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Galadriel55 · 12-12-2010, 05:11 PM

Is it in/from Lothlorien?

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-12-2010, 06:16 PM

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.
Palantir(s)? No.
Second Age? No.
Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes.
Galadriel's mirror? A great guess. But wrong. No.
Galadriel's phial? Nyet.
Could it be held in hand? Nein.
Is it dreams? No. It's material.
Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood?
No. Not related to Bruinen.
And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin? Nope.
Hmmm. This is tricky indeed. Let's tackle it from a different angle, then.
Could it be held in hand? No.

Was it made/used within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?Yes.

Did it come from Lothlorien?
Yes.

Galadriel55 · 12-12-2010, 07:37 PM

Lembas?

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-13-2010, 07:59 AM

Lembas?
Nope.

(The "when" is key).

Pitchwife · 12-13-2010, 08:07 AM

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-13-2010, 08:35 AM

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?
YES!

Quote:

But now [the Dwimordene] seemed shrouded in a gleaming mist; and to their dismay the mist passed over the river and flowed over the land before them....As they drew nearer they saw that the white mist was driving back the glooms of Dol Guldur, and soon they passed into it...under its canopy all things were lit with a clear and shadowless light, while to left and right they were guarded by white walls of secrecy.
"The Lady of the Golden Wood is on our side, it seems," said Borondir."

(But did Eorl even send her a thank-you bouquet? NO. (men

)

Btw, Before going with the white mist I considered the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with, but that could have led to other yes/no tricky answers to questions. If asked if "it" was human technically the answer is, I think, no, but to do so would lead you to assume it was a place or thing.

As to whether the mist was natural or created, it seems to me the nearest analog could be the river at the Ford of Bruinen attacking the Nine Riders and killing their horses. The River itself was natural, used by Elrond, and enhanced (horses heads) by Gandalf.

Pitchwife · 12-13-2010, 10:56 AM

Well, the Valar be thanked - otherwise my last guess would have been 'the perfume Galadriel puts on for special nights with Celeborn' (not very canonical, I'm afraid).
That was a tough nut to crack, Tuor! Lovely! (If I'm allowed just one minor nitpick, I would have said the mist was a substance rather than an object; but never mind.) And I'm really grateful you didn't pick Helm's punch - we might have had to rename this thread '200 Questions on ME'!

Now let me just think a bit on something sufficiently esoteric to match this...

Galadriel55 · 12-13-2010, 04:27 PM

Good job, Pitch! I would never have thought of that! Not that I really payed any attention to that passage...I don't recall it at all right now...

But good job!!!
Just the usual: person?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 07:57 AM

Person? - No.

Kyranger · 12-14-2010, 11:34 AM

Place?

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-14-2010, 12:59 PM

Thing?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 01:22 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.

Kyranger · 12-14-2010, 04:04 PM

Substance?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 04:15 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.

Galadriel55 · 12-14-2010, 04:20 PM

event?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 04:46 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.

Galadriel55 · 12-14-2010, 05:01 PM

hmmm... a word that would define "the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with"?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 05:26 PM

I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".

Nerwen · 12-14-2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".

I should call that a "thing".

Well. Is this an oath, perhaps?

Pitchwife · 12-14-2010, 05:48 PM

Well, for me a 'thing' is something material, and this isn't. As for what it is, I'd call it a concept.
Anyway, it's not an oath.

Galadriel55 · 12-14-2010, 06:41 PM

task?

Nerwen · 12-14-2010, 07:15 PM

Does it pertain to one particular individual? (Like, to use your own example, "Gandalf's stewardship of Gondor".)

Pitchwife · 12-15-2010, 03:40 AM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)

Galadriel55 · 12-15-2010, 06:16 AM

anything to do with ruling something?

Pitchwife · 12-15-2010, 12:07 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.

Galadriel55 · 12-15-2010, 02:55 PM

does it pertain to a particular nation? Like, for example, all hobbits are short, all dwarves are sturdy, etc.

Pitchwife · 12-15-2010, 03:15 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular nation? - Well, I wouldn't call Hobbits, Dwarves etc. nations (race? species?), but if you use the word like that, Yes it does.

Galadriel55 · 12-15-2010, 03:20 PM

Well, you are right that they aren't really nations, but you could differentiate between Sindar and Noldor, for example, even though they are both elves. Or with men - men of Esgaroth/dale, Rohan, Gondor, and other places could be called separate nations...
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"?

Pitchwife · 12-15-2010, 03:43 PM

Sorry, Galadriel55 *, seems we misunderstood each other. In your last question you used 'nation' in the sense of e.g. all Hobbits, all Dwarves etc., and I said if you mean it that way, Yes. If you mean 'nation' as in Sindar or Noldor, Gondorians or Rohirrim, it's a No. Get me?

So:
Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.

*can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

Galadriel55 · 12-15-2010, 04:05 PM

Sorry about that misconception. I'm not very good with explanations, as you can see...

Is the mortal race/nation humans?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me

Pitchwife · 12-15-2010, 04:43 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.
Is the mortal race/nation humans? - Yep!

Quote:

Originally Posted by G55

You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me

It's not really that long, compared to, for example, Ibrîniðilpathânezel; I'm just being lazy.

Nerwen · 12-15-2010, 05:52 PM

The Gift/Doom (depending on the spin) of Men?

Galadriel55 · 12-15-2010, 06:54 PM

You beat me to it, Nerwen! I bet that's the answer!

Pitchwife · 12-16-2010, 09:02 AM

... and of course it is; 'the Gift of the One to Men', as the Eldar say. Correct, Nerwen! Your turn.

Galadriel55 · 12-16-2010, 04:13 PM

person?

Kyranger · 12-16-2010, 05:27 PM

Place?

Nerwen · 12-16-2010, 06:27 PM

Person? –no.
Place? –no.

Kyranger · 12-16-2010, 06:46 PM

Object?

Nerwen · 12-16-2010, 07:23 PM

Object? –yes.

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-16-2010, 07:32 PM

Intelligent-creature made object?

12-12-2010, 05:11 PM	#5921
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	Is it in/from Lothlorien? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-12-2010, 06:16 PM	#5922
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	A person? No. Place? No. Object? Yes, it's a thing. Weapon? I would say no. Jewel? No. Plant? No. Magical? Yes. Was it ever broken? No. Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so. Palantir(s)? No. Second Age? No. Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes. Galadriel's mirror? A great guess. But wrong. No. Galadriel's phial? Nyet. Could it be held in hand? Nein. Is it dreams? No. It's material. Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood? No. Not related to Bruinen. And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin? Nope. Hmmm. This is tricky indeed. Let's tackle it from a different angle, then. Could it be held in hand? No. Was it made/used within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?Yes. Did it come from Lothlorien? Yes. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 12-12-2010 at 06:20 PM.

12-12-2010, 07:37 PM	#5923
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	Lembas? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-13-2010, 07:59 AM	#5924
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Lembas? Nope. (The "when" is key). __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

12-13-2010, 08:07 AM	#5925
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-13-2010, 10:56 AM	#5927
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Well, the Valar be thanked - otherwise my last guess would have been 'the perfume Galadriel puts on for special nights with Celeborn' (not very canonical, I'm afraid). That was a tough nut to crack, Tuor! Lovely! (If I'm allowed just one minor nitpick, I would have said the mist was a substance rather than an object; but never mind.) And I'm really grateful you didn't pick Helm's punch - we might have had to rename this thread '200 Questions on ME'! Now let me just think a bit on something sufficiently esoteric to match this... __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-13-2010, 04:27 PM	#5928
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	Good job, Pitch! I would never have thought of that! Not that I really payed any attention to that passage...I don't recall it at all right now... But good job!!! Just the usual: person? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-14-2010, 07:57 AM	#5929
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 11:34 AM	#5930
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Place?

12-14-2010, 12:59 PM	#5931
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Thing? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

12-14-2010, 01:22 PM	#5932
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 04:04 PM	#5933
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Substance?

12-14-2010, 04:15 PM	#5934
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 04:20 PM	#5935
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	event? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-14-2010, 04:46 PM	#5936
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. Event? - Nnnot really. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 05:01 PM	#5937
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	hmmm... a word that would define "the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with"? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-14-2010, 05:26 PM	#5938
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words). Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship". __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 05:48 PM	#5940
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Well, for me a 'thing' is something material, and this isn't. As for what it is, I'd call it a concept. Anyway, it's not an oath. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-14-2010, 06:41 PM	#5941
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	task? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-14-2010, 07:15 PM	#5942
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Does it pertain to one particular individual? (Like, to use your own example, "Gandalf's stewardship of Gondor".) __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-15-2010, 03:40 AM	#5943
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. Event? - Nnnot really. Is this an oath, perhaps? - No. Task? - No. Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-15-2010, 06:16 AM	#5944
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	anything to do with ruling something? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-15-2010, 12:07 PM	#5945
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. Event? - Nnnot really. Is this an oath, perhaps? - No. Task? - No. Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.) Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-15-2010, 02:55 PM	#5946
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	does it pertain to a particular nation? Like, for example, all hobbits are short, all dwarves are sturdy, etc. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-15-2010, 03:15 PM	#5947
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. Event? - Nnnot really. Is this an oath, perhaps? - No. Task? - No. Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.) Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no. Does it pertain to a particular nation? - Well, I wouldn't call Hobbits, Dwarves etc. nations (race? species?), but if you use the word like that, Yes it does. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-15-2010, 03:20 PM	#5948
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	Well, you are right that they aren't really nations, but you could differentiate between Sindar and Noldor, for example, even though they are both elves. Or with men - men of Esgaroth/dale, Rohan, Gondor, and other places could be called separate nations... Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-15-2010, 03:43 PM	#5949
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Sorry, Galadriel55 , seems we misunderstood each other. In your last question you used 'nation' in the sense of e.g. all* Hobbits, all Dwarves etc., and I said if you mean it that way, Yes. If you mean 'nation' as in Sindar or Noldor, Gondorians or Rohirrim, it's a No. Get me? So: Person? - No. Place? - No. Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid. Substance? - No. Event? - Nnnot really. Is this an oath, perhaps? - No. Task? - No. Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no. Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes. Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals. can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI*

12-15-2010, 05:52 PM	#5952
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	The Gift/Doom (depending on the spin) of Men? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-15-2010, 06:54 PM	#5953
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	You beat me to it, Nerwen! I bet that's the answer! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-16-2010, 09:02 AM	#5954
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	i anna Iluvatáro ... and of course it is; 'the Gift of the One to Men', as the Eldar say. Correct, Nerwen! Your turn. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-16-2010, 04:13 PM	#5955
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,368	person? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-16-2010, 05:27 PM	#5956
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Place?

12-16-2010, 06:27 PM	#5957
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Person? –no. Place? –no. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-16-2010, 06:46 PM	#5958
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Object?

12-16-2010, 07:23 PM	#5959
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Object? –yes. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.