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Shadowed Prince
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Don't worry Eomer, I'll have the majority of the first post written out before Friday, which should just leave PMing. Perhaps the biggest worry is if we do decide the Seer should dream on NIGHT 1, but I'll cross that barrier if and when I get to it.
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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How many of these mason/ranger/fellowship/Mirdain people are we talking about? Would they have the same amount as the werewolves (3)?
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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Only two, there are. No more, no less. A master and an apprentice.
Or at least that was always my understanding. I suppose it could be played with varying numbers...
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Byronic Brand
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Know who the Mirdain were! Pah! Such condescension...of course I do, and that's why I was scrabbling for more "positive" nomenclature...
As soon as I have found someone to wield me, O Regal Dwarven Shade, you'll have a duel on your hands!
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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Just checking. Never can tell. People will say virtually anything...
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Shadowed Prince
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Some Time Changes
It's come to my attention that next Sunday is Father's Day. It's also the day of an exam for Celuien (I believe) and the date of an inescapable wedding for me. So:
Recruitment will carry on up until 6:00pm GMT (1:00pm EST, 12:00am Central) on Saturday 18th June. If we decide the Seer should dream on the first night, the Seer will then receive his/her role and should PM me before the start of the game concerning who s/he wants to dream about. If we decide the Seer shouldn't dream on the first night, s/he will received his/her role at the same time as everybody else at 4:00pm (11:00am EST, 10:00am Central) GMT on Monday 20th June. The first DAY should then start at 6:00pm GMT (1:00pm EST, 12:00am Central) on Monday 20th June. This should allow everybody to 1) participate in the game properly, 2) enjoy a nice Father's Day and 3) reacquaint themselves with all those quaint notions such as sleep and rest. ![]() |
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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Still can't play. I won't have regular internet access again until Tuesday.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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I don't know enough about Mirdain (or whatever but I like that name best) or letters and all the rest, but I will leap into the dark and say I'm the village butcher who loves to speak in doggerel. By the second day everybody'll want to lynch me for the doggerel instead of suspicion!
I like the Seer first night idea. No dead people commentary on the original thread, makes sense to me. I'm so new to this all that I don't think I could keep track of extras like special roles and letters and all that, so I'm going to vote "no" on all the other extras that have been mentioned. Sorry. ![]() |
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Although I can't play in the next game, I would like to participate in the future, so here are some thoughts on the ideas raised on rule changes etc.
I agree that, given the trend of our first three games, any rule changes should favour the Villagers. I am not sold on the Scribe idea, as he or she would be in no different position than any other normal Villager during the game, and so the death letter is just as likely to be wrong as it is right (if not more so), which might simply end up confusing the daytime discussions (which the innocent Villagers are perfectly capable of doing themselves, thank you ![]() I like the Mason idea, since having two Villagers who trust each other and can bounce ideas off each other will go some way towards mitigating the Villagers' lack of knowledge (and therefore the random accusations). I agree that these players should only be able to PM each other during the day, whereas the Werewolves should only PM each other at night. I still think that the Werewolves are powerful enough wothout letting them coordinate efforts during the day too. Does the name of the role have to be specifically Tolkien-orientated, given that the others are not? Something in keeping with the medaeval/folklore atmosphere of the game that suggests a connection between the two should suffice. Although all I can come up with at the moment is the "Twins". Or how about Tweedledum and Tweedledee? ![]() I am edgy about killing people off for non-participation. At most, players should only be summarily killed if they don't post at all during a day without good excuse, rather than forcing them to make a positive assertion or to vote. Otherwise, this compromises the "quiet" strategy that worked so well in the last game. And there might be perfectly good game-related reasons (for both innocents and Wolves) for not voting on a day. I agree that players should not post on this thread while playing the game, even to raise questions about the rules (which can be done by PM to the moderator). The reason that I posted a warning about this earlier in the thread was that I felt some posts were getting dangerously close to possibly influencing the game. I don't have a problem with people making a short post following their death (there is quite an urge to do so ![]() Finally, someone mentioned the possibility of starting a thread to set out all the rules. I suggest that this is best addressed by the moderator including all the applicable rules in the first post for a game. This is probably best done by cutting and pasting rather than by giving links (as I did), since earlier rules can be superseded in subsequent games (such as the tied voting rule).
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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Itinerant Songster
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Seems to me that if we're going to call the game "Tol-in-Gaurhoth", then we can call the two allies 'Elves', and they can do osanwe-kenta using PMs. After all, this is a Tolkien dedicated site, and the Legendarium is rife with names to pick from. .... that is, if there's a majority in favor of it.
I'd be interested to see if these characters seem "groupy" enough to get lynched by the innocent villagers, so maybe we don't want them to be Elves after all ... um ... unless we let whoever wants to be, be Elves? Maybe they could just be Dunedain? Rangers? Ah, heck, I dunno. Last edited by littlemanpoet; 06-14-2005 at 08:21 PM. |
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I think a goal for naming the masons/mirdain/whatchamacallits should be to have it as non-specific as possible. I mean honestly, do you think a character like mine is going to make a good elf or elf-friend. Just imagine the lynching... The Hangman pulled the leaver. Kuruharan's body dropped down with a snap. Suddenly, Kuruharan grew two feet, lost his beard, his ears got all pointy, and he got nauseatingly pretty!! "Oh-no!! We've killed our Elf...Dwarf...thing," wailed the villagers. That just doesn't sound good. ![]() ![]() (Mutter, mutter...dumb pointy-ears...who needs 'em anyway?) Maybe we should just call them "Lorekeepers" or something simple (and non-specific) like that.
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I want masons. Call them whatever you want.
I definitely want the seer to dream the first night. As far as my role in the next game.... hmm... maybe I'll be an arrogant healer.
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Maundering Mage
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I haven't heard from anyone else but I thought that the mason's wouldn't be named at death similar to the cursed villager. But just a thought.
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Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
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Can *wheeze* I *hack, cough* join?
Sorry. *deep breath* Had to run to get here. And what role will you play. Oh, as usual, when I play "Killers." The suspect. ![]()
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Enlisting....
I want to play too, (again). I'd like to be the baker - fortune cookie maker.
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Join Date: May 2004
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Surely the simplest solution is to let the seer, hunter and guardian know each other's identities and so work together to protect the villagers as the wolves work together to destroy them. That makes good and evil even at the start. And stops all this "What happens if the hunter takes down the guarded, cursed villager while the seer is dreaming about them type of hypothesis....
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Join Date: May 2005
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I'm not entirely sold on the Scribe role for the same reasons as The Saucepan Man.
On the participation rule, I think that if someone suddenly disappears without notice, they should be a candidate for lynching, but I'm not comfortable with requiring a vote or specific type of post for the reason that it restricts strategy. I like Mithalwen's idea of letting the seer, hunter and guardian work together.
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Mithalwen is in this game???? Ooooooh...I might have to enlist again after all....
*Fordim ponders*
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I prefer the idea of two separate players being the Masons/Elf-friends/Twins, since this will provide some benefit to the Villlagers, but not enough to tip the balance against the Werewolves. It will also give a greater number of players an additional role, which I see as a plus.
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Join Date: May 2002
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the guy who be short
Azaelia of Willowbottom littlemanpoet Eomer of the Rohirrim Anguirel Saurreg mormegil Lalaith Celuien the phantom Esgallhugwen Oddwen Nilpaurion Felagund Evisse the Blue Feanor of the Peredhil Mithalwen (I think) Fordim (?) Kuru (really wants to play but perhaps cannot?) I think it's 15 definites so far. Verily, a grand feast could be made! As for roles, I shall be a sea-faring rapscallion. ![]()
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Request: before the next round starts, can we have a compilation post on all the different character status agreed upon and the way they are supposed to be played? I for one would not like to break a rule unwittingly or be set upon by equally misguided fellow players.
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Auspicious Wraith
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I'm on your side here Saurreg. These new roles and rules are making my head spin!
Maybe I'm just not bored enough by the game as it is.
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Alive without breath
Join Date: Jan 2003
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*Violently gets the attention of Eomer*
Did I not ask to be included? ![]() I'm going to go and live in a little cave for a few years... It's all you’re fault!
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I noticed a post but I didn't see an offer of play, you violent so-and-so.
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Alive without breath
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It's okay Eomer... I found some cheese in this cave, so all is forgiven.
But just in case, this is my official asking to be included in the game. ![]()
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jun 2003
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There there Eomer it's all right *gives him a big hug*, and now that you know Hookbill wants to play it's all straightened out now. Right?
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Pilgrim Soul
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Well the Werewolves are guaranteed kills almost always so I don't have a problem with that. Also it would depend on the wolves attacking the hunter - I mean it is not as if the Hunter can make a preemptive strike. Also if there are separate masons the "ordinary" villagers will have to guess whether those seeming to work together are wolves or masons.. at least the hunter/guardian /seer trio can protect themselves a little. And they will have to be careful to be subtle. Anyway I guess like "Mornington Crescent", various variations will develop and I may well enforce these rules if I ever get my chance at being dictator ... I mean moderator .... ![]() Anyway, DVWP, my attention out of work shall be focused mainly elsewhere for 2 weeks from Monday... (SW19) ![]()
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Maundering Mage
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Nice list Eomer although we shouldn't consider TGWBS to be a player per se, being that he is the first to die and will be the moderator.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Maybe as a compromise between the hunter/guardian/seer combination and the 'mason' idea you could have just the hunter and guardian know each other...
the guardian wouldn't really want to protect the hunter because if the hunter's killed they stand a chance of getting a werewolf (so you don't run into the prob of the Guardian only protecting the person they know [seer]) Since it's only two it gives the same advantage of having two 'masons'...it just happens that they aren't ordinary villagers... It's probably worth thinking about...
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Let's not go overboard.
The villagers need a bit of help, not tons of help. Therefore, I don't think the seer, guardian, and hunter should be working together. The addition of masons should do the trick just fine. Well- that is if the village can manage to make it to day two with the seer still alive.
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