Cryptic Clues - Page 15 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Turambar · 01-26-2005, 07:37 PM

Bombadil? Adventures? Paine? Terrific? English Muffins?

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-27-2005, 03:27 AM

Although you have the right Tom.

the phantom · 01-27-2005, 11:39 AM

Quote:

You need to work out what Tom's accumulation might be

What does Tom accumulate?

I dunno. Hobbits, maybe?

It does say the accumulation was small, after all.

And if that were so, his collection of hobbits would include each flower. Umm... "ea" for each-> eaflower, rearranged-> leaf ower. Did one of the hobbits owe somebody pipe-weed?

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-01-2005, 06:44 PM

Nope. Nothing to do with Hobbitses.

There is a clear reference in the Book to Tom accumulating something other than lilies ...

Turambar · 02-02-2005, 12:09 PM

Mallos, I think:

Tom was a moss-gatherer, as Gandalf tells us. His small accumulation is therefore MOS; if it includes ALL ("each"), we get the bell-shaped flower of Lebennin.

Excellent clues!

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-02-2005, 12:21 PM

Well done Turambar.

I yield the thread to you.

Turambar · 02-02-2005, 07:32 PM

Through the great battle on we fought,
And he who led us, later us taught.

Gil-Galad · 02-03-2005, 05:53 PM

i keep thinking its a man... Elendil maybe?

Turambar · 02-04-2005, 11:03 AM

Not Elendil, and not a man.

This one is both cryptic and "straight".

Gil-Galad · 02-04-2005, 05:18 PM

me thinks Finrod Felagund now...

Turambar · 02-04-2005, 06:32 PM

No.

FYI, there is a good description of "cryptic" clues here .

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-05-2005, 02:21 PM

Eonwë

It's right there in the clue:

Quote:

Through the great battle on we fought

And, of course, Eonwë was a teacher as well as the leader in that battle.

Turambar · 02-07-2005, 08:58 AM

Squatter is correct - Eönwë was the embedded captain/teacher.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-07-2005, 05:23 PM

Ta muchly, old bean. Here's an easy one to ease me back in.

Steward of Gondolin? Could be a wet

Turambar · 02-10-2005, 11:23 AM

Ecthelion?

The name was used by a Ruling Steward of Gondor as well as by an elf of Gondolin; the latter was associated with a fountain ("wet").

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-15-2005, 02:04 PM

No need to be so tentative, old boy; I'm not that devious. Your turn.

Turambar · 02-16-2005, 07:52 AM

A banner flying backwards, showing a muddled connector, denotes a wizard.

Gil-Galad · 02-16-2005, 08:09 AM

hmmm....denotes a wizard seems like Denethor/Gandalf... but i'll say Gandalf

Turambar · 02-16-2005, 08:17 AM

Correct! "Flag" backwards, with a scrambled "and" in the middle. Your turn.

Gil-Galad · 02-16-2005, 07:59 PM

oh joy...

A hot-headed earth driven rascal, one style maybe, are you?

have fun...

Gil-Galad · 02-17-2005, 03:16 PM

its really not that hard...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-17-2005, 03:20 PM

before you start hinting. Sometimes we have to think about it a little first.

Believe you me, we're pondering.

Sophia

Gil-Galad · 02-17-2005, 03:21 PM

at least its good to know people are pondering....took me awhile to figure it out myself actually

Mithalwen · 02-18-2005, 12:50 PM

Well I am going up various garden paths and .... am distracted by "one style" almost being an anagram of Estelyn ... which is not helpful..... but I am still feeling there might be an anagram in there somewhere ...

Gil-Galad · 02-18-2005, 01:51 PM

maybe...maybe not...who knows..wait i do...

keep guessing by the way

Gil-Galad · 02-21-2005, 07:37 PM

Hint: there is no anagrams

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-21-2005, 10:51 PM

Fingon?

Why? How?

I have no idea.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-22-2005, 02:49 AM

I'm tempted to go with Feanor. I can't make any sense of the clue cryptically, but as far as straight clues go, Feanor was certainly hot-headed. And earth driven too, if you think about his love for things mined and then crafted.

The one style clue makes me think of the Tengwar, which were developed by him, and were written in several styles (the Quenya style which used no vowel letters, just tehtar; and the Sindarin sound which incorporated letters for vowels).

Gil-Galad · 02-22-2005, 08:12 AM

Sophia is very close indeed....explore Around Feanor

Celebriel Esgaledhel · 02-22-2005, 04:21 PM

My first guess would have been Feanor....but as Gil said "around Feanor", I'm thinking perhaps

Melkor,

Who could be described as hot-headed, and as earth-driven, he sought to dominate the world...

Gil-Galad · 02-22-2005, 08:52 PM

close again, but no

Turambar · 02-23-2005, 05:14 AM

Eru?

Gil-Galad · 02-23-2005, 06:44 AM

nope...now your getting colder...

Turambar · 02-23-2005, 07:14 AM

Maybe a hint is needed.

Are the clues cryptic within The Saucepan Man's definition?

Gil-Galad · 02-23-2005, 07:16 AM

not entirely... like i said, its around Feanor...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-24-2005, 01:43 AM

Maedhros?

"Hot-headed" may be seen as red-headed.

"Earth-driven." Try Earth-diving.

Mithalwen · 02-24-2005, 12:52 PM

I wondered about hot headed meaning redhaired .. or if it were Arien ..... (but then Earth driven would make no sense) and the last parts aieeeeee..........

Gil-Galad · 02-24-2005, 08:07 PM

Nil is correct, it was Maedhros

A Hot-headed Earth Driven Rascal, One Style Maybe, are you?

basically i used it in Pig Latin...that explains the a and the y

the one style means that he was the only son to try and go for peace, his style of doing things was much different then each other son...your turn nil

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-26-2005, 10:15 PM

A well rare jewel begins in every name.

Mithalwen · 02-27-2005, 02:57 PM

Faramir?

01-26-2005, 07:37 PM	#561
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Tom . . . Bombadil? Adventures? Paine? Terrific? English Muffins? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

01-27-2005, 03:27 AM	#562
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Getting colder ... Although you have the right Tom. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-01-2005, 06:44 PM	#564
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Any more takers ... Nope. Nothing to do with Hobbitses. There is a clear reference in the Book to Tom accumulating something other than lilies ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-02-2005, 12:09 PM	#565
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Mallos, I think: Tom was a moss-gatherer, as Gandalf tells us. His small accumulation is therefore MOS; if it includes ALL ("each"), we get the bell-shaped flower of Lebennin. Excellent clues! __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-02-2005, 12:21 PM	#566
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	And excellent deduction Well done Turambar. I yield the thread to you. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-02-2005, 07:32 PM	#567
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The Next One Through the great battle on we fought, And he who led us, later us taught. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-03-2005, 05:53 PM	#568
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i keep thinking its a man... Elendil maybe? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-04-2005, 11:03 AM	#569
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Not Elendil, and not a man. This one is both cryptic and "straight". __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly. Last edited by Turambar; 02-04-2005 at 11:06 AM.

02-04-2005, 05:18 PM	#570
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	me thinks Finrod Felagund now... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-04-2005, 06:32 PM	#571
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	No. FYI, there is a good description of "cryptic" clues here . __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-07-2005, 08:58 AM	#573
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Squatter is correct - Eönwë was the embedded captain/teacher. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-07-2005, 05:23 PM	#574
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Heeding Polonius... Ta muchly, old bean. Here's an easy one to ease me back in. Steward of Gondolin? Could be a wet __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 02-07-2005 at 05:29 PM.

02-10-2005, 11:23 AM	#575
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Ecthelion? The name was used by a Ruling Steward of Gondor as well as by an elf of Gondolin; the latter was associated with a fountain ("wet"). __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly. Last edited by Turambar; 02-10-2005 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Thought of an actual guess

02-15-2005, 02:04 PM	#576
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	The very fellow No need to be so tentative, old boy; I'm not that devious. Your turn. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 02-15-2005 at 02:05 PM. Reason: Must remember that sentences don't end with commas

02-16-2005, 07:52 AM	#577
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Next One A banner flying backwards, showing a muddled connector, denotes a wizard. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-16-2005, 08:09 AM	#578
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	hmmm....denotes a wizard seems like Denethor/Gandalf... but i'll say Gandalf __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-16-2005, 08:17 AM	#579
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Correct! "Flag" backwards, with a scrambled "and" in the middle. Your turn. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-16-2005, 07:59 PM	#580
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	oh joy... A hot-headed earth driven rascal, one style maybe, are you? have fun... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-17-2005, 03:16 PM	#581
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	its really not that hard... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-17-2005, 03:20 PM	#582
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Give us a chance before you start hinting. Sometimes we have to think about it a little first. Believe you me, we're pondering. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-17-2005, 03:21 PM	#583
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	at least its good to know people are pondering....took me awhile to figure it out myself actually __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-18-2005, 12:50 PM	#584
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well I am going up various garden paths and .... am distracted by "one style" almost being an anagram of Estelyn ... which is not helpful..... but I am still feeling there might be an anagram in there somewhere ... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-18-2005, 01:51 PM	#585
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	maybe...maybe not...who knows..wait i do... keep guessing by the way __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-21-2005, 07:37 PM	#586
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Hint: there is no anagrams __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-21-2005, 10:51 PM	#587
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Throwing WAGs. Fingon? Why? How? I have no idea. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-22-2005, 02:49 AM	#588
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	out on a proverbial limb I'm tempted to go with Feanor. I can't make any sense of the clue cryptically, but as far as straight clues go, Feanor was certainly hot-headed. And earth driven too, if you think about his love for things mined and then crafted. The one style clue makes me think of the Tengwar, which were developed by him, and were written in several styles (the Quenya style which used no vowel letters, just tehtar; and the Sindarin sound which incorporated letters for vowels). __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-22-2005, 08:12 AM	#589
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Sophia is very close indeed....explore Around Feanor __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-22-2005, 04:21 PM	#590
Celebriel Esgaledhel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Almaren Posts: 94	My first guess would have been Feanor....but as Gil said "around Feanor", I'm thinking perhaps Melkor, Who could be described as hot-headed, and as earth-driven, he sought to dominate the world... __________________ Virtus, non copia vincint

02-22-2005, 08:52 PM	#591
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	close again, but no __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-23-2005, 05:14 AM	#592
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Eru? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-23-2005, 06:44 AM	#593
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	nope...now your getting colder... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-23-2005, 07:14 AM	#594
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Maybe a hint is needed. Are the clues cryptic within The Saucepan Man's definition? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-23-2005, 07:16 AM	#595
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	not entirely... like i said, its around Feanor... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-24-2005, 01:43 AM	#596
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Around Fëanor? Maedhros? "Hot-headed" may be seen as red-headed. "Earth-driven." Try Earth-diving. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-24-2005, 12:52 PM	#597
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	I wondered about hot headed meaning redhaired .. or if it were Arien ..... (but then Earth driven would make no sense) and the last parts aieeeeee.......... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace