Quotes in other languages

[paavo]

But of course! (Although my translation won't be a masterpiece. )

"The sword thought the mind of the man, guessed the causerie of the brave. Answered with the word: Why wouldn't I eat gladly, eat the guilty flesh, drink the faulty blood? I eat the flesh of the guiltless, I drink the blood of the innocent."

After this (as everyone knows, right? ) Kullervo throws himself at the sword and kills himself.

[Mithalwen]

that is fantastic - I love the story of Turambar. I must try and get a translation of the Kalevala ... bookshops don't have it so I must try Amazon. I will try and get a new one up asap .. but it won't be so impressive.....

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mithalwen?

[Mithalwen]

Sorry Nilp: please take the turn.. I am struggling with dementors and the black dog and find myself consequently lacking inspiration. Forgive me.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

'Gumagawa sila ng kanta na nagsasabing sa panahon niya ang mga ilog ay dumaloy ng may ginto.'

The language is Filipino. The quote is inexact due to imperfect cultural translation.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Every mishap of mine will be blamed on the end-of-semester crunch time.

Some words to start you with:

~kanta - song
~(mga kanta - songs)
~ilog - river
~ginto - gold
~(may ginto - with gold)

[paavo]

I'm having the same problem as with the previous one. I am somewhat able to translate the phrase but I still do not know where it is from... It would be much easier if all the books were in an electrical form so you could use the search function.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's in the book named after a race.

[paavo]

as it happens I do not have the particular book at my hand. I guess I'll just have to drag myself to the library...

[Guinevere]

I'll take a guess Could it be:

"They are making songs which say that in his day the rivers run with gold."

Balin speaking to Bilbo about the new Master of Lake-town (right at the end of "The Hobbit")

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Excellent find. Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Nil!

Und du ........., wirst all die heimlichen Gedanken deines Geistes entdecken, und wirst erkennen, dass sie nur ein Teil des Ganzen sind und zu seinem Ruhm beitragen.

[HerenIstarion]

it took me a lot of effort to get this one, thanks, Guinevere

First to render it to

And you ... you will find out the secret thoughts of your soul, and will know that only part of the whole exists and is its fame

and eventually learn that in fact, it was meant to be

And thou, Melkor, wilt discover all the secret thoughts of thy mind, and wilt perceive that they are but a part of the whole and tributary to its glory

[Guinevere]

And I thought it might be too easy!
But in fact, the original is much easier to recognize, because of the "thou" and "thy".

(In a German Tolkien Forum where I also am a member, we a have thread "Zitateraten" as well. But the quotes are much harder to recognize, because when translated, the typical styles of the different races and characters are hardly recognizable anymore. Besides, there are 2 different translations which often cause confusion!)

[HerenIstarion]

I nurtured the great plan of providing you with something terribly hard in some obscure language, but, circumstances being what they are, settled for Russian again

Da, ti videl ego na mgnovenie takim, kakov on na drugoi storone - odin iz moguchikh iz Pervorojdennikh

[Guinevere]

How about some hints? ( it doesn't look like any Russian-speaking people are viewing this thread... )

[HerenIstarion]

Pervorojdenniy - Firstborn
drugoi - other
storona - side
ti videl - you saw

[Guinevere]

Your hints did the trick:

"Yes, you saw him for a moment as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn."

Gandalf to Frodo about Glorfindel

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, of course. The floor is yours

[Guinevere]

Thanks Here's a French quote, I hope not too short...

"Je n'ai pas mordu et j'ai aboyé très peu."

Gandalfs answer to Frodo when he asked what Gandalf had done to Barliman Butterbur.

"I did not bite, and I barked very little."

[Guinevere]

Welcome to this thread, Eyrie! your turn

Thank you! Although I must admit that my knowledge in French is somewhere around 0...
Anyways, I'm taking now a huge risk, since I know you are at the moment very good in Finnish. Hopefully this quote is difficult enough, so that you won't recognise it instantly.

"Ystäväni, minulla on huonoja uutisia suvultani, ja pelkään että minun on jätettävä teidät joksikin aikaa. Veljeni on haavoittunut, ja hän makaa nyt tuskissaan ja kutsuu minua, sillä osaan parantaa örkkien tekemiä haavoja. Palaan mahdollisimman pian."

A few hints:
ystävä = friend
suku = kin
jättää = to leave
veli = brother
tuska = pain
örkki = Orc
haava = wound
palata = to return

I'll let you work out the suffixes and other grammatics by yourself. Good luck!

[Guinevere]

since I know you are at the moment very good in Finnish.

Not me, in any case. I don't understand a word.
*goes away to ponder over the hints*

A little extra hint (or actually it's a correction):
The first word should be just "friend"(ystävä), but at the time when I wrote this I tought it would be more polite with "my friend"(ystävä/ni).

I can also reveal that it's not from the LotR-trilogy.

[paavo]

I am greatly tempted to come and take the thread but since I have a small advantage (see my location) over my fellow wights I try to resist the temptation and instead let you think your head off with the quote.

[HerenIstarion]

Drûg Aghan to Barach:

Friend, I have ill news from my kin, and I fear I must leave you a while. My brother has been wounded, and he lies now in pain and calls for me, since I have skill in treating Orc-wounds. I will return as soon as I may

Well finally somebody knew it! Congratulations HerenIstarion, and please post next quote.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

H-I?

[HerenIstarion]

I'm a bit preoccupied lately. Being not sure if I can follow the thread closely, I'm willing to pass my right for the next puzzle to whoever wishes to continue. My apologies for inconvenience

cheers

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

"Det er en del af et kvad, det hedder Gil-galads fald, det er digtet på et gammelt sprog Bilbo må have oversat det. Det vidste jeg ikke."

Actually there is very little differens in the choise of word in my translation and the one in the book.

I will give Hints latter if people wish, I just don't have time to do it now.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

[Strider: ]It is part of the lay that is called The Fall of Gil-galad, which is in an ancient tongue. Bilbo must have translated it. I never knew that.

LR I 11

'Gil-galads fald,' indeed.

[Cailín]

Oooh how fun! How hard can Danish be if you speak Dutch and German?

Hm... "det hedder Gil-galads fald"

Well, the latter part is obviously "The Fall of Gil-Galad."

"det hedder" is then probably "dat heet" or "das heisst" in German, which would make it say something like "It is named / called the Fall of Gil-Galad."

"det er digtet på et gammelt sprog Bilbo må have oversat det."

Uh, that's a bit harder. I may be completely off here. "gammelt" sounds like the Dutch word "gammel" which has something to do with being old and broken. So it might mean simply old. "sprog", considering that this is Tolkien we're talking about, may very well be the Dutch word "spraak" and the German word "Sprache" which would translate to language or tongue in English. So gammelt sprog is ancient language.

Oversat sounds remotely like ubersetzen... which means translating. I think Bilbo did that sometimes.

The last part is too hard. "Vidste" might be "wisten". Which means knew.

I don't know the books quite well enough, so I'll leave the rest to someone else I suppose. That is, if my translation is even remotely correct.

Edit: ai Nilp, you cheater. I was trying it the hard way.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Edit: ai Nilp, you cheater. I was trying it the hard way. (Cailín)

Although, the way you broke down the thing is almost scary.

*sigh* I wish I had your language abilities. German was easy until we came to Partizip II. And I've yet to go to advanced grammar. French is easy so far, but we're just in the basics. I don't think my Russian would go very far because not many people share the enthusiasm in studying it, and the university has this silly rule about minimum class size. And Finnish . . . argh! And to think this is the one I might need the most!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Had I known that your skills was that impressive I would have chosen a less obvious quote, nothing Cailin said was wrong.

and yes, gammelt simply means old.

I allways love to hear people speak dutch because it sounds kind of like danish, but then not at all. If you understand.

No matter how Impressed (and Shocked) I am with you Cailin I can do nothing, but hand the thread over to Nilp.

[Cailín]

I was close. Thanks for your much appreciated awe, though it is really not that complicated.

Nilp, I am sure you know far more languages than me! I can only read a lot of different languages (and most of them are dead anyway)... but speak merely Dutch, German and English. And as you can see, these languages are often so alike that if you know one, it is fairly easy to learn another.

I allways love to hear people speak dutch because it sounds kind of like danish, but then not at all. If you understand.

Yeah I do. You listen and listen and think you must be able to understand something, because it all sounds so alike and yet you cannot make out a single word.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hmmm, what language now?

I guess I'll go with the only foreign language I know by heart: Filipino again.

Basura. Walang kwentang nakawin. Mga ligaw na ugat lang.

If you need clues just buzz me.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hmm I got something wiht wain-riders but what is that whale doing there ?

BUZZ BUZZ CLUES PLEASE ! ! !

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Whoa, Rune! Where did you get that?

~kwenta--worth
~ugat--roots

I hear, Guinevere might get this now.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

~basura - rubbish

Oh, and there was a typo on the quote. Sorry.