Cryptic Clues - Page 14 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-24-2004, 08:13 AM

The bloody holiday break took me away from civilisation.

Enedwaith, I came across this silly headline in yesterday's paper:

Jewel precedes charged particle in history!

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-24-2004, 11:26 AM

Hmm, could it be Silmarillion?

Jewel = Silmaril

preceding

Charged particle = ion.

The whole being a history of the First Age.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-24-2004, 02:01 PM

Now I can safely eschew all commitments to the Quiz Room.

Celebriel Esgaledhel · 12-27-2004, 07:21 PM

I believe the next question would fall to The Saucepan Man.

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-29-2004, 11:45 AM

Boy in agony abducted hero's father.

Vinyacoriel · 01-04-2005, 10:37 AM

Denethor? maby?

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-04-2005, 11:22 AM

Welcome to the Downs, Vinyacoriel.

Unfortunately though, Denethor is not the correct answer.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-05-2005, 07:30 PM

Like, is "abducted" literal?

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-05-2005, 08:25 PM

A clue? But we've hardly got started.

Oh, OK then - if you insist.

No. It's part of the cryptic element. In true cryptic clue style, my literal elements are always at the beginning or end of a clue.

There we are. Two for the price of one.

By the way, Nilp. Do your alter egos have PTs too?

(Congratulations, by the way - nice choice.

)

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-05-2005, 08:56 PM

I'm still having trouble deciphering it. Maybe I'll bring it home and have my analysis team disect it.

Vy ze vay, thanks!

And yes, Adam has his personal title: Simply Satirical.

And mine is Nearly Nonexistent. It's obvious why.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-11-2005, 11:27 AM

Any takers?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-18-2005, 07:37 PM

Due to Saucie's vote of confidence, here I am on a thread I've never before been to. The answer is Tuor.

Another word for 'agony' is 'torture', inside of which one can find the name of the boy, 'Tuor'. In agony, because the poor dear was enslaved by Lorgan (or perhaps the only intentional part 'agony' had to play was posing as 'torture'); abducted because he was captured while fleeing the Havons of Sirion... that part was easy. The other literal part was 'hero's father'. Tuor is the father of Earendil.

The only problem, my dear Saucepan Man, is that I'm not all together sure that I can come up with a good cryptic clue of my own. I have a feeling it might take some practice.

Fea

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-18-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

The only problem, my dear Saucepan Man, is that I'm not all together sure that I can come up with a good cryptic clue of my own.

Well there is another problem - Tuor is not the correct answer.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-18-2005, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Well there is another problem - Tuor is not the correct answer.

How inconvenient. I suppose my ego did need to be flicked down a few notches, but I ask you... so brutally?

Tell me I did well for my first ever attempt at a cryptic clue though...

My other guess was Turin, but I don't like that answer so much.

Boy in agony abducted hero's father.

See, following my same line of thought as last time, agony remains torture, and if one puts 'in' inside of that word, you can get torturine. Agony because of the whole thing with the curse upon his house (falling in love with his sister, killing his friend, etc), and if the apostrophe-'s' means "hero is" than you get 'abducted hero is father' and Hurin was abducted by Morgoth and is quite the hero.

But then again, I'm not even positive that I'm going about this the right way...

Fea

Gil-Galad · 01-18-2005, 08:13 PM

Boy in agony abducted hero's father.

hmmm....

Maeglin?

He was in agony from his father, then he tried to abduct Earendil, elronds father.

first time...

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-18-2005, 08:17 PM

Sorry, neither is correct.

Somewhere near the beginning of this thread, I gave a long list of typical cryptic clues. It might be worth checking out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Tell me I did well for my first ever attempt at a cryptic clue though...

Why do you think that I pointed you in this direction?

the phantom · 01-18-2005, 11:16 PM

Since you pointed me to this thread I suppose I'd better be polite and take a guess.

Don't laugh if I'm wrong. This is the best answer I can think of right now.

Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits)

in agony abducted- a male hobbit's name found in "agony abducted"- Bungo

hero's father- Bungo is Bilbo's father, Bilbo is certainly a hero

So I'll guess Bungo.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-19-2005, 12:20 AM

Phantom, I have been puzzling this for over an hour, and now I suspect you're right. Since you and good ole' Fingolfin are doing so splendidly, you should come try your hands here . I'm getting bored waiting around for answer-ers. I'll even bump it to the top for you...

Sophia

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-19-2005, 04:05 AM

You are close, phantom, but no cigar ...

Gil-Galad · 01-19-2005, 12:11 PM

i think i got it

Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits)

in agony abducted- it could be Frodos parents, since they died in a boating accident, well they drowned so they were kind of missing

hero's father- Drago is Frodos father, and we all know that Frodo is a hero

so my guess would be Drago

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-19-2005, 12:48 PM

No cigar for you either, Gil-Galad.

the phantom · 01-20-2005, 12:53 PM

I might've been right before, but I just got the answer the wrong way.

If I'm not right this time then I will be quite angry with you, SP.

Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits)

in agony abducted- What can be found in "agony abducted"? Bag End!

And who could be found in Bag End? Bungo, Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam

So which one is it?

hero's father- Bilbo and Frodo were not fathers and I don't recall any tales of Sam's children doing heroic things, so it must be Bungo.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-20-2005, 01:54 PM

Had you found the correct answer, phantom, then I would have awarded the thread to you, even if your reasoning was not spot on.

By way of a further hint, you are all thinking too literally here. Only two words in the clue provide a literal clue. The rest are all cryptic.

Tell you what, as this is taking some time, here's the reasoning to follow:

Find synonyms for "boy", "agony" and "abducted" and order them according to the clues in the question to find a hero's father.

the phantom · 01-20-2005, 02:27 PM

Finally! Here it is...

boy = lad

agony = pain

abducted = took

lad in pain = pa-lad-in

Paladin Took!!!! (Pippin's father)

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-20-2005, 07:25 PM

Give that phantom a cigar!

The thread is yours ...

the phantom · 01-21-2005, 11:39 AM

Thanks for showing me this thread, Sir Saucepan.

Now I have to come up with one of these things. After my class today I'll start working on it. I might not get a chance to post it this evening, but I promise it will be no later than tomorrow evening.

the phantom · 01-22-2005, 06:32 PM

Well... here it goes. My first ever cryptic clue-

Elf acquires fish-breath at Georgia anti-girl rally

(yell and curse at me via pm if I did this wrong)

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-22-2005, 09:41 PM

Gil-Galad, perchance?

Elf- self explanatory
fish-breath- Gills - Gil
Georgia - abbreviated GA
anti-girl rally - well, lads are boys? - Lad

Sophia

ps, take that gill clue over to Password...

the phantom · 01-22-2005, 10:14 PM

Right on, Sophia.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-23-2005, 12:11 AM

Halfling flees in the past, chats in second person, encounters irritating fly.

Gil-Galad · 01-23-2005, 08:24 AM

probaly Gollum/Smeagol....i wonder if they ever did a duet...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-23-2005, 02:35 PM

Nope, not.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-23-2005, 06:22 PM

"flees in the past" = ran (the past tense of runs)
"chats in second person" = u (chatspeak for "you")
"irritating fly" = gad (a type of fly - a gadfly)

The whole being Ranugad, the translation of Hamfast, a Hobbit.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-23-2005, 06:47 PM

You are absolutely correct in both answer and reasonings, Saucy.

Sophia

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-23-2005, 08:14 PM

Why thank you, Mistress of the Storm.

Next up:

Tom's accumulation is small but includes each flower.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Anyone ...?

Turambar · 01-25-2005, 06:50 PM

Is the answer aeglos? A glossary is a sort of accummulation, and aeglos would be a small glossary that includes ea. = "each".

But I don't see where Tom comes in . . . `

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-25-2005, 07:44 PM

Nope. You are in the right area with your answer, but not the reasoning.

You need to work out what Tom's accumulation might be ...

Encaitare · 01-25-2005, 08:09 PM

I do believe that Tom's accumulation would be lilies... but I still have no idea what the answer might be. Hope if that's right, it helps someone out.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-26-2005, 07:08 PM

It's nothing to do with lilies.

12-24-2004, 08:13 AM	#521
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Es tut mir leid (again). The bloody holiday break took me away from civilisation. Enedwaith, I came across this silly headline in yesterday's paper: Jewel precedes charged particle in history! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 01-02-2005 at 11:23 PM. Reason: German wizardry issues

12-24-2004, 11:26 AM	#522
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm, could it be Silmarillion? Jewel = Silmaril preceding Charged particle = ion. The whole being a history of the First Age. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-24-2004, 02:01 PM	#523
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Like, thanks, dude! Now I can safely eschew all commitments to the Quiz Room. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-27-2004, 07:21 PM	#524
Celebriel Esgaledhel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Almaren Posts: 94	neeeext... I believe the next question would fall to The Saucepan Man. __________________ Virtus, non copia vincint

12-29-2004, 11:45 AM	#525
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Okey dokey then ... Boy in agony abducted hero's father. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-04-2005, 10:37 AM	#526
Vinyacoriel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 59	Denethor? maby?

01-04-2005, 11:22 AM	#527
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Welcome to the Downs, Vinyacoriel. Unfortunately though, Denethor is not the correct answer. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-05-2005, 07:30 PM	#528
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	A clue? Like, is "abducted" literal? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-05-2005, 08:25 PM	#529
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	A clue? But we've hardly got started. Oh, OK then - if you insist. No. It's part of the cryptic element. In true cryptic clue style, my literal elements are always at the beginning or end of a clue. There we are. Two for the price of one. By the way, Nilp. Do your alter egos have PTs too? (Congratulations, by the way - nice choice. ) __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-05-2005, 08:56 PM	#530
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Hmmm . . . I'm still having trouble deciphering it. Maybe I'll bring it home and have my analysis team disect it. Vy ze vay, thanks! And yes, Adam has his personal title: Simply Satirical. And mine is Nearly Nonexistent. It's obvious why. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-11-2005, 11:27 AM	#531
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Any takers? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-18-2005, 07:37 PM	#532
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Boy in agony abducted hero's father. Due to Saucie's vote of confidence, here I am on a thread I've never before been to. The answer is Tuor. Another word for 'agony' is 'torture', inside of which one can find the name of the boy, 'Tuor'. In agony, because the poor dear was enslaved by Lorgan (or perhaps the only intentional part 'agony' had to play was posing as 'torture'); abducted because he was captured while fleeing the Havons of Sirion... that part was easy. The other literal part was 'hero's father'. Tuor is the father of Earendil. The only problem, my dear Saucepan Man, is that I'm not all together sure that I can come up with a good cryptic clue of my own. I have a feeling it might take some practice. Fea __________________ peace

01-18-2005, 08:13 PM	#535
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Boy in agony abducted hero's father. hmmm.... Maeglin? He was in agony from his father, then he tried to abduct Earendil, elronds father. first time... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-18-2005, 11:16 PM	#537
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Here it goes Since you pointed me to this thread I suppose I'd better be polite and take a guess. Don't laugh if I'm wrong. This is the best answer I can think of right now. Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits) in agony abducted- a male hobbit's name found in "agony abducted"- Bungo hero's father- Bungo is Bilbo's father, Bilbo is certainly a hero So I'll guess Bungo. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-19-2005, 12:20 AM	#538
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Phantom, I have been puzzling this for over an hour, and now I suspect you're right. Since you and good ole' Fingolfin are doing so splendidly, you should come try your hands here . I'm getting bored waiting around for answer-ers. I'll even bump it to the top for you... Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-19-2005, 04:05 AM	#539
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	You are close, phantom, but no cigar ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-19-2005, 12:11 PM	#540
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i think i got it Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits) in agony abducted- it could be Frodos parents, since they died in a boating accident, well they drowned so they were kind of missing hero's father- Drago is Frodos father, and we all know that Frodo is a hero so my guess would be Drago __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-19-2005, 12:48 PM	#541
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No cigar for you either, Gil-Galad. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-20-2005, 12:53 PM	#542
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I might've been right before, but I just got the answer the wrong way. If I'm not right this time then I will be quite angry with you, SP. Boy- a male hobbit ("They would be small, only children to your eyes" Aragorn speaking of hobbits) in agony abducted- What can be found in "agony abducted"? Bag End! And who could be found in Bag End? Bungo, Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam So which one is it? hero's father- Bilbo and Frodo were not fathers and I don't recall any tales of Sam's children doing heroic things, so it must be Bungo. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-20-2005, 01:54 PM	#543
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Had you found the correct answer, phantom, then I would have awarded the thread to you, even if your reasoning was not spot on. By way of a further hint, you are all thinking too literally here. Only two words in the clue provide a literal clue. The rest are all cryptic. Tell you what, as this is taking some time, here's the reasoning to follow: Find synonyms for "boy", "agony" and "abducted" and order them according to the clues in the question to find a hero's father. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-20-2005, 02:27 PM	#544
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Got it!! Finally! Here it is... boy = lad agony = pain abducted = took lad in pain = pa-lad-in Paladin Took!!!! (Pippin's father) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-20-2005, 07:25 PM	#545
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	By Jove, I think he's got it ... Give that phantom a cigar! The thread is yours ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-21-2005, 11:39 AM	#546
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Thanks for showing me this thread, Sir Saucepan. Now I have to come up with one of these things. After my class today I'll start working on it. I might not get a chance to post it this evening, but I promise it will be no later than tomorrow evening. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-22-2005, 06:32 PM	#547
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Well... here it goes. My first ever cryptic clue- Elf acquires fish-breath at Georgia anti-girl rally (yell and curse at me via pm if I did this wrong) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-22-2005, 09:41 PM	#548
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Of him did harpers sadly sing? Gil-Galad, perchance? Elf- self explanatory fish-breath- Gills - Gil Georgia - abbreviated GA anti-girl rally - well, lads are boys? - Lad Sophia ps, take that gill clue over to Password... __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-22-2005, 10:14 PM	#549
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Right on, Sophia. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-23-2005, 12:11 AM	#550
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Easy peasy. Halfling flees in the past, chats in second person, encounters irritating fly. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-23-2005, 08:24 AM	#551
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	probaly Gollum/Smeagol....i wonder if they ever did a duet... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-23-2005, 02:35 PM	#552
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Nope, not. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-23-2005, 06:22 PM	#553
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm, I think that I might have it. "flees in the past" = ran (the past tense of runs) "chats in second person" = u (chatspeak for "you") "irritating fly" = gad (a type of fly - a gadfly) The whole being Ranugad, the translation of Hamfast, a Hobbit. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-23-2005, 06:47 PM	#554
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	And without any clue stealing... You are absolutely correct in both answer and reasonings, Saucy. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-23-2005, 08:14 PM	#555
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Why thank you, Mistress of the Storm. Next up: Tom's accumulation is small but includes each flower. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-25-2005, 06:08 PM	#556
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Any takers? Anyone ...? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-25-2005, 06:50 PM	#557
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Is the answer aeglos? A glossary is a sort of accummulation, and aeglos would be a small glossary that includes ea. = "each". But I don't see where Tom comes in . . . ` __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

01-25-2005, 07:44 PM	#558
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<-- Hint Nope. You are in the right area with your answer, but not the reasoning. You need to work out what Tom's accumulation might be ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!