T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

++lynch Fea

to give an alternative.

I can't pretend I have concrete evidence against her, but that doesn't mean I don't suspect her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think it would be a good idea to open up another option:

++Lynch Loslote.

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.

[Nienna]

Yeah that's a really strange comment to make. It sounds like Lommy doesn't care who gets lynched she just wants to 'open up more options.' That is not a good reason to vote for someone.

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm probably not going to get on again until pretty close to deadline, so good luck, all!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

Funny you should suggest that, as I'm very certain the group actually contains a wolf, an ordo, and a gifted. Guess which is which and you get a cookie.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I call for a Vote of No Confidence in Lommy. This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch. I don't care if Lommy is an innocent or not. She should not get control over the lynch.

Seconded. And to make it official, Lommie=Fired.



I'd like to be captain, for what it's worth. (I'd like to not die toNight, basically, but I also think I have a pretty good grasp on things and would love to help the village, being innocent and all.) Nog, what do we get guard-wise, my lovely?

[Nienna]

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nienna

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

I see. Exactly how sure are you, my dear? As sure as you are of my role, or do you just think she is?

*really loves this code crap*

[satansaloser2005]

Also


Innocent:
Sally
Nienna

Not Sure:
Kath
Lottie (per Nienna)

Guilty?:
Lommie
Gwath
Nerwen


Oooo look, there's three of them in the guilty section. How convenient!

[Nienna]

As sure as I am of you, my dear.

[Gwathagor]

I'm sorry wasn't around last Night, Lommy. I forgot all about my bodyguard responsibilities and ended up going to a party instead, which is fairly embarrassing.

Well, friends, its all on the line today. No time for "alternate lynching options" like yesterDay (whatever that was about). Either we get it right, or we don't. And lets be darn careful who we elect Captain, since we're stuck with having one.

ALso, we need to do an assumption purge toDay. A lot of players, myself included, have not been seriously examined for the entire game or have been just assumed innocent for no apparent reason. Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nienna

As sure as I am of you, my dear.

I....I see? How can you be as sure as you are of me? For you see, you may think she is innocent, but I do not think that word means what you think it means.

EDIT: x'd with GwathaGory-Nog-killer

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Funny you should suggest that, as I'm very certain the group actually contains a wolf, an ordo, and a gifted. Guess which is which and you get a cookie.

Isn't always that way? It's never the nice neat package we'd like, it's always a mixed bag. That is to say, I agree.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I....I see? How can you be as sure as you are of me? For you see, you may think she is innocent, but I do not think that word means what you think it means.

She has the same r0l3 as *you*.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nienna

She has the same r0l3 as *you*.

I see. Good to know then.


My wolf pack is set to thus, mostly by process of elimination.

Lommie/Kath
Gwath
Nerwen


I'm going to have a look at them quick and see what there is to see.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nienna

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.

SOrry for rattling on.

[Nienna]

No Gwath that is fine. You don't have to trust us, but I do. I understand the risks in being convinced as I have been by Lottie but am willing to take that risk. You may commence analyzing everyone as I have tons and tons of homework to do. I suggest starting with Lommy as she is clearly a wolf.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Yeah that's a really strange comment to make. It sounds like Lommy doesn't care who gets lynched she just wants to 'open up more options.' That is not a good reason to vote for someone.

As a wolf, when you know that an innocent is getting lynched, you tend to just step back and try to avoid getting your hands dirty.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nienna

No Gwath that is fine. You don't have to trust us, but I do. I understand the risks in being convinced as I have been by Lottie but am willing to take that risk. You may commence analyzing everyone as I have tons and tons of homework to do. I suggest starting with Lommy as she is clearly a wolf.

It's also true that there comes a certain point when you have no choice but to gamble and trust one or two people. That point may have come for you, but not for me.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

I think I know what you mean.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

I see what you did there.

[satansaloser2005]

Tomorrow's deadline day at the paper, so I don't think I'll be around all that much. I'm pretty sure of Lommie's guilt, based on a brief readthrough and such, but I am going to wait to vote just because if the village decides to go for someone else I don't want to help the wolves do a vote split. But we do need to pick a new captain. My choices are as follows:

Me
Nienna
Kath
Gwath/Lottie
Nerwen
Anyone else but Lommie


Going to do a few things for work now so I don't have to scramble tomorrow. Back soon!

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

...And sorry for not being around. My internet access is patchy at the moment.

I will tell say now that I don't have much more of an idea about Lommy now than yesterDay, mainly because we weren't able to be online at the same time.

EDIT:And Gwath didn't show at all.

[Nerwen]

I don't want to be captain, by the way. I just can't guarantee being online at the right times.

Anyway, it doesn't matter unless we get a wolf toDay.

[Nerwen]

And the internet keeps cutting out me, so I'd better vote now.

[Nerwen]

So I have to go, and probably won't be able to get online again toDay.

++Kath for Captain
*shrug* she seems okay...

++Guard Nienna
I'm no longer as sure about her, but I still trust her more than Lommy

++Lynch Lommy
Because she seemed vaguely shifty last Night and has done some questionable things. Like I said, though, I couldn't get much of a read on her at all.

That's the best I can do.

Good luck.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Tomorrow's deadline day at the paper, so I don't think I'll be around all that much. I'm pretty sure of Lommie's guilt, based on a brief readthrough and such, but I am going to wait to vote just because if the village decides to go for someone else I don't want to help the wolves do a vote split. But we do need to pick a new captain. My choices are as follows:

Me
Nienna
Kath
Gwath/Lottie
Nerwen
Anyone else but Lommie


Going to do a few things for work now so I don't have to scramble tomorrow. Back soon!

I like how Lottie and I only got one line. Apparently we're the same person.

I'll hopefully be back in about 12 hours and then maybe I can get some analysis done. Right now it's time to sleep.

[satansaloser2005]

Ranger:
No more talk of Night kills,
Ignore these baddies, dear.
I'm here to tell you I rhyme
And we won't lose another time

Let me be your savior,
Let my knife save your ears
I'm here with a large shotgun
To make the wolfies all gone

Innocents:
Say you'll save me when I'm being voted,
Turn my head with talk of lupine lynch
Say you'll work to save our helpless ordos
Promise me that you're not friends with Rune
That's all I ask of you

Ranger:
Let me be your captain,
My votes will be your guide
You're safe with me to guard you
The wolves will run to high school

Innocents:
All I want is victory
A world with no more wolves
And you still to play me
To make them not fillet me

Ranger:
Then say you'll vote with me to end the baddies
Let me lead you all into a win
Say you need me to decide who survives
Anything you do, let me help too
Village, that's all I ask of you

Innocents:
Say you'll share with me one lynch, one bandwagon
Find a wolf and we will slaughter them

Ranger and Innocents:
Share each hunch with me
Each hint
Each niggling

Ranger:
Say you trust me

Innocents:
You know I do

Wolves:
Don't lynch us
That's all we ask of you


As the Innocents and the Ranger walk away arm in arm(s) the audience's attention is suddenly drawn to Steve, who is sitting alone in the cold. He is clutching his laptop, which has the Admin Thread pulled up, and is clearly upset, composing a PM to Nogrod in another (Internet Explorer, Firefox, web browser of your choice) tab.


Steve:
I gave you my Night Guards
Made your game take wing
And now how you've repaid me
I'm not even playing!
He was bound to like it when he saw my game

Noggins...
Noggins...


The light fades on Steve and we again see the Ranger and the Innocent Chorus, staring hopefully at a vote count tacked to a large post.


Ranger and Innocents:
Say you'll share with me a lynch, a victory
Say the word and I will vote with you
Share decisions and the wolves we'll conquer


The scene fades to black, but suddenly a deep voice rumbles through the thread


Sudden!Unexpected!Phantom:
You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you!

[Thinlómien]

Ai ai ai if you silly people lynch me, we lose... Nerwen's vote looks rather oppoturnistic, and that's why I don't like it. If the wolves are Nerwen, Kath and Gwath I'm really going to bang my head against the wall. And if they're Sally, Nienna and Loslote, I'd like to do that too because they are so clearly allied it hurts. But I really hope I was wrong about Nerwen, because unless we keep me in office (which does not seem to be an option) we're doomed with one single innocent voting another and that's it. (So yeah, if we lose now and Nerwen is innocent, I blame her. ) On the other hand, Nerwen has disastrously misjudged me as an innocent before so... but that vote was most wolvish to me.

I will hang around for a while now and come back then several hours later, and then I should have time to go through everybody's posts. As for now, I'm only confused because my initial suspicion was Nienna + Sally + Lottie and you can't deny they are allied, but Nerwen's vote looks so bad that she might really be a wolf, which means all of the three I mentioned before wouldn't be wolves. Gah. I just have a bad feeling we're going to lose this game. (If it turns out we should've killed Kath on Day1 I will be annoyed but pleased with myself.)

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.

And also, I have to add, wolves could easily decide to have these chats with each other and then tell the village "oh I had a special talk with x and she looks really innocent", thus exonerating their mates.

Originally Posted by Lossie

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.

And how many had the same flimsy reasons to vote innocent Roa yesterDay? Can't really accuse us for voting innocents when you did it too. At least we didn't cause the death of two innocents. Seriously though, I was suspicious of Fea and very unsure about Roa, so I thought I'd like to see what would happen if Fea-lynch was offered as an alternative. Besides, I did not want to take part in killing Roa whom I didn't think as guilty as everyone else did and I hate it when all the village votes the same person because it is virtually impossible to deduce anything from that.

Who do you think would've killed Fea? I'm sorry, but I'd point my finger at Nienna, who would possibly want to get rid of her friend before the last Days so that no one can realise what she's really up to.

But anyway, people, let's not make the same mistakes toDay as we did with Roa. Basically that means:
1) Let's check our lynch candidates' ties with Rune earlier than 15 minutes before the DL when most of people have already voted.
2) Let's not lynch somebody more or less everybody is willing to lynch because they are most probably innocent.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Ai ai ai if you silly people lynch me, we lose...

Who's 'we' darling? The wolves?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Nerwen's vote looks rather oppoturnistic, and that's why I don't like it.

I think it looks an awfully lot like throwing a packmate under the bus.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?

Lets not have a tie. Sally is a clear choice for captain.

The wolves are: Lommy, Nerwen, and either Kath or Gwath. I need to hear more from both of them to decide.

We will also need a NG.

[satansaloser2005]

Well here's my ideal situation. Sally for Captain and Nienna for NG. Either way's fine, really, but she's the person I trust the most so I want to keep her alive.


Gonna be a busy day today, I'm afraid, but I will be around the last hour or so of the Day.

[Thinlómien]

I really really don't like the game Sally and Nienna are playing now. Sort of reckless, self-confident and arrogant, just like wolves on the eve of their victory. If they're innocent, I'm slightly offended - I don't like the way I've been straightforwardly labelled wolf and my points ignored after that. I'm not a wolf. Really not. If you don't believe me now, don't, but I hope you realise how stupid you've been after the game - unless you, Sally, Nienna and Nerwen, are the wolves, in which case, it is understandable but still annoying.

Yes, I'm annoyed. You can ask why. Probably because no one trusts me and keep ignoring stuff I say, and because you are going to kill us all by killing me out of sheer arrogance without even bothering to make a single actual point against me. My trouble with people in this village is that when it's the last Day and we should really consider carefully, half of the people are eager to jump to conclusions without doing any research or bothering to make any cases.

Gwath is the only one who seems not to be decided already, and that's why he looks the most innocent to me. Also, I don't think a wolf would say this:

Originally Posted by Gwath

I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.

As for others, no idea. I used to trust Nerwen but not anymore. Is Loslote guilty or misguided? Is Nienna blinded by her grand "visions" or a wolf pressing for an easy victory? Is Sally really an innocent who feels comfortable about getting a wolf or a wolf taking it easy at the face of almost certain victory? And did Nerwen make an innocent misjudgement on me again or is she just jumping on the obvious wagon-to-be? And where is Kath and what is she?

This game gives me headache. And no, I'm not begging for sympathy or pity, I'm just being grumpy. I have been innocent and seen the village lose in the last half a dozen games and this game is going to be one more failure in the row. It is sort of depressing (as is probably getting lynched as an ordo on the last Day with whatsoever no "evidence" against me, but that's a side issue, that is bound to happen to someone when almost half of the village are wolves).

Originally Posted by Nienna

Who's 'we' darling? The wolves?

Certainly. And sure, aren't it the wolves who are going to lose this game if they lose one of them toDay?

Originally Posted by Nienna

I think it looks an awfully lot like throwing a packmate under the bus.

The smartest thing to do when you're under severe suspicion and the pack is one innocent lynch short of victory. Grasping at straws, are you, Nienna dear?

Originally Posted by Nienna

Sally is a clear choice for captain.

Why?

Now, I'm off to do what everyone should do once they have time. That is, research. (But why would wolves do that anymore since they already know who they want to die and who not... )

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?

The answer is:

Originally Posted by me in #398

So, if the Captaincy-vote ends up in draw not including the current Captain as part of the draw (he would continue as the C. if he were one involved in the draw as said earlier)...

Then it will be up to the old Captain to choose. That's a lot better than if I'd toss a coin for it, or make a boring "who got them first / last" -thing.

Secondly:

Originally Posted by Sally

Nog, what do we get guard-wise, my lovely?

Well the rules say that when you are 6 or less there will be no guards anymore... but you are still 7 now, so I'd interpret it in the way that you should pick the guards still toDay - and if there is a toMorrow, then not anymore (you'd be 5-6 by then and the case would be clear).

I mean one could argue that as there will be only 6 left during the Night there shouldn't be any guards picked toDay anymore. But I do think there will be more nice options available to both sides if there are guards yet this Night. And first and foremost, as said, you're still 7.

If anyone has strong arguments against this ruling please PM me about it and I will promise to consider it (let's not discuss it here in the thread).

Meanwhile you should consider whom to appoint as an NG and vote for one.

And anyway. If you lynch an innocent toDay the question will be purely speculative...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway. If you lynch an innocent toDay the question will be purely speculative...

When we lynch an innocent toDay, you mean...

Anyway thanks for the clarifications.

[Thinlómien]

I'm reading through everybody's posts and those of Rune's. I'm posting stuff that has caught my attention. Conclusions will come last.

Day1
- Sally and Loslote didn't want to be Captains
- Sally said Rune or Loslote wouldn't get her Captain vote
- Sally said: "Also, I think it's weird when people leave codes just because they can. If you've got something to say, fine, but if you're just trying to be tricksy save it." and toDay she's been among the code-whatever mess-makers
- Sally hoped Kath would post
- Rune explained Kath's absence to Sally
- Nerwen picked on Legate about picking on Nienna
- Kath and Rune joked together
- Nerwen guard-voted Kath
- Rune jokes he doesn't like Nerwen anymore
- Loslote voted Rune for Cap
- Nienna was bothered by Rune's votes
- Nienna asked if Rune was around aftercounting the votes
- Loslote thought Rune slightly suspicious but not wolvish
- Nienna seemed to be pondering whether it makes sense to vote Rune for Captain or not
- Sally gave Rune the second lynch vote
- Nienna gave the third lynch vote to Rune
- Loslote was suspicious of Nienna and voted her
- Kath defended Lottie

Related stuff
* I have to rethink of Sally and Nienna in the light of their Rune-votes (it is unlikely they're both wolves at least!)
* various banter and comments are probably unrelated to stuff

Unrelated stuff
* I see I'm still the only one who has bothered/ had time/ been interested to speculate anything about Fea's death
* I really hope to hear more from Kath and Gwath
* I'm expecting to see retractables toDay and I'm not sure if it's a comforting or a terrifying thought

[Thinlómien]

Day2
- Loslote started wavering and had nothing to say on anyone else now living but her and me
- Sally gloats about being right about Rune
- Nerwen was all for finding wolves in Rune supporters
- Sally and Nienna would have been wary of killing a possible hunter Mac, Kath wouldn't and Gwath (in his neutral books, as was I) or Loslote or Nerwen (the two of them not mentioned) possibly wouldn't either - all this if Nerwen's summary is to be trusted, what I think it is (a wolf would know twisting the truth is dangerous)
- Nienna analysed Nerwen and decided she's innocent
- I don't know if a wolf Nienna would've insisted keeping an innocent Legate in office even if he trusted her
- Nienna thought Nerwen innocent, was unsure about Kath, Gwath and Sally and suspected Lottie (and forgot me from the list)
- Sally voted Kath for NG
- Nerwen was thinking of lynching Loslote or Valier
- Nienna voted Nerwen for NG and picked Valier over Los for lynch
- Sally trusted Nienna and voted her for Cap
- Nerwen voted Sally for guard and Nienna for captain
- Nerwen thought Gwath is to be modfired
- Nerwen voted Loslote
- Sally considered voting Lottie and mixed up Greenie and Gwath
- Nerwen said we should start thinking of lynching Gwath if there's no modfire
- Sally voted Lottie
- Sally asked for Nienna to talk with her overNight
- Nerwen jumped on Legate's point against Gwath

Related stuff
* I think I may have to do a 180 degree turn and consider Sally and Nienna at least innocent - I had forgotten the Rune-voting and Mac's suspicions
* let's lynch Nerwen
* to be honest, I'm confused and have no idea bout stuff (yet)

Unrelated stuff
* I wish I wasn't the only one around
* I wish someone made a case against me or asked me questions if they suspect me

[Nienna]

Lommy I am truly sorry if you are at all offended. Even if you are a wolf I don't want anyone to be offended. It is not fun .

I've been on the fence about you the entire game. If asked, yesterday, who the wolves were I probably would have said Roa, Fea, and Nerwen/Gwath. I obviously was very wrong. I am not infallible but I do put my trust into Sally and Lottie. If you are an innocent I beg you to do the same. To me it is clear that there are three wolves in a list of four people.

We have all made mistakes. There wasn't even a person put up for lynch yesterDay that was a wolf.

My points against you today:
1. You tried to keep yourself as captain. You said yesterday that you did not want anyone to have that much power but as soon as it was an option for yourself you wanted to keep it. Today is the one day where it can be fatal to have one person be able to make that decision. You even said yourself that you aren't sure if you could make the correct decision while being captain.
2. You continually suspected the people that I'm sure aren't wolves. It is really important right now to have the innocents band together so that is what we are doing. I'm sorry if it feels arrogant or if it makes people feel left out but it is what we need to do to survive. If we were wolves we would not openly all band together like this as it would make people who know they are innocent know that we are all wolves.
3. You've completely ignored Sally's Parody

Some responses:

Originally Posted by Lommy

wolves could easily decide to have these chats with each other and then tell the village "oh I had a special talk with x and she looks really innocent", thus exonerating their mates.

I do understand this but what I did was explain to Sally who I know trusts me that I also trust Lottie and she should as well. I can not ask the other innocent to trust our knowledge but I wanted to make sure the people I all trust are on the same page. If Sally, Lottie, and I were all wolves I would not have had to tell Sally anything.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Who do you think would've killed Fea? I'm sorry, but I'd point my finger at Nienna, who would possibly want to get rid of her friend before the last Days so that no one can realise what she's really up to.

Not cool. We've discussed suspicion based on Meta-game before and it really should be used cautiously. If I was a wolf I probably would have left Fea alive because she was clearly (in my mind at least) the top lynch suspect for toDay. It would have been an easy wolf win.

Originally Posted by Lommy

1) Let's check our lynch candidates' ties with Rune earlier than 15 minutes before the DL when most of people have already voted.

I'm not sure why you are stopping at 15 mins before DL...

Originally Posted by Lommy

The smartest thing to do when you're under severe suspicion and the pack is one innocent lynch short of victory. Grasping at straws, are you, Nienna dear?

The pack would be smart to not make themselves obvious by all voting for an innocent. If 3 innocents voted one person and 3 wolves voted another then the innocent who is left would have to choose and if they choose with the innocents then all the wolves are known and it is just a matter of time before the village wins. If the wolves all vote for a packmate then the next Day the village is still confused.

Originally Posted by Lommy

* I really hope to hear more from Kath and Gwath
* I'm expecting to see retractables toDay and I'm not sure if it's a comforting or a terrifying thought

I agree that I need more from Kath and Gwath and I think retractables are dangerous now and I'll probably use mine and then lock in my vote.

I'm sadly not going to be around at DL as I have to be in class but I hope to be able to form a clearer picture of what is going on before that.

Edit: x-ed

[Thinlómien]

Day3
- Nienna was rather aggressive towards Roa
- Lottie: suspicions of Nienna vanished (past behaviour probably a fluke), Kath and Sally innocent, unsure about Nerwen (who slips under the radar) and Gwath (and me, for the record)
- Nienna asked Lottie to give reasons for her list
- Brinn the Night Kill suspected Nerwen
- Sally gained Nienna's trust overNight and Kath almost did as well
- Nerwen asked Gwath who
- Sally considered Nienna and Nerwen innocent, the rest suspicious, and all of this with no stated reasons
- Nerwen voted Nienna for Cap and Gwath for NG
- Kath was rather non-committal
- Nienna: Sally: What think you about Kath?
- Sally votes Kath for Cap and Nienna for guard
- Gwath voted Loslote for NG (and me for Cap)
- Nienna questioned Gwath of his trust in me and he replied
- Lottie voted Gwath for NG (and me for cap)
- Nienna voted Nerwen for NG (and me for cap)

Related stuff
* people Nienna talk with overNight tend to end up innocents in her books
* the wolves weren't necessarily afraid of the hunters anymore after the death of the two first ones
* it might've made sense for the wolves to vote their fellows as NGs and Caps in order to avoid the tricky questions of how come some people are still alive
* remaining wolves = Nerwen, Kath + Loslote?

Unrelated stuff
* I should be studying Art History


edit: xed with Nienna

[Thinlómien]

Thanks for making that post, Nienna. It made me feel better about you.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Lommy I am truly sorry if you are at all offended. Even if you are a wolf I don't want anyone to be offended. It is not fun.

Nah, never mind, I'm just old and grumpy, not offended.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I obviously was very wrong. I am not infallible but I do put my trust into Sally and Lottie. If you are an innocent I beg you to do the same. To me it is clear that there are three wolves in a list of four people.

I can see you trust them, but I can see nothing but very vague reasons for that, which kind of alarms me. And I cannot trust them merely because you ask me to (especially as I'm far from sure of your innocence).

Originally Posted by Nienna

1. You tried to keep yourself as captain. You said yesterday that you did not want anyone to have that much power but as soon as it was an option for yourself you wanted to keep it. Today is the one day where it can be fatal to have one person be able to make that decision. You even said yourself that you aren't sure if you could make the correct decision while being captain.

I know. Power corrupts. No, but seriously, toDay is also the one Day when it's fatal to have a wolf in the post. That's why I would prefer being the Captain (but let's not argue about that as I seem to be the only one who wants that, understandably). But - do you think that as a wolf I would've dared to eat my word and abandon the ideals I had been promoting all game especially as there was whatsoever no support for my continued captaincy in sight?

Originally Posted by Nienna

I'm sorry if it feels arrogant or if it makes people feel left out but it is what we need to do to survive. If we were wolves we would not openly all band together like this as it would make people who know they are innocent know that we are all wolves.

It would only be easier for the remaining innocent(s) if you bothered to tell why you trust each other. And I think it would be sort of ingenious of wolves to band together like that precisely because no one would think they'd be so obvious.

Originally Posted by Nienna

3. You've completely ignored Sally's Parody

And she ignored the rules because she wrote it as if there was only one ranger.

Originally Posted by Nienna

If Sally, Lottie, and I were all wolves I would not have had to tell Sally anything.

A fair point. But you could still be doing it for a show.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Not cool. We've discussed suspicion based on Meta-game before and it really should be used cautiously.

I don't think that's meta-game, but if you think so, we can leave it to that.

Originally Posted by Nienna

If I was a wolf I probably would have left Fea alive because she was clearly (in my mind at least) the top lynch suspect for toDay. It would have been an easy wolf win.

And so would probably every sensible person, or at least they can claim so easily. The question is why this happened after all.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I'm not sure why you are stopping at 15 mins before DL...

If you mean why did I pick that number it's because I did that then yesterDay because I needed to know.

Originally Posted by Nienna

The pack would be smart to not make themselves obvious by all voting for an innocent. If 3 innocents voted one person and 3 wolves voted another then the innocent who is left would have to choose and if they choose with the innocents then all the wolves are known and it is just a matter of time before the village wins. If the wolves all vote for a packmate then the next Day the village is still confused.

It may be obvious to vote the same innocent, but not "an innocent" in general. If they're voting their mates, it is a huge risk.

Off to finish my analysis...

[Thinlómien]

Day4 (toDay)
- is not worth of doing like this but:

Related stuff
* Either some people are good at bluffing, or then my misreading of the rules has contributed to my suspicion of them *head explodes*

Unrelated stuff
*

Originally Posted by Lottie

Why? You [me] just said he [Gwath] didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?

It had nothing to do with him not showing up, it was only about his general approach to stuff. But obviously, currently I'm to confused to say this or that.

[Nienna]

Why I trust Sally and Lottie:

I've been able to communicate with both of them at Night. At Night we are allowed to talk about ... things... which we are not allowed to openly discuss on the thread. I talked with Sally and Kath about these... things... one night. Then I was able to talk to Lottie about the same things last Night. Sally I can say without a shadow of a doubt is not a wolf. Lottie is also not a wolf but I'm only 99.9% sure... if she is a wolf, though, she is a fabulous one and deserves the win.

Does this help clarify?