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The Might · 04-24-2007, 02:29 PM

*gives aspirine for the headache*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-25-2007, 06:08 AM

You won't believe how stupid I felt back then. For illustration, Hirgon was among the first possibilities I checked. I don't know how I could have forgotten Mr.Udalraph, especially when he was riding round Dol Guldur.

A sort of riddlish question: Tell me the name of this one who was surely a fine craftperson, though not as good as Fëanor, but still succeeded at one thing in which Fëanor failed.

Gil-Galad · 04-25-2007, 08:22 AM

Aule perhaps? he created the vessels in which the Sun and the Moon to travel the world, thus he created the light of the world, but Feanors Silmarils failed in its task.

also, i'm pretty sure in the Silmarillion Feanor was placed higher then Aule as a craftsmen

The Might · 04-25-2007, 08:51 AM

I would say Enerdhil
He is the legendary craftsman of Gondolin rumored to have made the first (and possibly only) Elessar
The stone could heal things. Feanor failed at this, as he refused to give Yavanna the Silmarils so that she could heal the trees, and the whole world as well...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-25-2007, 11:28 AM

Good attempts, but you both did one thing which I didn't mean in my riddle: Fëanor refused, from his own free will, not to give the Silmarils to Yavanna. You might consider it as failure, but I meant by it that Fëanor didn't succeed in something even though he wanted to.

The Might · 04-25-2007, 12:48 PM

Aha, now that you mentiont that aspect, I believe I know who you mean, it's good old Gimli.

He managed to get a hair of Galadriel's, which Feanor didn't, although he asked.
And Gimli is also a craftsman, but of course not as good as Feanor.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-25-2007, 02:37 PM

Once again, correct, of course it was Gimli, precisely as you say.

The Might · 04-30-2007, 09:03 AM

Sorry about the time...
Who shares a name with a tree?

Anáwiel · 05-01-2007, 10:15 AM

Celeborn (the tree on Tol Eressea is named so, and the husband of Galadriel bears the same name)

The Might · 05-01-2007, 10:17 AM

Correct

Anáwiel · 05-01-2007, 10:29 AM

So, I guess it is my turn

This one is easy, but I am not that good in trivia games as most of you

One elf (and his son) dwelt often as a guest in the dwarven mansions of Belegost and Nogrod and became skillful as a metalsmith. Who was that?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-03-2007, 06:26 AM

I swear, I wanted to give someone else a chance, but I just can't leave an unanswered thread to rest in peace...

Eöl and Maeglin, you mean?

Anáwiel · 05-03-2007, 10:35 AM

Correct.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-03-2007, 02:45 PM

Fine, nice one it was. So then...

...give me the surnames of at least three characters who - consciously or just indirectly - served the Enemy (so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

(so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).

That bit really confused me!

Thalion
Turambar

hmm neither maeglin or Uldor seems to have a last name. . .neither does Saruman

Ok I have nothing so I am going to give a guess I am almost sertain is wrong, but my third guess will be

Gorlim the Unhappy

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 06:05 AM

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly"

Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask

The Might · 05-04-2007, 06:28 AM

1. Barliman, Butterbur, who forgot about the message he was supposed to send and so indirectly helped the Nazgul track Frodo
2. Goatleaf, Harry and
3. Ferny, Bill who were suspected by Aragorn of doing work for the Nazgul

I also though about Hobbits, but none really helped Sauron
I actually had a more or less strange idea
It might also be that the Horblowers indirectly helped Sauron. Because of his cultivation of pipe-weed, it spread in the Shire and eventually even Saruman decided to purchase some. The squint-eyed Southerner that was on his way to Isengard to bring the pipe-weed was caught by the Nazgul and revealed precious information about The Shire and Baggins.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly"

Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask

They sertainly did serve the enemy indirectly! Well in the sense that they served his purpose.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 06:47 AM

Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy)

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 06:58 AM

hehe thanks for clarifying. . .

Sackville-Baggins (debatable)
Wormtongue (or was he one of the enemies?)
Ferny

The Might · 05-04-2007, 07:02 AM

You should try mentioning that in the beginning...

Ok, so you have two...
I'd add Baggins, Frodo
After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was.

btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 07:05 AM

Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know.
Sackville-Bagginses are debatable, as you said. Of course, we would mean Lotho here. But from what we know about Hobbits, and even from what is said in the Scouring of the Shire, it seems that his intentions were not actually evil. So, furthermore, we are leaving all hobbits out of that.

So, I believe here it is stated at the point I wanted it to appear: we're looking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. We do not include any hobbit in that. I'm waiting for your answers

EDIT: Cross-posted with TM. Frodo is another possibility, at the Sammath Naur point, but we might say, it was not his own will that was guiding him at that moment. He repented after that. I'm looking for some who didn't repent, I'm looking for some who really meant it (I think it was not Frodo's intention to rule Middle-Earth even at that moment), I'm looking for some, who would you really place into the rubric labeled "EVIL".

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know

No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.

And that's what I said earlier. Turambar or Wormtongue is... well... epitheton, or how would you call it. It's the problem of "surname" having seemingly more meanings in English, counting in even another name... I mean just "family name". So no Turambar, no Wormtongue, no Felagund...

The Might · 05-08-2007, 11:50 AM

Ok, so I have Goatleaf and Ferny so far.
And I need one more who did bad things and so helped Sauron.
But I can't find anyone, since all others have no family names, but titles or nicknames.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-09-2007, 03:22 AM

Yes, yes, Goatleaf and Ferny. However, the last one is the biggest trick.

Hint: the answer is in the vicinage.

The Might · 05-09-2007, 09:25 AM

Eureka!
Bill Huggins!
I had almost forgotten that the troll actually had a family name...strange, isn't it?
And he did help Sauron, as he almost managed to kill Bilbo, which would have probably meant the failure of the Quest of Erebor.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-10-2007, 03:30 AM

Of course, poor professor Huggins. Uh... that's not how it was... never mind... so, please take the thread

The Might · 05-10-2007, 06:53 AM

Who owned a red axe?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-10-2007, 06:56 AM

Dáin, he fought with Azog with that one.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-13-2007, 07:25 AM

Okay, I hope you agree with my answer and did not mean any other fellow with red axe whom I don't know...

To hold with the topic, who owned a red shield?

The Might · 05-13-2007, 08:13 AM

Yes, that was correct.
Erkenbrand.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-13-2007, 08:23 AM

Quite obvious

Please continue.

The Might · 05-19-2007, 10:05 AM

Please excuse the delay...
Here is a new one:

Who carried the banner of Rohan initially at the Pelennor Fields?

Gil-Galad · 05-19-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

Please excuse the delay...
Here is a new one:

Who carried the banner of Rohan initially at the Pelennor Fields?

quite sure it was Gamling

The Might · 05-20-2007, 03:22 AM

Gamling wasn't even there...

Aganzir · 05-20-2007, 10:12 AM

As far as I remember it was Gúthlaf.

The Might · 05-20-2007, 12:07 PM

correct

Aganzir · 05-20-2007, 01:36 PM

Who carried the news that started the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-20-2007, 01:37 PM

Náin I believe (I once wrote a cartoon about it

)

EDIT: Baah, take it back. Actually, it was Nár, I checked it now. I knew it was some "Ná..."

04-24-2007, 02:29 PM	#481
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Correct, of course! gives aspirine for the headache __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-25-2007, 06:08 AM	#482
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	You won't believe how stupid I felt back then. For illustration, Hirgon was among the first possibilities I checked. I don't know how I could have forgotten Mr.Udalraph, especially when he was riding round Dol Guldur. A sort of riddlish question: Tell me the name of this one who was surely a fine craftperson, though not as good as Fëanor, but still succeeded at one thing in which Fëanor failed. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-25-2007, 08:22 AM	#483
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Aule perhaps? he created the vessels in which the Sun and the Moon to travel the world, thus he created the light of the world, but Feanors Silmarils failed in its task. also, i'm pretty sure in the Silmarillion Feanor was placed higher then Aule as a craftsmen __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

04-25-2007, 08:51 AM	#484
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I would say Enerdhil He is the legendary craftsman of Gondolin rumored to have made the first (and possibly only) Elessar The stone could heal things. Feanor failed at this, as he refused to give Yavanna the Silmarils so that she could heal the trees, and the whole world as well... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-25-2007, 11:28 AM	#485
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Good attempts, but you both did one thing which I didn't mean in my riddle: Fëanor refused, from his own free will, not to give the Silmarils to Yavanna. You might consider it as failure, but I meant by it that Fëanor didn't succeed in something even though he wanted to. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-25-2007, 12:48 PM	#486
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Aha, now that you mentiont that aspect, I believe I know who you mean, it's good old Gimli. He managed to get a hair of Galadriel's, which Feanor didn't, although he asked. And Gimli is also a craftsman, but of course not as good as Feanor. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-25-2007, 02:37 PM	#487
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Once again, correct, of course it was Gimli, precisely as you say. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-30-2007, 09:03 AM	#488
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Sorry about the time... Who shares a name with a tree? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-01-2007, 10:15 AM	#489
Anáwiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Celeborn (the tree on Tol Eressea is named so, and the husband of Galadriel bears the same name)

05-01-2007, 10:17 AM	#490
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Correct __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-01-2007, 10:29 AM	#491
Anáwiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Great! So, I guess it is my turn This one is easy, but I am not that good in trivia games as most of you One elf (and his son) dwelt often as a guest in the dwarven mansions of Belegost and Nogrod and became skillful as a metalsmith. Who was that?

05-03-2007, 06:26 AM	#492
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I swear, I wanted to give someone else a chance, but I just can't leave an unanswered thread to rest in peace... Eöl and Maeglin, you mean? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-03-2007, 10:35 AM	#493
Anáwiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Correct.

05-03-2007, 02:45 PM	#494
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Fine, nice one it was. So then... ...give me the surnames of at least three characters who - consciously or just indirectly - served the Enemy (so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 06:05 AM	#496
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly" Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used. Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever. If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 06:28 AM	#497
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	1. Barliman, Butterbur, who forgot about the message he was supposed to send and so indirectly helped the Nazgul track Frodo 2. Goatleaf, Harry and 3. Ferny, Bill who were suspected by Aragorn of doing work for the Nazgul I also though about Hobbits, but none really helped Sauron I actually had a more or less strange idea It might also be that the Horblowers indirectly helped Sauron. Because of his cultivation of pipe-weed, it spread in the Shire and eventually even Saruman decided to purchase some. The squint-eyed Southerner that was on his way to Isengard to bring the pipe-weed was caught by the Nazgul and revealed precious information about The Shire and Baggins. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-04-2007, 06:47 AM	#499
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 07:02 AM	#501
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	You should try mentioning that in the beginning... Ok, so you have two... I'd add Baggins, Frodo After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was. btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-04-2007, 07:05 AM	#502
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know. Sackville-Bagginses are debatable, as you said. Of course, we would mean Lotho here. But from what we know about Hobbits, and even from what is said in the Scouring of the Shire, it seems that his intentions were not actually evil. So, furthermore, we are leaving all hobbits out of that. So, I believe here it is stated at the point I wanted it to appear: we're looking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. We do not include any hobbit in that. I'm waiting for your answers EDIT: Cross-posted with TM. Frodo is another possibility, at the Sammath Naur point, but we might say, it was not his own will that was guiding him at that moment. He repented after that. I'm looking for some who didn't repent, I'm looking for some who really meant it (I think it was not Frodo's intention to rule Middle-Earth even at that moment), I'm looking for some, who would you really place into the rubric labeled "EVIL". __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories Last edited by Legate of Amon Lanc; 05-04-2007 at 07:09 AM.

05-08-2007, 11:50 AM	#505
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, so I have Goatleaf and Ferny so far. And I need one more who did bad things and so helped Sauron. But I can't find anyone, since all others have no family names, but titles or nicknames. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-09-2007, 03:22 AM	#506
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, yes, Goatleaf and Ferny. However, the last one is the biggest trick. Hint: the answer is in the vicinage. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-09-2007, 09:25 AM	#507
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Eureka! Bill Huggins! I had almost forgotten that the troll actually had a family name...strange, isn't it? And he did help Sauron, as he almost managed to kill Bilbo, which would have probably meant the failure of the Quest of Erebor. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-10-2007, 03:30 AM	#508
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Of course, poor professor Huggins. Uh... that's not how it was... never mind... so, please take the thread __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-10-2007, 06:53 AM	#509
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Who owned a red axe? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-10-2007, 06:56 AM	#510
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Dáin, he fought with Azog with that one. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-13-2007, 07:25 AM	#511
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay, I hope you agree with my answer and did not mean any other fellow with red axe whom I don't know... To hold with the topic, who owned a red shield? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-13-2007, 08:13 AM	#512
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yes, that was correct. Erkenbrand. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-13-2007, 08:23 AM	#513
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Quite obvious Please continue. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-19-2007, 10:05 AM	#514
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Please excuse the delay... Here is a new one: Who carried the banner of Rohan initially at the Pelennor Fields? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-20-2007, 03:22 AM	#516
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Gamling wasn't even there... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-20-2007, 10:12 AM	#517
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	As far as I remember it was Gúthlaf. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

05-20-2007, 12:07 PM	#518
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	correct __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-20-2007, 01:36 PM	#519
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	I'm too bad at inventing these Who carried the news that started the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

05-20-2007, 01:37 PM	#520
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Náin I believe (I once wrote a cartoon about it ) EDIT: Baah, take it back. Actually, it was Nár, I checked it now. I knew it was some "Ná..." __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories Last edited by Legate of Amon Lanc; 05-20-2007 at 01:44 PM.