelin
Legate-Hookbill

I could in theory be matched with anyone except Mith
Kitanna could in theory be matched with anyone, too.
Question – how valid is my Kath/Kitanna theory? If it is, the Legate-Hookbill combination looks more credible. Is that why Durelin was so ready to accept it?


Ok, lets look at voting records.
Hookbill –
He votes for Manwe (an innocent) and apologises. No wolf was up for lynching that day except Saucie, with one vote from the Cobbler. So nothing particularly interesting there.
Day Two – He does not vote
Day three – Aside from Hookbill himself, everyone who was up for lynching that day was a a known innocent. (I obviously know I am an innocent.) He votes for Manwe, at a time when Brinniel was almost certain to be lynched. Hookbill’s vote came from Kitanna and he was never in any real danger.
Day four – His vote for Saucie here speaks well for him. It was instrumental in getting him lynched (if Modfire catapults had worked correctly!)
Day five – he votes Gil. Apologising. Why?
Day six – he votes Gil again. As he’s only played once, he may not be familiar with Gil’s playing style, so this is possibly forgivable.
Day seven – yet to vote

Guy, in his analysis, thinks he’s “not much to worry about”

Mith –
Day one, votes for me. The only vote I get that day.
Day two – this is interesting. Votes for Saucie, bringing him up to 2 votes – and defends Roa’s right to live Perhaps a bold move for a wolf confident that most people would vote to lynch the cobbler.
Day three – votes for me but switches to Brinniel at last minute. Why switch from one innocent to another? This is a vote which speaks in her favour. Perhaps wolf-mith doesn’t want to be accused of a safe vote again.
Day four – votes for me, just after Saucie does.
Day five – votes for Saucie, at a time when he looks a fairly safe lynch.
Day six, votes for Gil, at the last minute, when he’s safely lynched.
Day seven votes Hookbill.

Guy suspects her on day one but doesn’t vote for her. He clears her on day two but still often raises doubts about her. Sauce on the other hand is inclined to defend her. In his post 379 of suspects he leaves her out altogether. Carelessness? Freudian slip? She raises the point of Lommy’s Glirdan slip, jumped on by both Saucie and guy.

Then there is this business of her vendetta against me. Psychologically, I think a Mith-wolf would go after me like this, if we were on opposing sides – she would prefer that to deviously smarming. She is a nice person, even if she is a filthy Elendil-lover.

(By the way, I just read guy’s analysis of me from Day Four. I can’t believe I didn’t notice that before. He completely lied about who my suspects had been. He said I’d suspected Brinniel, himself and Durelin, and been neutral about Mith and Saucie. absolute nonsense. Durelin was my top suspect, followed by guy, saucie and Mith. Why did he lie? Carelessness? Or some darker purpose?)

Durelin – Day one, votes for Manwe.
Day two - votes for Roa, which brings her clear of Saucie, who had 3 votes
Day three – votes for Rune, bringing him up to three votes.
(On day four, Guy spends a long time analysing her and finds her neutral. He goes on about how long this analysis took him. In order to put someone else off? “It’ll take ages and you won’t find anything of interest anyway.”)
Day four – Votes for Legate, then quickly changes vote to Saucie. This could of course have got him (Saucie) lynched, and speaks in her favour.
Day five – votes for Saucie, second after Lommy. She herself already has 2 votes, from Saucie and Gil.
Day six – votes for Gil
Day seven – votes Hookbill

Kitanna –
Day one - Garin
Day two – does not vote
Day three – votes for Hookbill, quite early. The only vote he got that day.
Day four – votes for me. This puts me in a very vulnerable lynching position.
Day five – votes for Saucie, reluctantly.
Day six – votes for Gil.
Her voting record is terrible and if it wasn’t for Lommy’s list and my Kath theory I’d think her a wolf.
Guy thought her innocent

Legate –
Day one - Manwe
Day two - Votes for Roa, at a time when she is well clear of Saucie.
Day three – votes for Brinniel
Day four – This was the most wolfy day yet, lynch-wise. Legate does not vote. Explains why on admin thread.
Day five – votes Saucie, at a time when his lynching is fairly foregone conclusion.
Day six – votes for Mith, but at a time when Gil looks fairly set for lynching.
Day seven -votes for Mith again.

Guy is ‘uneasy’ but thinks his opinionated style speaks of his innocence. Saucie does not suspect him either.
Hmm...I was under the impression Legate’s voting record was better than this.

For fairness sake, here is my record.
Day one, Holby, switch to Manwe
Day two, Roa, middle
Day three, Brinniel fairly early
Day four – guy, switch to Saucie at last minute
Day five – Saucie, early
Day six Mithalwen, late
Day seven Mithalwen, early.

So....all this makes me feel a little confused. The Durelin/Mith combination just feels right, instinct-wise, but the voting record of Legate, and Hookbill’s position on Kitanna’s list, makes me uneasy.

For the moment, I will let my vote stand.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:05 AM   #630
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So I was horribly surprised to find Gil the ranger. I really thought we had gotten the third faithful.

So, unfortunately this will be my only post for the day. And I'm going to return to one of my suspects, Hookbill. I probably should have voted for him yesterday, but I was certain of Gil (obviously not so certain in the end).

I've stated several times what I think about Hookbill on days past. None of that has changed. I still believe he has been hiding behind this mask of newbieness and he's trying to lead us away from himself by saying he's a "bad judge of character." That's covering one's backside before anything has even happened.

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I just hope I'm right this time.
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Ok.

Even if Hookbill turns up to vote (in which case he will vote for Mith to save himself, whether he is guilty or innocent) then he is now dead, as he was first to reach three votes.

Kitanna, I'm really worried about your choice. If we get it wrong, we all die.
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I just hope I'm right this time.
Well, I don't want to sound like Gandalf Stormcrow, but... if you are not right, then you have sealed the fate of the whole island.

Not that there wouldn't be a possibility that Hookbill is Faithful, but... he still looks probably more innocent to me than Mithalwen. That "honest reluctance" of him seems really honest. I hope your opinion on him is at least that strong that you can with clear conscience vote him. If not, I'd rather re-consider, if possible...

P.S. Now I understand why all you folks play Werewolf. These feelings you sometimes have when you play it cannot be experienced by any other means.
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Well, I must say, I do think it is a little odd that Kitanna wafts in, clearly doesn't talke much interest in the discussion that's gone on today, and just votes on a previous hunch...if I hadn't cleared her in my own mind, as I said, I'd say it looked very wolfish.
I hope that despite my misgivings, Hookbill is indeed guilty. But I disliked the silence of the past two days and I fear that this has been a village killed by apathy.....I must go now and I won't be back before deadline. I hope it is au revoir. If we do have a wolf in Hookbill, and I do not survive the night, please remember the wolf pairs...Legate will almost certainly be the other wolf.
Although I doubt it.
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Nervousity ruled this day in Númenor, so much that many of its remaining inhabitants fell silent almost the whole time. Long Lalaith warned them all not to be hasty with their judgements, but to little avail.

“Whatever!” it was responded “Let’s just kill Hoobill!”

Quickly and with little thought the Númenoreans grabbed Hookbill, who was too shocked to utter a word.

Lalaith and Kitanna took his legs, Mithalwen and Durelin his arms, but the Legate of Amon Lanc took his head. On his command they all pulled and tore his body to parts.

“That’s it!” Mithalwen cheered “Another Faithful lynched! We’re on a good way!”

But the Legate of Amon Lanc smiled: “I would not be so sure about this.” and Durelin joined in the laughter.


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~ Among the Exiles many believed that the summit of the Meneltarma, the Pillar of Heaven, was not drowned for ever, but rose again above the waves, a lonely island lost in the great waters; for it had been a hallowed place, and even in the days of Sauron none had defiled it. ~

~ Thus it was that great mariners among them would still search the empty seas, hoping to come upon the Isle of Meneltarma, and there to see a vision of things that were. ~

But the visions that they saw were different from what they expected. Rotting huts lined the beaches and rotting bodies lay all about the island, some of them gruesomely mauled. On the very peak there was a corpse ripped into five pieces. Around it three more lay, each hacked and stabbed in unspeakable ways, as if killed in one unholy frenzy of bloodthirstiness. Just like their stomaches, the mariners were about to turn, but there they saw two more dead bodies, haggard like succumbed to long hunger and thirst. Next to them, only two words were written into the dirt:

“We won!”


In terror the mariners fled from the island. Without looking back once they sailed back to their Lands of Exile. When asked what they had seen on their long travels and whether the Isle of Meneltarma still rose upon the waves, they recalled what they sought to forget, and all they said was: “All roads are now bent”, so that noone should ever venture again to that horrid place.


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The Dead:

Macalaure (mod) - brutally killed by Faithfuls in Night One
Garin (ordo) - decapitated with a scythe on Day One
Holbytlass (ordo) - committed suicide to revive Garin in Night Two
The Might (ordo) - committed suicide to help Holbytlass reviving Garin in Night Two
Roa_Aoife (Tar-Míriel / cobbler) - stabbed to death on Day Two
Rikae (High Priest of Annatar / seer) - killed and reformed into a ship by Faithfuls in Night Three
Glirdan (ordo) - another one who committed suicide to revive Garin
Brinniel (ordo) - executed on Day Three
Rune Son of Bjarne (ordo) - disassembled by the Faithfuls in Night Four
the guy who be short (were-faithful) - flew from the Land of the Star with no star to guide him on Day Four
Mänwe (ordo) - killed by a malfunctioning catapult on Day Four
Nogrod (ordo) - received the Gift of Eru in Night Five
The Saucepan Man (were-faithful) - stoned to death on Day Five
Kath (ordo) - made into fish fodder in Night Six
Gil-Galad (ranger) - hanged on Day Six
Thinlómien (hunter) - cut in half by the Were-Faithfuls in Night Seven
Hookbill the Goomba (ordo) - fifthed on Day Seven
Kitanna (ordo) - violently killed by victorious Faithfuls on Day Seven
Lalaith (ordo) - viciously killed by victorious Faithfuls on Day Seven
Mithalwen (ordo) - bestially killed by victorious Faithfuls on Day Seven
Durelin (were-faithful) - victoriously starved to death
Legate of Amon Lanc (were-faithful) - victoriously starved to death

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Since there are 2 Faithfuls and 3 Ordos left and it makes little sense to wait a day for Durelin and Legate to decide whom to eat for lunch and whom for supper, the game is now over.

Congrats to the two surviving Faithfuls and to their two martyrous companions!

edit: this means all the dead may now rise from their (non-)graves and start discussing!
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Staaats!

Here's what you've all been waiting to see:


Seer (Rikae):

Night 1: Roa_Aoife - Tar-Míriel
Night 2: Nogrod - ordo
Night 3: Thinlómien - hunter


Hunter (Thinlómien):

Day 1: Rikae, Durelin, Holbytlass, Nogrod
Night 2: Nogrod, Kitanna, Brinniel, Hookbill
Day 2: Roa, tgwbs, Durelin, Kitanna
Night 3: tgwbs, Kitanna, Brinniel, Rune
Day 3: Kitanna, Durelin, tgwbs, Saucepan Man
Night 4: Saucepan Man, tgwbs, Durelin, Kitanna
Day 4: Hookbill, Saucepan Man, tgwbs, Durelin
Night 5: Saucepan Man, Durelin, Kitanna
Day 5: Saucepan Man, Durelin, Kitanna
Night 6: Kath, Legate
Day 6: Kitanna, Legate
Night 7: Kitanna, Hookbill


Ranger (Gil-Galad):

Night 2: Rikae
Night 3: Mänwe
Night 4: Nogrod
Night 5: Durelin
Night 6: Mithalwen


Cobbler (Roa_Aoife):

Day 1: Nogrod, Legate, Brinniel, Durelin
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Well, that was fun!

And kudos to all the Faithfuls for winning, especially Durelin and Legate who played it beautifully to the end! Cheers!

I told you tgwbs, Spm and Durelin were wolves! Why didn't you believe me?

And Oh my! Lommy had a Faithful in her list basically every Night but the one she was killed!

Thanks Macalaure for an entertaining game!

PS. Spm, like I said in the thread, you looked soo suspicious as you played just like I would have played had I been a Faithful...
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Argh! Legate-Durelin...the one combo I didn't think of....I tried out all the others. I knew I was missing something....*falls to floor in frustrated tantrum*

*Recovers*
So lynching Mith wouldn't have helped us anyway.

Fantastic play, you two. And everyone. Legate, that was a bravura newbie performance and no mistake.
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Thanks, Lalaith. And all of you, check the Admin thread, you have a present there (with my long speech, as well).

Nogrod, you were really correct in your clairvoyance! Shame (or: luck ) people didn't believe you that much.

As well as Lommy, I was quite scared of her being the Hunter. Seeing the list it was quite a miracle she dropped me the last Night.
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Old 03-10-2007, 04:37 PM   #640
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The plottings of the cobbler

So, at last, you can find out what I was thinking with all th crazy playing.

Defense of Nogrod/ attack of SPM? To tell the truth, I was fairly certain Nogrod was innocent by the end of Day 1, and I was positive SPM was guilty by the start of Day 2. However, as cobbler, I needed a way to let the wolves know who I was with out tipping off the rest of the village. I couldn't put a hint in my post- it was too much of a risk that someone else would pick it up. I decided that the best way was to vehemently defend someone on Day 1, and put that person at the top of the list that would be sent to wolves. Incredibly obvious for them, but no one else would be any the wiser. I wasn't concerned about SPM geting lynched on the chance that he was a faithful- has he ever been lynched on Day 1? Note, that after a slight mention of my suspicion against him in the beginning of Day 2, and an accusation when he instantly jumped on the "Let's kill Roa" bandwagon, I pretty much dropped my case against him. I took Durelin's "Roa's analysis are helpful and not suspicious in the least," as affirmation that the Faithful had gotten the message.

Besides, going after SPM like that was fun. He's got to be if not the most than one of the most challenging Day-time prey in the first few Days of the game.

Day 2 and all the analysis- note that I found almost everyone slightly suspicious. It was, as some guessed, a giant smoke screen meant to confuse and point everyone in any direction that they wanted to go. As Nogrod said, anyone can be painted black, and if you have one person already pointing suspicion in the direction you were leaning, then it's that much easier to be fooled by it.

(Also, I did agree with all the points Legate made, and I meant it when I said he reminded me of me in my first game. I just meant my first game as a wolf. )

After Rikae came out with her revelations, I didn't really believe that I ever had a chance of surviving. It was fine for me, since as Mith pointed out the village would be at a disadvantage numerically. When I read Rikae's post revealing me, I thought about just accepting my fate and then flooding the post with nonsense, but then I remember that I never do that, and so I decided to go down kicking and screaming. Again, I never expected SPM or Rikae to be lynched in my place, I just wanted to draw as much attention to myself and the debate as possible. In the end, I just wanted Day 2 to be wasted.

And for future notice, I think I may start avoiding games with seers. I just can't get away from that.
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