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05-01-2007, 02:29 PM | #521 |
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Back again from the May 1st... And how interesting this is getting! And as Spm said, I feel the tide turning after many arduous Days and Nights. Let's figure this out!
My first thoughts: let's lynch Eomer who even himself kind of admitted (that's the new wolf stategy - being absent and then saying "I don't mind but love to see you take the toil of it"). Anyhow that would probably kill a wolf and thence relieve Kitanna as she clearly might then be our helper in our success. Okay, the vampires might kill her then but there are lots of other targets for them as well (myself, Rikae, Boro, Mac). So everything's open for the future after that. And good work ranger and shade! One thing that caught my eye was that the narration led us understand that it was the same person that the shade and the ranger protected. So it might not have been Rikae as Rikae was defended last Night already? This would say the vamps were not after Rikae last Night. So Kitanna, you might consider telling us who did you cover last Night as you have now revealed yourself anyhow! I know why you wouldn't, but just think of the spirit of the winning on the side of the goodies! And possibly we win this with your help toMorrow without you needing to go down (they might wish to kill Rikae, myself, Mac, Boro instead). The information would be nice as I think the Ranger should lay low as s/he has so far at this moment a reason not to reveal whom s/he protected. Yay ranger! You're driving those baddies mad! Kudos! Edit: X'd with a few... + added a few "s" to where they belonged... + made sense of a sentence that had none before... (the last one before the Kudos! -one)
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05-01-2007, 02:47 PM | #522 |
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Kitanna speaks the truth = Eomer is a vampire.
------- Kitanna lies to us = Eomer is or is not a vampire. In that case we waste one kill (Eomer) but as we have so many known innocents (at least three) we can afford to trust that so much as to try it out this way. I mean the shade helped us last Night (according to the narration) and thence wished us good - as that is reasonable anyhow - and so far Kitanna is the only one to have voiced it... But let's us not leave the discussion here! If Eomer indeed is a vampire that opens all the discussion from Day1 votes again! And the situation changes...
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05-01-2007, 03:18 PM | #523 |
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Woo.
++Eomer Let's see.... this post may not make a lot of sense, because I'm leaving in... fifteen minutes to go to work, but here goes: Confirmed Innocents: Rikae Nogrod Macalaure Boromir Shade: Kitanna Would it make sense to say that all of yesterday's Legate voters are innocent?
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05-01-2007, 03:29 PM | #524 |
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Lommy is innocent.
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05-01-2007, 03:44 PM | #525 |
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Erm, guys? Didn't Eomer just admit he's a Vampire, more or less?
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05-01-2007, 03:45 PM | #526 |
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i missed half the day and we alreayd bagged ourselves a vampie and possibly one more!
after Legates death, who is a vampire, i still want to incline to my theory before, but now Shasta doesn't seem that vampirish, and if Kitanna is right and Eomer is the vampire then we are good to go In Kitanna we trust ++Eomer (OOC: for fear of not coming back on, it is my bros b-day, i vote now) Xed: with Sixth
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05-01-2007, 03:50 PM | #527 |
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Yeah, why not...
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05-01-2007, 03:55 PM | #528 |
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Upgrading as I think this...
I agree with lynchig Eomer toDay.
But let us not be too hasty with it to subdue any other discussion. We still have the third Vampire around and s/he should not slip us! So I come back to this: Day3 Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1) Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1) Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1) Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1) Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1) Rikae: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Spm 1) Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 1) Boro: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 2) Lommy: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3) Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3, Eomer 1) Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 3, Eomer 1) Aganzir: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 4, Eomer 1) Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 4, Eomer 1) Mac: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 5, Eomer 1) Nogrod: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 6, Eomer 1) No votes: Glirdy (dead innocent), Legate (dead vampire), Eomer ----- According to Boro (a known innocent) Legate (a vampire) received 5 votes and not 4 as was told! According to the stated voting Spm got 6 votes and not the 5 / 4 he might have actually received. According to the information toDay, the shade was helping us innocent villagers... so we should take Kitanna's word for her vote as given at this moment. If you look at the tally it means that Rikae, Boro, Mac and myself voted for Spm. And as we have no reason to lie at this point (I as a hunter voted indeed Spm) it looks like Spm had four votes at least. But Legate had actually 5 votes as a known innocent claims it to be so! Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin voted for Legate - it's four votes and there is then one missing... So they are innocent as well? Probably they are... as we need the innocent people to vote. So what say you Aganzir? Your vote might have just fitted in before Spm got his... I need to think this more carefully again but this far I might say our vampires are Eomer and Aganzir. The Day1 voting needs to be seen again, though. I can see Eomer twisting that thing with one but with two? Then it leads to Kitanna... But lynching Eomer will give us a lot of the answers to begin with. EDIT: X'd with a few...
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05-01-2007, 04:21 PM | #529 |
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++ Eomer
Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack. As you may have guessed I protected Rikae last night. Since there's a good chance of my own demise tonight, I am looking for thoughts on who the third vampire may be. I can't protect anyone tonight and I'd hate to think a dream may go to waste, but I can attempt to kill the third vampire if, as a village, we can reach a general consensus.
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05-01-2007, 04:22 PM | #530 |
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If Lommy is innocent it makes Spm gathering 5 votes.
That means the Legate must have acquired the same 5 votes before Spm. How is that possible? Spm was voted by 5 known innocents: Rikae, Lommy, Boro, Mac and Nogrod. So there has to be at least 5 Legate voters... The Legate voters were: Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin. So we're missing at least one here. Looking at the voting record (not that we can take it from the face-value as the vampires might have voted a lot earlier / later that they claimed they did) it looks like Aganzir's vote on Spm is the one that solves the problem (it fits well also with the way Eomer the possible vampire lied about the tally in the first place). Now you ask whether a first timer would have been so sneaky... I can tell you she might just as well be. She's no newcomew into this game. But let's lynch Eomer toDay and see how you other people react to this solution... Remember baddies, as a hunter I might say one thing and hunt the other one. EDit: X'd with Kitanna...
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But that's a question I might hope some contributions of you others.... I stil think voting Eomer toDay is a good idea (solves at least a couple of riddles), but there seems to be discrepancies still... I try to think more of them tomorrow (RL) as now I'm off to sleep...
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05-01-2007, 05:14 PM | #532 |
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Well, that's easy.
++Eomer. Hmm... hopefully the night will reveal for sure who the final vampire is. |
05-01-2007, 05:21 PM | #533 |
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I think Rikae's a wolf.
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The only other possibility is that he is the Shade and has taken the side of the Vampires. Unlikely, given that this would make Kitanna a Vampire and she was the one who outed him. In any event, if this is the case, we simply lynch Kitanna toMorrow and still have numbers on our side. Quote:
No one has indicated that they lied about their votes for Menel (7 stated - but one was Legate's - 5 received) or me (6 stated, 5 or less received). Which suggests that the remaining Vampire claimed to have voted for Menel on Day 2 and me on Day 3. The only non-known innocents to vote for Menel (other than Legate) were Rune, Aganzir and me. The only non-known innocent to vote for me was Aganzir. So the Celuien votes suggest that Aganzir is not a Vampire, while the votes for me suggest that she is the only one who could be. Aaargh! It is, of course, possible that someone was lying about their vote for Rikae and/or that someone was lying about their vote for Celuien. But why would they do that if Aganzir is the third Vampire? Add to that a vote for Legate still unaccounted for, and it seems that an innocent has been lying about their vote. But why? I'm stumped. It remains possible that Nogrod is the third Vampire, as that I think would fit with all the voting 'facts' that we know. But everyone has spoken since he first made his Hunter claim and again toDay, I think, and no one has sought to contest his claim. So, unless this 'real Hunter' is holding out on us (and why would she/he do so?), that cannot be the case.
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...Okay, after thinking about that, you may be right. I won't be the first... second... twelfth to jump on that suggestion, but I suppose it's an extremely remote, highly improbable possibility. I would suggest trusting Kitanna; Rikae can examine him tonight, and if something comes up, he's dead. And if Rikae turns out to be wrong, we have our last Vampire. |
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05-01-2007, 05:28 PM | #536 |
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Where does xyzzy factor in to all of this?
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But then, surely now is the time for the real Seer (who, in this situation, has been keeping quiet in order to buy time) to step forward so that we can wrap this thing up?
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05-01-2007, 05:45 PM | #540 |
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Ok, so let's take it from this approach, and just start eliminating names to get the last wolf narrowed down as far as possible. So we have:
Gil-Galad The Saucepan Man Rikae Boromir88 Nogrod Thinlómien Aganzir Xyzzy Macalaure Diamond18 Shastanis Althreduin Kitanna Durelin Rune Son of Bjarne The Sixth Wizard Ok, so known innocents based upon revelations and seer dreams: Rikae Nogrod Kitanna Mac Boro Thinlomien Presumed innocent (and fairly sure they're innocent), based upon voting for Legate yesterday: Sauce Shasta Rune Durelin With one more being unknown. I honestly think that we should just forget about the Celuien votes, as evil vampire Eomer was behind that. So, I honestly think any attempt at trying to dissect it will just lead to confusion (as it already has today). Leaving: Gil Aganzir Xyzzy Diamond The Sixth Of those, based upon Nogrod's revelation as the lynch seer yesterday, the only one that would fit to being a vampire (since Kitanna - the shade- did not vote for Menel) would be Aganzir. Now, SpM, I think there are all sorts of possibilities and what not if Nogrod is messing with us, an innocent villager is lying about their votes..etc. But, I think we go with the practical answer that sitting right in front of us...and that is Menel received 5 votes, from 7 claimed...one vampire has been found, the other only one there we don't know about is Aganzir. Yesterday from the 6 claimed against SpM, he must have received at most 5...the only one we don't know about is Aganzir. So, I think since we have a big advantage in numbers we go for the practical and the person that's sitting right in front of our face we don't know about their identity and both times the votes didn't add up...that person of course is Aganzir. We lynch Eomer today and Kitanna, Nogrod, whoever go after Aganzir tonight. If Aganzir is not the last vampire, someone is pulling our leg and we need to start searching again. Edit: x-ed with several people
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*doesn't want to believe it's Aganzir*
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But without them I'm going for checking Eomer... via a lynch toDay. And didn't I say that the shade would win with us? Feeling good at the moment (it can change but at the moment all looks bright the first time...)!
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But, I agree that we should lynch Eomer toDay, and that gives us the rest of toDay and another Day after that to ponder the identity of the third Vamp. Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ...
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Just waiting for any miraculous revelations to happen or something... I really don't think I can foresee anything but by logic. And these should be there for all of us to share. So just see for yourselves!
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05-01-2007, 06:35 PM | #545 | |
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You're so helpful and your voting record is terrible and the way you refer to it with all those smilies - being the first to note that "I am such an suspicious one as well " - made me feel more than suspicious of you. You're so ready to prevent any supicions by stating them yourself that it makes one wonder... Not to say that you looked as helpful to the village, not only by mere words but performatively as well, that I thought you must be a vampire as I would have done the very same were I a vamp here... But yes, I'm feeling a lot safer with you right now as the things are bubbling in other quarters. I indeed felt a little bad voting you even though I had you as my main suspect... For Legate (my last Night's hunted) I had much less in belief even though a bit more in reason... well what do you learn of that after all? But as a hunter I will not say anything and reserve my right to hunt whoever I see fit for the next Night.
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05-01-2007, 06:49 PM | #546 |
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Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...you can stop reminding us in nearly every post...
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05-01-2007, 07:26 PM | #550 |
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would it be totaly wack to make a system where 2 our of
Gil Aganzir Xyzzy Diamond The Sixth was told to vote for one person x and afterwards the 3 others was told to vote for another y. (each group voting for the same person) If X dies we know that it was because that it reached 2 votes the first and that the wolf is in the second group, if Y dies it means that the vampire is in the other group, Of course the fault with this plan is that it only works if we are sure there is a vampire in that group and we are not. . ..so actually you should just forget what I just said. Well, I am going to leave the sugestion up, just in case it becomes relevant at some point. |
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I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..
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05-01-2007, 07:59 PM | #554 |
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Well, I suppose we will have to take a look at it tomorrow as we already have a lot of eomer votes.
which suits me fine as I am not sure when I can return and right now I really need sleep. It has been a long day and I got very little sleep last night. and so I will vote like everybody else (save Durelin) for Eomer. ++Eomer |
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o.o Oops... I'm glad day's not over, as I actually forgot to send my vote in.
*blush* Sending it right now. And to... SPM, I think, talking about the votes on Celuien... The tally of votes on Celuien is almost certainly false, given that Eomer was the Lynch Seer that day, and he's vampiric.
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05-01-2007, 09:52 PM | #556 |
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So here is the final list(that i can think of)
Gil Aganzir Xyzzy Diamond The Sixth Esspiem Rune now that we got the Shade and Seer working side by side, i guess we can then start sytemamtically going through this list and corner the vampire... i think this is going to be the first game where none of the gifted had died...
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If it doesn't end up being Aganzir, I'll probably vote for Gil.
Of course, some of that's the revenge talking.
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SPM and others who examine voting records: please don't bang your heads to the wall or anything even though the records don't make sense - there is always the possibility of some innocent stating a vote but forgetting to e-mail or pm the vote. I don't claim this is probable, but it's certainly possible.
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