Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Nerwen]

++Form

Why not?

[Nogrod]

I was just coming to close the computer (with five hours to sleep )

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Why, looking for tips?

No. That was actually a serious question. Were you a wolf you would have been just as smooth and opportunistic, or am I wrong? So should I ask how had you played if you were innocent perhaps? Maybe that would have made you feel I was asking you a real question?

[Inziladun]

++Steve

++Fea

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I have done what I have felt was wright, with the limited information I had. . .
(It might have screwed things up, but I rather do that than do nothing at all)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Hey, that's a good rule of thumb. Hakon, for example, has been lynched more times than I can count for using meta after Day 1...not that that has ever stopped him, so possibly not the best example.

EDIT: xed with many and have to run.

Lol definitely not the best example.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Do I have to use my last two votes?
Ihoneslty don't know whom to vote for?

Meh, Day's over anyway. Use them all toMorrow though, k? K.



Aaaaand the moddess comes in at the last second and gives Nog two points! Gasp!

[alonariel]

Izzy - 4
Zil - 8
Form - 6
Fea - 5
Nerwen - 6
Brinn - 4
Lottie - 1
Nog - 0
Rune - 3
Steve - 3
Wilwa - 2

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Izzy - 4
Zil - 8
Form - 5
Fea - 4
Nerwen - 6
Brinn - 4
Lottie - 1
Nog - -2
Rune - 3
Steve - 2
Wilwa - 2

Nog is at zero now. Just....yeah. Lol.

[satansaloser2005]

"Not here to brag
Not here for thrills
I'm here to battle, baby
I dance to kill"


Which is to say that Nog was a wolf. Chiller, in fact.


An extra point toward toMorrow's tally to the first person who can PM me with the correct reason for the wolvs' names. Well, actually, given timezones and everything that's not fair. I'll put all the correct answers over the Night in my shiny bowl and will draw out two people for a point each. Shiny? Shiny.



ETA: Oh, and of course Dun's Simon for toMorrow. Send me your pick whenever you feel like, dear.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, sorry! Youth group ran late and then the net died on me....again.



ToNight, Candy and Killer conspired amongst themselves and in the end poor Brinn was slain. An ordo sweet was she.


(Narration to follow, I swear. I'm so sorry I fail, but this illness is getting the better of me both in RL and online. Trying to catch up, I promise.)



ETA: For the record....

The Dead
Gwath (ordo)
Nienna (hunter)
Mira (Thriller)
Pitch (ordo)
Glirdan (Diller)
Nog (Chiller)
Brinn (ordo)

The Living
Nerwen
Lottie
Fea
Rune
Steve
Dun
Wilwa
Izzy
Form

[satansaloser2005]

Btw you can totally post now. I'm probably going to bed, so if you need me and want to risk my wrath you can find my number on my facebook. Later all!

[Nerwen]

We don't have another wolf, do we?

[satansaloser2005]

Btw, added a list of the living and dead, so you don't have to search for one. Night!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Looks like it, Nerwen.

One at a time, I guess.

I feel so naked toDay without my Simon power...

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

We don't have another wolf, do we?

Ugh... "Candy and Killer." It sure looks like it...

Yeah...

I've got nothing.

Why eat Brinn?

[Inziladun]

My guess would be Fea was right about the Cursed role.
At any rate, I'm quite confident Lottie is a wolf. Proven links to two known wolves, and general suspicious activity make me think she ought to be our lynch focus toDay.

x/d with Moddess, Fea, and Form

[Nerwen]

Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay.

Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two.

I wonder why Brinn was killed? A suspected gifted? I thought she might be one myself, so I shouldn't be surprised if the wolf/wolves did.

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I wonder why Brinn was killed? A suspected gifted? I thought she might be one myself, so I shouldn't be surprised if the wolf/wolves did.

It would make sense. Since Hunter-Ni had a PM-buddy Lover, and Brinn said she had a PM-buddy that should feel ashamed for not jumping to save her... it might make sense that Brinn could have been the Ranger. Clearly she wasn't, but the logic's not horribly flawed...

[Inziladun]

Well, I don't think we'll go wrong going after Lottie. If we strike gold there, then we can move on to the next one.
The trouble spotting a Cursed is you don't know when they might have been turned, so they might have been acting perfectly innocent one Day, with subtle changes the next. It seems it's a bit more problematic than finding wolves there from the start.
However, it's 7-2 against the wolves at the moment, so I quite like our chances as long as we keep our heads.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The trouble spotting a Cursed is you don't know when they might have been turned.

Yes we do– Night before last, when there was no kill. Surely that's when it must have happened?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes we do– Night before last, when there was no kill. Surely that's when it must have happened?

*whistles nonchalantly*

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes we do– Night before last, when there was no kill. Surely that's when it must have happened?

*slaps forehead*

That is likely, I agree. That's something, anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*whistles nonchalantly*

Oh dear.

Are you hinting there's some way the wolves could turn the Cursed and make a kill on the same Night?

That seems very unfair to me.

I suppose I'd better check the rules...

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh dear.

Are you hinting there's some way the wolves could turn the Cursed and make a kill on the same Night?

That seems very unfair to me.

I suppose I'd better check the rules...

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

Don't bother, dear. I didn't mention it. But no, that's not possible. I was just whistling because your theorizing amused me.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay.

Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two.

Links to the other two? I fail to see how I could possibly be linked to Mira. To be honest, I'd basically forgotten she was playing.

[Loslote]

Sally has a werewolf pack,
Werewolf pack, werewolf pack.
Sally has a werewolf pack,
their kills give us the chills.

And ev'ry where that Sally goes,
Sally goes, Sally goes.
Ev'rywhere that Sally goes
The wolves would cause a thrill.

They followed her to school one day,
School one day, school one day.
They followed her to school one day,
her school friend they did kill.

Then they ate up all the food,
all the food, all the food.
Then they ate up all the food,
and left nary one candy.

So Sally became very mad,
Very mad, very mad.
So Sally became very mad,
and modfired all the wolves.

^ My song deserves wolf-modfire, yes?

~~~

Candy is hard to work into a song.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay.

Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two.

Oh, and: I admit it, I was wrong. Glirdy would be that obvious. I didn't think he would because I never would have. Wolf!Lottie would never do something so obvious, particularly not first-time-wolf!Lottie. Coming back from a long break in werewolfing, I expected (wrongly, as it turns out) that Glirdy would be somewhat similar. In my mind, clear ties to known wolves means very little, because I never believe that a wolf would do that, even though it has been proven that they do. I put more value in subtle ties to known wolves, which is why I suspected Wilwa over Nog. I still suspect Wilwa, too, for that reason (and others) and am not happy with the way she's slipping under the radar again. Steve and Rune, too - no one really looks at them. And yes, I am aware that there's one too many wolves in that little list of wolf-dom. I just suspect all of them. It doesn't help that Rune trusts me...I never trust people who trust me. I trust people who suspect me. Zil and Izzy look really good. Nerwen I'm pretty sure is innocent... which is one reason why the fact that they're trying to lynch me is a bit annoying.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

My guess would be Fea was right about the Cursed role.
At any rate, I'm quite confident Lottie is a wolf. Proven links to two known wolves, and general suspicious activity make me think she ought to be our lynch focus toDay.

Yeah, Fea's right. Candy doesn't exactly fit with the other wolf names, does it?

Could you specify "general suspicious activity"? You have used this before, and I have always been innocent before.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Links to the other two? I fail to see how I could possibly be linked to Mira. To be honest, I'd basically forgotten she was playing.

True, I probably overstated the case saying you had "links" to Mirawolf. But then she was only around for a Day. She did vote for you (and Glirdan).

Originally Posted by Loslote

Oh, and: I admit it, I was wrong. Glirdy would be that obvious. I didn't think he would because I never would have. Wolf!Lottie would never do something so obvious, particularly not first-time-wolf!Lottie.

"If I were a wolf I'd behave in such-and-such a way, so clearly I can't possibly be a wolf!"

Sorry, Lottie, but that one's older then Methuselah. You'll just have to try a bit harder to convince us.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I still suspect Wilwa, too, for that reason (and others) and am not happy with the way she's slipping under the radar again. Steve and Rune, too - no one really looks at them. And yes, I am aware that there's one too many wolves in that little list of wolf-dom. I just suspect all of them. It doesn't help that Rune trusts me...I never trust people who trust me. I trust people who suspect me. Zil and Izzy look really good. Nerwen I'm pretty sure is innocent... which is one reason why the fact that they're trying to lynch me is a bit annoying.

First of all, I don't trust you. I might not have wanted you dead, but it has never been a case of me trusting you. Anyways I find it interesting that you trust people that suspect you and never people who "trusts" you. I could never set up such rules, it is all about how people according to how I remember them being in previous games and also about what kind of relations I have to them. (the last one is not rational at all, but there are just some people I always seem to suspect)

Anyways, I am back home now, so I will be arround to night to do some proper posting.

[wilwarin538]

Brinn? A little bit of an odd choice. Perhaps it had to do with her saying she had a PenPal back on Day 2? The thing about her looking like a Ranger is possible too I suppose.

And the cursed thing seems to be correct. So really the best way to search for someone would be to see who started acting a bit different yesterDay, compared to the first 2 Days.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Oh, and: I admit it, I was wrong. Glirdy would be that obvious. I didn't think he would because I never would have. Wolf!Lottie would never do something so obvious, particularly not first-time-wolf!Lottie. Coming back from a long break in werewolfing, I expected (wrongly, as it turns out) that Glirdy would be somewhat similar. In my mind, clear ties to known wolves means very little, because I never believe that a wolf would do that, even though it has been proven that they do. I put more value in subtle ties to known wolves, which is why I suspected Wilwa over Nog. I still suspect Wilwa, too, for that reason (and others) and am not happy with the way she's slipping under the radar again.

Think about this though for a second Lottie. So you thought it was unlikely that Glirdan would be so obvious about Nog, I get that, I thought the same thing, we were wrong. But do you actually think that he would be crazy obvious by trusting 2 of his wolf mates? I mean going all crazy for Nog would make a bit of sense, cause people would think it too obvious, and since Nog was distancing from it, it looks even better. But him and I trusting each other, on top of the Nog thing, and me trusting Nog for a bit as well? That's 3 wolves with far too many connections to each other. Really think the 3 of us would all be that obvious?



Anyway, I looked at all the votes by and for the wolves:

Mira: voted for: Glirdan, Fea, Form, Lottie
was voted for by: Form, Izzy, Fea

Glirdan: voted for: Nog (D1,D2), Wilwa, Fea, Lottie
was voted for by: Brinn, Mira, Lottie, Wilwa (D1, D2)

Nog: voted for: Gwath, Inzil (D1,D2,D3), Nerwen, Nienna, Rune (D2,D3), Lottie, Form (D2,D3), Izzy
was voted for by: Inzil (D1,D2), Wilwa, Gwath, Eonwe (D1,D2), Nienna, Lottie, no one Day 3

So the only one on all 3? Lottie. Yes, I look kinda bad too because I'm connected to 2 of them. So is Fea, Form and Izzy. But Lottie has the most connections.

So I think she's probably Killer, no idea who Candy is though. Hopefully a girl, I'd feel bad for any guy stuck with that name.

Got a giant midterm today, so I gotta go get ready for school and make sure not to miss the bus. I'll be around randomly throughout the day, should be on lots for the last 4ish hours before DL.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Could you specify "general suspicious activity"? You have used this before, and I have always been innocent before.

Apart from your votes to and from wolves, I raised many of my concerns here.

Then there's a remark that would seem to mean little in itself, but when taken in whole with everything else, it looks bad.

When it was announced that Nog was losing points due to Simon here:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nog is down two points per Simon.

This was your reaction:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Wait - down two points? I forgot that was allowed...so he's got negative votes?

Looks like that honestly caught you off guard, and you were dismayed to find your packmate at a disadvantage, with little hope for you to save him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am the seer. Lottie is a Wolf.

I dreamed of Wilwa (innocent), Izzy (innocent), Nog (wolf), Lottie (wolf) and I require the Ranger to protect me toNight so that I can see if I can go three for three on bad guy dreams.

Sound like a plan?

And honestly it doesn't matter if the Ranger comes forward now because if the Cursed-Wolf does try to kill you toNight (sorry to sound callous) you'd be taking one for the team and it would still leave me alive long enough to get in another dream. But coming forward would give us another known innocent.

Addendum: Wilwa and Izzy could technically be the cursed villager, because they were dreamed before the cursed turned. However their actions have not reflected a change of role, hence me continuing to think of them as innocent.

[Inziladun]

Well, since Fea doomed Nog yesterDay by docking him two points as Simon, I see no reason to doubt she is legitimate.
Any other arguments, Lottie?

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I am the seer. Lottie is a Wolf.

I dreamed of Wilwa (innocent), Izzy (innocent), Nog (wolf), Lottie (wolf) and I require the Ranger to protect me toNight so that I can see if I can go three for three on bad guy dreams.

Sound like a plan?

And honestly it doesn't matter if the Ranger comes forward now because if the Cursed-Wolf does try to kill you toNight (sorry to sound callous) you'd be taking one for the team and it would still leave me alive long enough to get in another dream. But coming forward would give us another known innocent.

Addendum: Wilwa and Izzy could technically be the cursed villager, because they were dreamed before the cursed turned. However their actions have not reflected a change of role, hence me continuing to think of them as innocent.

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment. Even though there are still 2 wolves yet, we're still farther ahead then we could have been if we hadn't been so lucky. So I think they should stay quiet.

x'ed with Inzil

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment. Even though there are still 2 wolves yet, we're still farther ahead then we could have been if we hadn't been so lucky. So I think they should stay quiet.

I concur. No need to give Candy another obvious target just yet. We know who we're going to lynch toDay.
Speaking of that, I'll go ahead and get this done.

++Fea

[wilwarin538]

Here are the votes from the Day before the Night where the Cursed was chosen:

Brinn - 4
Fea - 6
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 4
Lottie - 4
Nerwen - 5
Nog - 4
Pitch - 2
Rune - 4
Steve - 3
Wilwa – 6
Zil - 5

Here is a list of everyone left:

Nerwen
Lottie - Wolf
Fea - Seer
Rune
Eonwe
Inzil
Wilwa - Innocent
Izzy - Innocent
Form - Presumed Innocent because of Lovers (people may disagree with this assumption, but it's what I think)

Now I know I still want to think Inzil innocent because of what Form said about Nienna's Hunt choices, but that happened before the Cursed so he may not be innocent anymore.

That leaves us with Nerwen, Rune, Steve and Inzil. Looking at the votes from the Day before that Night, and *assuming* the wolves may have chosen someone who had a fair number of votes, therefore a lot of trust and less likely to be lynched. Then Nerwen or Inzil could be it. It's tough though, cause Wolves use different reasoning for everything. So I don't know if those votes will actually help....

Anyway, I'll likely vote for Fea, Izzy and Form. Fea can technically be Simon again. Not sure who my fourth will be.

x'ed with Inzil

[Nerwen]

Aha. I guessed it was you, Fea. *pats self on back*

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment.

It would increase her chances of dreaming a wolf toNight, though... I don't know. It's really up to the Ranger to decide.

We really should start trying to work out who this last wolf might be now, instead of just leaving it to Fea, who may after all only get one more shot.

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites ).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites ).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

Why is Wilwa only semi-known?

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites ).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

Well I don't think it's Form, a Lover being a Cursed as well just seems unlikely. I suppose it could be Inzil or Izzy. Nog did vote for Izzy yesterDay. But I just don't know, I don't think it's her. Inzil, I'm not sure...

I personally think it's in that second group of Nerwen's. Now which of them would have been a more likely kill choice after Day 2? I don't know. And then there still might be this One Hint Wonder person chilling around somewhere.

I know for sure these two aren't gonna change for me so I'll vote now:

++ Fea

and

++ Form (happy birthday!)


I'll leave the other 2 til closer to DL, just incase something interesting happens.

x'ed with Rune, and Rune: Fea dreamt me Night 1, so I could technically be Candy. Same with Inzil and Izzy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

That leaves us with Nerwen, Rune, Steve and Inzil. Looking at the votes from the Day before that Night, and *assuming* the wolves may have chosen someone who had a fair number of votes, therefore a lot of trust and less likely to be lynched. Then Nerwen or Inzil could be it. It's tough though, cause Wolves use different reasoning for everything. So I don't know if those votes will actually help....

Too big an assumption, I think. I mean, it's logical, and I wouldn't write off Zil as a non-wolf yet– but as you say yourself, being hard to lynch is only one reason people get Night-killed. In the case of Nienna and Brinn, at any rate, it looks to me like the wolves were after possible gifteds (actual, in Ni's case).

EDIT:X'd with Rune and Wilwa.