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Mellifluous Maia
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Patented Rikae double post ...
So here's what I'm tentatively thinking of right now. - 3 wolves, unless it's a huge village. Perhaps NW role comes into play when two(three) wolves are dead? NW not being a specific wolf, but a collective ability of the dead pack. - cobbler, only ever revealed as ordo, whether dead or dreamed - seer (straightforward normal seer) - ranger (straightforward normal ranger) - weaver. This was a role in the first game I ever played. It's a bit like a seer, but instead of seeing one players role, they see whether two players have the same alignment (so, for the weaver, cobbler & wolf would come out as "same alignment"). I'm thinking of having this be another role that only becomes active on death, and looks like an ordo to the seer and in their death narration. - hunter (undecided about logical vs illogical) So there will be 3 possible unknown roles among the dead. ------------------------------------------------- Rules -The dead may talk day and Night -during the Night, the dead may elect a ghost. They get 3 chances to do this, and cannot choose the same ghost twice. I'm thinking of doing it this way to force the dead to think about these choices rather than sending back the last night-kill every day. To make the choice whether to send a ghost at all democratic, those who want not to could vote ++no ghost. - the ghost returns to the game thread the next Day. They cannot communicate with the dead while haunting. They may only make 3 posts, which can only be sentences from Tolkien, but they may make these posts at any point during the day, allowing them to respond to new developments (I'm going for maximum frustration for living, dead, and ghost here, because it amuses me ![]() If the first chapter thing is just to avoid pointing to signatures, I think it might be okay to open it up to all quotes, given the last rule on this list. After all, people have always had the ability to hint by alluding to signatures, but they rarely do. - the dead may also cast a collective vote during the Day (???) This would also mean the ghost did not get to participate in voting while they were haunting. I kind of like this, since I'd like sending a ghost to be a costly choice the dead will only make if they feel like they have something important to convey, but alternatively, I could let them privately cast a vote to be counted in the dead's election that day, or let them vote on the living thread. - strict ban on the living giving instructions to the ghost or the dead (aside from the general "Boro is a wolf, vote for him!" type thing directed at everyone). Violators will be yeeted into the void. |
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Yes to not revealing the cobbler if they die.
I think I always err on the side of trying not to restrict content in posts, because I like having as many options on the table as possible. However, I think in this case with the Ghost role, where every day 1 person comes back to the living to pass off cryptic information, Rikae's suggestion makes sense. I think it would be important in having the Ghost role be one where the living players are forbidden to direct the returning Ghost a plan to relay the information.
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The Werewolf's Companion
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I think these rules sound like a fun game, Rikae! I really like the idea of not letting the Living try to dictate to the Dead - I think trying to figure out what the Dead meant after they do something is way more fun than trying to dictate to them ahead of time for both the Living and the Dead anyway. I love the idea of the cobbler not being revealed.
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Love all this, Rikae! And after thinking about it, the three posts may be very well enough for the Ghost - some people post only as many (not counting maybe some one-liner vote post) even when alive!
Just for clarification, I assume the Ghost can't quote (as in, quote: <somebody's post> /end quote). That would be unfair and would allow them to skirt around the ambiguity (as in, they could quote the post of someone they want to accuse and add to it their own quote about how Wargs attacked the Fellowship, or something. And the NW would be the first Wolf dead? Or how would it work? I assume that's the third "unknown role" you are referring to? (Aside from the weaver and cobbler.)
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And the fire died out?..
Just wanna say that 1) I like Rikae's idea about the Weaver, that would give the DT actual information to convey to the LT and therefore a purpose for the Ghost, and 2) If we want a true Twitter game, I will even get Twitter for this purpose.
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Mellifluous Maia
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Mellifluous Maia
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Okay, there's a little "we're still interested" action on Rikae's CXVI thread, but no sign of Rikae, so I'll post here. What's the state of things? I have motivation and a window of opportunity and I'm not afraid to use either.
From the end of that thread, here's a player-list of those expressing interest (very, very tentative): Formendacil Boro Loslote Sally BG Hui Soriman That's 7--or 6 and a mod. Bit tight but not QUITE impossible. From the Facebook "who's interested still?" post I made a month ago, everyone who either "liked" it or commented--question marks heaving stress: Legate? Kath? Greenie? Pitch? Lommie? Eomer? Throw five more in and that's eleven: doable. (BTW, here's a much older potential player list from Rikae's CXVI thread: Loslote Legate Boromir88 Blind Guardian Lalaith Pitchwife Sally Nogrod (?) Thinlómien Kath Huinesoron A Little Green) I'm sure if I really dig back, there's a prospective Mod-list somewhere, and I certainly think Rikae should mod if she wants to--but I think it's a better idea to get a game off the ground NOW if people are ready. So if someone (me, as a placeholder) were to Mod a game starting, say: Monday, April 19th, 2021, who wants in?
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I guess I'll say "in" for the 19th April unless you get lots of people who really want to.
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I'd like to give "the Ghost" a try in some form, but I am: A. Thinking of myself as a placeholder name and therefore not too hard about it. B. It'll depend on the numbers. Though... if it is a SMALL game, (say less than 12ish), it might make for a good test run. I'd say I envision something like: Six Players 1 Wolf 1 Gifted (ranger? hunter?) 4 Ordos Ten Players 2 Wolves 1 Cobbler 1 Seer 1 Ghost Sixteen Players 3 Wolves 1 Cobbler 1 Seer 1 Ranger 1 Hunter 1 Ghost Honestly, the breakdown per tier is very much spur-of-the-moment. I am, besides not being wedded to modding, very open for suggestion/negotiation there, but I think it illustrates the different tiers of size and how that might impact the roles. I think a Ghost should be possible even in a smaller game, but it WOULD make that game very much a test of that role.
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Blossom of Dwimordene
Join Date: Oct 2010
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I will not even tempt myself into playing. In the next two months I have a Very Big Exam, then time with family where they deserve my full attention, then the start of a new job. Neither time is good for playing in a WW game. However, I will of course read and goof around and make cobbler apparitions. Also, I am very happy to co-mod, or perhaps even mod, depending on the size. I find that modding is a bit like being the apparition, but also being omnipotent, and therefore not very stressful or taxing. I kinda feel bad though, because I feel that I've modded disproportionately too many times for recent games, having dropped out of many. But if, and only if, no one else wants to mod and Form wants to play, I can take over whatever set up is agreed upon and run with it. If it's done before I go see family, you may even get on-time deadline posts.
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The Werewolf's Companion
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As long as we start before June, I'm in! Very excited to get in one more game before the start of the summer.
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Looks like with the spring in the air, everything is awakening, including the tombs... Simbelmynë. No, wait...
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But I, as usual, cannot rep Form because I've done it too recently (probably last year sometime) and I just had to publically tell him what an uncontrollable fit of laughter I had when I read the above. I picture him saying this with quite a deranged look on his face, staring down a hostage negotiator.
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We do seem to be few. If we press a reluctant Galadriel to mod for us, we have a confirmed ready-to-play list of: Formendacil Huinesoron Greenie Loslote Legate and... I think? Soriman Blind Guardian Sally Eight would be manageable in a "1 Gifted, 1 or 2 Wolves" kind of way and I incline to say "let's do it!" but it is only Wednesday and perhaps we shall lure a few more.
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![]() And as such, I think we need to get consensus on a few points before Monday hits us. The first is roles and numbers. Formy, I think you are missing Boro from your list, he posted in Rikae's thread. Maybe let's confirm that - Boro, BG, and Soriman - you've all posted on the other thread, could you confirm you still want to play? I trust sally will be there, though I would not yet put bets on her being there quite on D1. ![]() With only 9 people, I think 2 baddies is tops. Following "worst case scenario" numbers, 2/9 baddies brings endgame on D3, whereas 3 of them bring it on D2, and that's just too soon. One or two gifteds? If there is only one Gifted, which one? I vote against Hunter, that one just brings the numbers down too much in a single strike for such a small game. Ranger or Seer? Then, what happens to the dead. A Dead Thread is a must. ^.^ But should they have a role in the game. Are they allowed a vote on the living thread? Do they send a Ghost to haunt the living? And what is their objective in doing so, phrased in such a way that being a dead wolf wouldn't be terrible existence? Since the games of last summer, I've been mulling over ways to unite the DT in a common cause which lets everyone actively participate on equal footing. What I came up with is this: the Dead hold a grudge at being killed, and take petty revenge by seeking to make as many people as possible join their ranks - ie their goal is to get the Living Thread to reach endgame. That way, its support is always given to the "losing" side, whichever that may be, regardless of the Dead's former roles. However, I'm not sure how that would integrate with the Ghost in practice - what is the Ghost in practice? - and I think the Ghost should see a test run here. ...So, basically, any thoughts on what are the actual rules of the game? Thoughts on the Ghost and DT responsibilities. And a few minor things that also must be sorted before the start: Deadline preference? I live in GMT-4. Though in the next 2-3 weeks my schedule is flexible, please be kind and don't ask for 4am local time. Preference on tied votes? Many people hate the first-to-reach-tie, some hate the last-to-reach-tie, opinions differ on both or none options. Given that this is a small game, would it make more sense to have neither party lynched? Certainly not both. What do you guys think? That was a much longer post than I intended. But really, I think it's good to figure out what game we're playing before the start date. ![]()
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Posting to confirm my interest.
As you all know I'm new here, I've not played a game like this before either however I'll be happy to learn to try get the numbers up.
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Join Date: Nov 2017
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Which could even just be a general "the Dead get one collective vote" rule, with the proviso that they can only vote for someone who's already had a vote in the game thread. (Purely because I feel like ties aren't all that common, so it would be a bit weak for the Dead.) For the Ghost, I still like Rikae's version (with or without a number-of-posts limit); it's the one that's been most optimised, so to speak. But basically anything that lets the Dead try and affect the Living without being able to do so indiscriminately. hS |
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I also am fine with for example Rikae's version of the ghost, I think it is rather simple way of going about it, and a fun one. Besides, if we "test" this now, we can make any sorts of "fancy" adjustments to it that we like in the future.
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Blossom of Dwimordene
Join Date: Oct 2010
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My question regarding the Ghost of Rikae's set up is that she also had a special role that was active in Death; her Ghost has information to convey. In this smaller and simpler game, what information can the Ghost offer that the living would want? Is he just conveying the general opinion of the Dead, which might be helpful insight but ultimately is still opinion and not fact?
Ooo, thought. What if the Dead during the Day can vote to find out the identity of one living player? That way, they function as a collective Seer, and the Ghost would travel back to convey that info? There may also be limitations on how many times they are allowed to hunt (eg only 2, or only 3, or not in two consecutive Days), to make people budget that power? We're always happy to have new people join, and we were all the new person at one point or other. Welcome to the game! You can read up about the general rules, and let us know if you have questions. If you've ever played Mafia / Werewolf in real life, this is much like it.
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But... what if you reveal something about the previous Day's voting each night? One night it could be 'no wolves received votes', the next 'both wolves voted together', the third 'at least one wolf voted early', the fourth 'the Gifted has voted for a wolf twice so far'. Something like that - the sort of thing people speculate about all through the Day. The Dead would have to decide overNight whether it's a big enough clue to send in the Ghost, and how to convey what random piece of information had been revealed through their communication limits (Tolkien block-quotes with no-one trying to instruct the Ghost, I think Rikae's version was). Quote:
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Blossom of Dwimordene
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But I like your other thoughts. Here's a sketch of the DT's role, up for further feedback and refinement:
Next up: do you want a Seer or a Ranger or both? If it's just a Ranger, perhaps a flexible one (eg can protect someone for 2 Nights, can protect himself)
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Blossom of Dwimordene
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I've set up an Admin Thread with a draft of rules and roles. We can continue planning there, to prevent spamming this thread.
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Anyone fancy another game?
Any aspiring mods? I could be talked into it, if no one else wants to, but I think there were several people who wanted to mod earlier...
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I'm around and game to play--though, this time, I am NOT an aspiring Mod. Though I should be available for Day-ly play, there's a reasonable chance I will have some distractions that prevent me from meeting a hard deadline every 24 hours.
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I would enjoy another game.
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I'm starting a summer internship in June, ping me when this is getting going and I might be able to manage a game, especially after I get a sense for my schedule. For now put me down as a hard maybe.
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I'm always up for a game! Participation would be similar to last time assuming a similar deadline.
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Guardian of the Blind
Join Date: Apr 2010
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I'll play this time!
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
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I would too happily participate in a game. A DL an hour earlier (or later, to completely avoid the tiniest chance of being around and thus solidifying that I won't be around on DL at all) would be an improvement, but then again, even the last game worked out quite well and there is something refreshing about being forced to vote early. It actually makes things simpler, to a degree.
I could also mod if nobody else wanted to, but just like others, I have modded "recently" (meaning, merely several years ago).
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I might be away for the first week of June, but if we start after that I'd love to play! And see if I can make it through Day 1 this time
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Me too, me too.
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Anyways, perhaps we could then aim for sometime after that? The second week of June I have a several-day-long holiday that I do not wish to spend playing Werewolf, but the most important thing is that the majority can agree on some time window. Plus, if there are any more people interested in modding - I think we have several people willing to be the "backup option" (myself included), but perhaps there's been someone eagerly awaiting their turn? We might try also reaching out to Rikae whether they do not want to do the game they planned last year. But if there is anybody else, certainly speak up.
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I'm good to play a game in June. I'll reach out to Rikae to see if she's still available to mod the game she was planning.
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*knock knock* Is anyone home?
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