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symestreem · 03-19-2004, 03:12 PM

I'm going to give it to you, because you're so close that if I didn't accept it I'd be nitpicking.

Mablung fell before the doors of Thingol's treasury.
Haleth fell before the doors of Meduseld.
Denethor's servants (not the porter) fell before the door of the House of Stewards.
Saruman and Wormtongue fell before the door of Bag End.

No one fell before the "door" of Osgiliath because Osgiliath, being a city and not a room or building, would have gates not doors. (It's not even walled, is it?)

*pats thread fondly and walks away* The thread is yours, NightKnight.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-20-2004, 02:04 AM

Foiled again!

NightKnight · 03-20-2004, 04:09 AM

Then get this one, Nil.

Formenos
Angband
Gondolin
Nargothrond
Tol-in-Gaurhoth

The Perky Ent · 03-20-2004, 11:53 PM

Hmm....would it be Angbad?

Formenos - Morgoth invaded and took the simarils
Gondolin - Morgoth's servants discovered and invaded
Nargothrond - Morgoth sent Glaurung to invade the stronghold
Tol-in-Gaurhoth - Sauron invaded and captured the Isle

Therefore, Angbad is the OPO because it was the only place that wasn't invaded by forces of evil!

NightKnight · 03-21-2004, 05:12 AM

That's wrong.

The Perky Ent · 03-21-2004, 08:46 AM

NK, Am i wrong in the sense that my info is wrong, or wrong, but my info is right?

NightKnight · 03-21-2004, 09:58 AM

Your info is right, but your answer is not.

symestreem · 03-21-2004, 11:48 AM

They were all attacked by an opposing force, but Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only one occupied. Or, Formenos was the only one not destroyed or injured in some way.

NightKnight · 03-21-2004, 12:40 PM

Wrong.....

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-21-2004, 09:18 PM

Angband - was occupied by Morgoth.
Gondolin - was occupied by Morgoth's forces
Nargothrond - was occupied by Glaurung, Morgoth's "pet"
Tol-in-Gaurhoth - was occupied by Sauron, Morgoth's lieutenant.

Formenos - OPO

NightKnight · 03-22-2004, 01:20 AM

Wrong again. I'm beginning to think I've made a hard one!

Finwe · 03-22-2004, 03:45 PM

Angband, because it was the only place that was never an Elvish stronghold at any point.

symestreem · 03-22-2004, 03:46 PM

Angband was the only one that wasn't a fortress of the elves.

NightKnight · 03-23-2004, 01:25 AM

Not what I was looking for.

symestreem · 03-25-2004, 07:03 PM

I'm going to go for the really obvious and say that Formenos was the only one that was not located in Beleriand.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-25-2004, 07:47 PM

...was the only one that didn't fall in a battle.

By battle I mean about half a thousand troops on both sides.

NightKnight · 03-27-2004, 06:03 AM

Both wrong.

symestreem · 03-27-2004, 08:18 AM

Gondolin is the only city among them.

Arvedui III · 03-27-2004, 12:16 PM

Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only fortress where an elf destroyed it. (Luthien)

NightKnight · 03-28-2004, 06:57 AM

Nay.

symestreem · 03-28-2004, 09:43 AM

Gondolin was the only one that fell through treachery... wait... wait...

Turgon died at Gondolin
Finrod died at Tol-in-Gaurhoth
Orodreth died at Nargothrond
Finwe died at Formenos

Angband is the only one where an elf-king did not die?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-28-2004, 07:50 PM

...but not actually in/on it.

OK...Formenos was the only one not in Middle-earth?

NightKnight · 03-29-2004, 12:34 AM

Symestreem has the right reasoning, but the wrong OPO. I guess it's who gets here first now...

symestreem · 03-29-2004, 07:44 AM

Symestreem gets here first, but hasn't a clue what you're talking about.

Gondolin is the only one where an elf-king is not slain?

Lindolirian · 03-29-2004, 05:07 PM

Formenos- You put it first in the list. It's gotta be it, cause that's just the way you are...

Ok, and it doesn't fit the rest of the criteria
Angband- Fell because of Earendil's (who was half Man) plea to the Valar for help
Gondolin- Many of its people were saved from its sack by Tuor
Nargothrond- Was destroyed easily because of Turin's decision to build a bridge
Tol-in-Gaurhoth- Was destroyed for the sake of Beren's escape

Formenos was the only one whose downfall did not concern or involve a Man.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-29-2004, 09:45 PM

Tol-in-Gaurhoth is the only place where a High-King of the Noldor didn't die...albeit my father did.

NightKnight · 03-30-2004, 06:30 AM

Nil is very close now.

And Lindo, how do you know I'm like that?

symestreem · 03-30-2004, 08:30 AM

Well, neither Finrod Felagund nor Orodreth were High Kings of Noldor, being the sons of Finarfin...

OK. First, Finwe dies at Formenos, leaving Fingolfin as High King of the Noldor and the oldest of the "accepted" (non-Feanorian/not banished) line. Then, Fingolfin dies at Angband, leaving Fingon as High King of the Noldor and the oldest. Fingon dies in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, leaving Turgon as the eldest in the eldest line. If he was never proclaimed High King, he had the right. Then Turgon dies at Gondolin, leaving... um... I guess Finrod Felagund would be next. He dies at Tol-in-Gaurhoth (sorry, Nil), leaving Orodreth as the eldest who could claim that title. He dies at Nargothrond.

I don't know if this matters, but on your list Nargothrond is the only one that does not fit the above... um... reasoning. The event that occurs there is out of order chronologically... Finrod dies in Tol-in-Gaurhoth before Orodreth dies in Nargothrond. On the list it's out of order. So that would make Nargothrond the OPO because it's the only place where an elf-king didn't die there within that time frame. Ie, noone died there between Turgon's death and Finrod's death.
Does that make any sense whatsoever?

NightKnight · 03-30-2004, 03:15 PM

Eh...I think so. You get it, the answer was as simple as that no elfking died in Nargothrond - Orodreth died at the field of Tumladen.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-31-2004, 09:18 PM

My father can't be High King of Noldor in Middle-earth, because the eldest line was the House of Fingolfin. After Turgon Ereinion Gil-galad was the next king.

Just a tidbit there. Carry on.

symestreem · 04-01-2004, 01:09 PM

I stand corrected, Nilpaurion.
I need a few days to come up with something hopefully easier than my last one... I'll be back then.

symestreem · 04-05-2004, 06:04 PM

Here's the next set. I'm telling you now that it has nothing to do with death. Think happy thoughts!!

Rivendell
Beorn's house
Minas Tirith the 2nd
Vinyamar
Ivrin

The Perky Ent · 04-11-2004, 09:08 PM

Ivrin, the only place where someone didn't live?

Evisse the Blue · 04-12-2004, 12:34 AM

Beorn's house - the only one not near a river?

symestreem · 04-14-2004, 02:11 PM

Nyet.

Bombadil · 04-14-2004, 02:45 PM

Beorn's house,only place not banking off of mountains, or in mountainous area?

symestreem · 04-15-2004, 05:43 PM

Nien. Think happy, hobbit-like thoughts!!!

NightKnight · 04-16-2004, 03:26 AM

Hobbit-like, you say? Does that perhaps involve food?

There were no parties at Ivrin?

symestreem · 04-16-2004, 03:24 PM

Right reasoning, but the wrong OPO.

NightKnight · 04-16-2004, 03:57 PM

Gotta be Vinyamar then.

03-19-2004, 03:12 PM	#561
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	So close! I'm going to give it to you, because you're so close that if I didn't accept it I'd be nitpicking. Mablung fell before the doors of Thingol's treasury. Haleth fell before the doors of Meduseld. Denethor's servants (not the porter) fell before the door of the House of Stewards. Saruman and Wormtongue fell before the door of Bag End. No one fell before the "door" of Osgiliath because Osgiliath, being a city and not a room or building, would have gates not doors. (It's not even walled, is it?) pats thread fondly and walks away The thread is yours, NightKnight.

03-20-2004, 02:04 AM	#562
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Blast! Foiled again! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-20-2004, 04:09 AM	#563
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Then get this one, Nil. Formenos Angband Gondolin Nargothrond Tol-in-Gaurhoth __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-20-2004, 11:53 PM	#564
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Hmm... Hmm....would it be Angbad? Formenos - Morgoth invaded and took the simarils Gondolin - Morgoth's servants discovered and invaded Nargothrond - Morgoth sent Glaurung to invade the stronghold Tol-in-Gaurhoth - Sauron invaded and captured the Isle Therefore, Angbad is the OPO because it was the only place that wasn't invaded by forces of evil! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-21-2004, 05:12 AM	#565
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	That's wrong. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-21-2004, 08:46 AM	#566
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Wrong Wrong, or Right Wrong NK, Am i wrong in the sense that my info is wrong, or wrong, but my info is right? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-21-2004, 09:58 AM	#567
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Your info is right, but your answer is not. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-21-2004, 11:48 AM	#568
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	They were all attacked by an opposing force, but Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only one occupied. Or, Formenos was the only one not destroyed or injured in some way.

03-21-2004, 12:40 PM	#569
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Wrong..... __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-21-2004, 09:18 PM	#570
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Angband - was occupied by Morgoth. Gondolin - was occupied by Morgoth's forces Nargothrond - was occupied by Glaurung, Morgoth's "pet" Tol-in-Gaurhoth - was occupied by Sauron, Morgoth's lieutenant. Formenos - OPO __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-22-2004, 01:20 AM	#571
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Wrong again. I'm beginning to think I've made a hard one! __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-22-2004, 03:45 PM	#572
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Angband, because it was the only place that was never an Elvish stronghold at any point. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

03-22-2004, 03:46 PM	#573
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Angband was the only one that wasn't a fortress of the elves.

03-23-2004, 01:25 AM	#574
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Not what I was looking for. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-25-2004, 07:03 PM	#575
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	I'm going to go for the really obvious and say that Formenos was the only one that was not located in Beleriand.

03-25-2004, 07:47 PM	#576
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Formenos... ...was the only one that didn't fall in a battle. By battle I mean about half a thousand troops on both sides. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-27-2004, 06:03 AM	#577
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Both wrong. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-27-2004, 08:18 AM	#578
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Gondolin is the only city among them.

03-27-2004, 12:16 PM	#579
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only fortress where an elf destroyed it. (Luthien) __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-28-2004, 06:57 AM	#580
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Nay. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-28-2004, 09:43 AM	#581
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Gondolin was the only one that fell through treachery... wait... wait... Turgon died at Gondolin Finrod died at Tol-in-Gaurhoth Orodreth died at Nargothrond Finwe died at Formenos Angband is the only one where an elf-king did not die? Last edited by symestreem; 03-28-2004 at 09:46 AM. Reason: Fingolfin died at Angband, didn't he. So much for that theory.

03-28-2004, 07:50 PM	#582
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Fingolfin and Fëanor did die before Angband... ...but not actually in/on it. OK...Formenos was the only one not in Middle-earth? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 03-28-2004 at 07:54 PM.

03-29-2004, 12:34 AM	#583
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Symestreem has the right reasoning, but the wrong OPO. I guess it's who gets here first now... __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-29-2004, 07:44 AM	#584
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Symestreem gets here first, but hasn't a clue what you're talking about. Gondolin is the only one where an elf-king is not slain?

03-29-2004, 05:07 PM	#585
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Formenos- You put it first in the list. It's gotta be it, cause that's just the way you are... Ok, and it doesn't fit the rest of the criteria Angband- Fell because of Earendil's (who was half Man) plea to the Valar for help Gondolin- Many of its people were saved from its sack by Tuor Nargothrond- Was destroyed easily because of Turin's decision to build a bridge Tol-in-Gaurhoth- Was destroyed for the sake of Beren's escape Formenos was the only one whose downfall did not concern or involve a Man. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-29-2004, 09:45 PM	#586
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	I got it! Tol-in-Gaurhoth is the only place where a High-King of the Noldor didn't die...albeit my father did. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-30-2004, 06:30 AM	#587
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Nil is very close now. And Lindo, how do you know I'm like that? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-30-2004, 08:30 AM	#588
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Attack of the bold type!!!! Well, neither Finrod Felagund nor Orodreth were High Kings of Noldor, being the sons of Finarfin... OK. First, Finwe dies at Formenos, leaving Fingolfin as High King of the Noldor and the oldest of the "accepted" (non-Feanorian/not banished) line. Then, Fingolfin dies at Angband, leaving Fingon as High King of the Noldor and the oldest. Fingon dies in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, leaving Turgon as the eldest in the eldest line. If he was never proclaimed High King, he had the right. Then Turgon dies at Gondolin, leaving... um... I guess Finrod Felagund would be next. He dies at Tol-in-Gaurhoth (sorry, Nil), leaving Orodreth as the eldest who could claim that title. He dies at Nargothrond. I don't know if this matters, but on your list Nargothrond is the only one that does not fit the above... um... reasoning. The event that occurs there is out of order chronologically... Finrod dies in Tol-in-Gaurhoth before Orodreth dies in Nargothrond. On the list it's out of order. So that would make Nargothrond the OPO because it's the only place where an elf-king didn't die there within that time frame. Ie, noone died there between Turgon's death and Finrod's death. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Last edited by symestreem; 03-30-2004 at 08:35 AM.

03-30-2004, 03:15 PM	#589
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Eh...I think so. You get it, the answer was as simple as that no elfking died in Nargothrond - Orodreth died at the field of Tumladen. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-31-2004, 09:18 PM	#590
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	My father can't be High King of Noldor in Middle-earth, because the eldest line was the House of Fingolfin. After Turgon Ereinion Gil-galad was the next king. Just a tidbit there. Carry on. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

04-01-2004, 01:09 PM	#591
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Boy, do I feel stupid now I stand corrected, Nilpaurion. I need a few days to come up with something hopefully easier than my last one... I'll be back then.

04-05-2004, 06:04 PM	#592
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Here's the next set. I'm telling you now that it has nothing to do with death. Think happy thoughts!! Rivendell Beorn's house Minas Tirith the 2nd Vinyamar Ivrin

04-11-2004, 09:08 PM	#593
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Ivrin, the only place where someone didn't live? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-12-2004, 12:34 AM	#594
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Beorn's house - the only one not near a river? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

04-14-2004, 02:11 PM	#595
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Nyet.