TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[the phantom]

I'm extremely tempted to vote Rikae, but I have hardly read anything the past two pages and don't want to do anything drastic now.

Oh, what the heck.

++Rikae

[autume98]

I'm retracting my vote for Hakon.

--Hakon

++Pitchwife

Had a quick chance to go through the posts and at this point Pitchwife looks more suspicous than Hakon. I'll expand on this on Day 2. Just wanted to get this in.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

Okay... so that's the best I've got. I can only assume I lined up the wrong avatars with the wrong posts (did that last game too, I think...), had the wrong person in my head (I, um, am not sure it's safe to make guesses any more without real research... but Pitchwife maybe?), scrolled down and saw the quoted post, caught the X-ed with Rikae bit, did the math, and somehow came out with "Shasta is all wrong."

Not going to say you can't be all wrong, but in this particular case that would appear to have absolutely no grounding in the posts I thought it did.

[the phantom]

Here's what we know-

INNOCENT
Candor Man

POSSIBLY GUILTY
Everyone Else

HOTTIE
Dark Monarch

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Here's what we know-

INNOCENT
Candor Man

POSSIBLY GUILTY
Everyone Else

HOTTIE
Dark Monarch

Nice post dude.

Sorry too late for me to retract my saving skin vote.

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. the Dark Monarch

Volume 1, Issue 7: Thou of awesomeness, we salute you.

"So, Fea is going to die at the end anyway? I'm tempted to vote her." said tp.

"Anyone who votes for Fea will automatically get a vote from me." said morm.

"I would normally agree with you tp." began Rikae. "But with the amount of villains, and number of deaths each night, we should vote someone else to give us another chance at catching a villain today."

"I'm not saying we should all vote for and lynch Fea." protested tp. "I'm saying let's give her a few votes, so she can be a safe fall back if it just so happens the leading vote getter says 'I'm the Hunter'"

Ahh...said most of the villagers. All seeming to agree tp was making the most sense, but at the same time not trusting his motives.

I needed the shelter of Brinn's arms, there you were.
I needed you sally to understand my ups and downs, there you were.
With sweet love and devotion
Deeply touching my emotion
I just want to stop and thank you wilwa
I just want to stop and thank you Dury
How sweet it is to be loved by you.
(Compliments to James Taylor)

"That's it," declared Durelin. " ++the phantom "

"I still say Fea." said Lommy. "She's too beautiful to be kept alive."

"And too smart." added Pitch.

"Plus too clever." chimed in Nerwen.

"Not to mention too scary." shivered Hakon

"Did someone already say too beautiful?" asked Form

Fea, who had been silent the entire time decided to speak up. "Basically you all want to kill me because I'm awesome then?"

"Yes Fea." said Nienna. "Whatever you touch is awesome. We can not deal with all your awesomeness."

The heroes made their first decision. It would be Fea, but as they all closed around her, Fea suddenly dropped dead.

"What happened?" asked alona.

"I think she died because she was so awesome." said Shasta.

"You can die from awesomeness? I didn't know that." Lari sounded impressed.

"Well how many people did we know as awesome as Fea?" asked Mira. But it was a rhetorical question, because all the heroes knew the answer was "no one."

Fea lie dead caused by pure awesomeness. Everyone waited around to see if there was a transformation. There was none. She was an ordo.

~~

"Well, that didn't turn out as well as expected." said tum. "Should we try another?"

The heroes decided they would try their luck at another. But who? The controversial Hakon? The subtetly suspicious Pitch? The bear-mongerers Rikae and tp? The some-reason-presumed-to-be-dangerous Nessa?

"How about Hakon?" said morm.

"It won't do good killing me!" protested Hakon.

"Pitch is kind of suspicious for some reason." said Shasta.

"Yes." agreed Rikae "He sounds reasonable, yet doesn't post too much."

"You're making a HUGE mistake!" screamed Pitch as he entered back with the rest.

"Why is that?" they all asked at the same time.

"I'M YOUR SEER FOR PETE'S SAKE!" Pitch was irate. "YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL LISTENED TO THE PHANTOM."

All the heroes looked around at first. Startled, questioning whether he was bluffing.

"Too late now." said Nienna. "Sorry."

Pitch called his flies to help him escape. They came! They were coming! Get here, Get here my brethren! The flies came in the nick of time to lift Pitch up and out of the crowd looking for blood. He soared higher and higher, this time way above the treetops. He kept climbing higher, but they only kept lifting him up. The flies quickly dropped Pitch, and he fell long, hard, and hit with a mighty splat.

Pitch was dead. The heroes gathered around, and out of his hand roled a magical eye. The eye of Wild-eye. The Heroes seer was dead.

"Told you this would happen." said tp bowing his head.
Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Brinn- Butterfingers (aka The Klutz) breaks everything she touches
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Fea- Docter Girlfriend, can flirt exceptionally for unusually long intervals
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Hakon- Leaf man, can grow leaves on his limbs whenever he wants
Inziladun- Docter Electron, can predict the precise moment a light bulb will blow
Lari- Hover girl, can hover 3 feet off the ground
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Pitchwife- Studebaker Hawk, flies by covering legs in syrup which attracts a swarm of flies
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows
the phantom- Candor Man not to be confused with Condor Man, the truth is brutal

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer

It is now NIGHT 2. Villains talk and send in a kill. Bear send in a kill. Hunter and Ranger choices. BFFs you know what to do.

Edit: the narrations contain no hints to people's roles. I stuck with what the general idea of the heroes were towards something, or a person. If you think I've misrepresented you, you can PM me. Thanks

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. the Dark Monarch

Volume 1, Issue 8: Double Trouble

Hakon was still up in his room, thinking about the previous day. He couldn't believe they had lynched their seer. How were they going to win now? It would take a miracle.

He continued to pace around the room, when not even deciding to use the door, but instead going right through the wall was a giant beast. It was the shapeshifter, it had come for Hakon. Tonight the bear looked particularly annoyed, or at least more annoyed than normal for a killer bear. It didn't even want to waste time with politeness.

Hakon began sprouting leaves out of his arms, he was trying to wrap himself into a protective shield of leaves. It was no use, he did not stand a chance against the powerful bear's razor-sharp claws. With a quick three slashes the bear had felled the Leaf Man.

~~

Nearly at the same time, but in a room on the other side of the B&B, there was another disturbance coming from Lari's room.

*Knock*Knock* "Let us in, Let us in, or I shall blow this door down." sang a voice.

Lari had been asleep, but as soon as her door blew off the hinges from a gust of wind, she woke up. She barely had time to react, before a spout of fire came shooting at her, but she was quick and threw up a one of her pillows, which caught fire in mid-air and disintegrated immediately.

"Get her!" shouted their leader.

Lari could only hover 3 feet above the ground, but she was fast and could hover quite well. She was almost out her door, when Pain jumped up and snatched her ankle. She tried to break Pain's grip, but the teeth sank in and she doubted she would be able to carry Pain's weight. So, Lari took her free leg and kicked Pain right in the rib cage. Pain yelped and released the grip.

She dodged another shot of fire that went a mere inches above her head. Firefly stood smiling at the door. Lari's only escape. She turned back to see Gust helping Pain off the ground and yelling "Get up you dog!"

"There's no way out now." laughed Firefly

"Yes there is" said Lari hovering exactly three feet above the ground. "Through you."

Lari bull-rushed Firefly, who was not quick enough, and Firefly lay on the flat of her back. But a powerful wind had struck Lari in the back, and she hit straight into the wall. She had been knocked out.

"Finish her, Pain." said Gust.

"With pleasure."

~~

When the Heroes awoke for Day 2 and two more of them were missing. Lari and Hakon.

They first went to Lari's room and saw laying outside Lari lying on the ground. She had bite-marks around her throat and it looked like her neck had been broken.

"Who do you think did it?" asked tum.

No could seem to answer. "How could anyone not hear this last night?" asked Nerwen. "Look at this mess. It was as if a tornado came through here."

"We still need to find Hakon too." said sally.

But when they went to check Hakon's room. He was not there. Where could he be? There was a trail of leaves that led out of Hakon's room and downstairs. Everyone followed the trail, and it ended at the fireplace downstairs.

Attached to the fireplace was a note. Inziladun read it out loud.

I was hoping for someone a little more tasty. I don't find leaves to be all that appetizing, but I really like smores. So I did the next best thing. Hakon might have just been an ordinary, but he sure made great firewood. Nothing like gooey smores roasted over an open-Hakon.

With love,
Your Shape-shifter

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Brinn- Butterfingers (aka The Klutz) breaks everything she touches
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Inziladun- Docter Electron, can predict the precise moment a light bulb will blow
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows
the phantom- Candor Man not to be confused with Condor Man, the truth is brutal

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo

It is now DAY 2. Everyone should know what to do.

[satansaloser2005]

So....the bear killed Hakon (the person who was accused by a few of being the bear) and the wolves killed Lari.


The world is wrong.


Also, Pitchie. What?!

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nothing like gooey smores roasted over an open-Hakon.

That made me LOL.

Anyway, I can't say I'm too thrilled about Lari being killed so early, especially since she was just an ordo...And with Hakon gone too we're down two ordos... I shall be back shortly with a list/analysis of Lari's posts from yesterDay.

Oh, and before you feel the need to analyze that first sentence of mine about Lari, it's only because we modded the last game and I knew she was looking forward to playing again. Nothing more sinister than that.

[Nienna]

Eek. Day two and we are down 3 ordos and a seer.


I promised Fea I would make a word cloud for her awesomeness so here it is:

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, Pitchie. What?!

Totally forgot about that! *facepalm* Read that earlier today and then got distracted. I can't believe we lynched our Seer Day 1. *shakes head* He got a dream Night 1 thought right? Maybe I'll go through and look for hints about that before I analyze Hakon/Lari.

EDIT: Nienna, I want one! After I die, of course, but I want one!

[Rikae]

Well, I have my suspicions someone is going to have a field day with my epic fail yesterDay, but I'll say it off the bat: Pitchwife looked like a wolf to me, probably because he was nervous, probably because he was gifted. Actually, he was gifted in both games he's played, and I was wondering in the back of my head whether he was just a cautious/jumpy type of player who I would always suspect - but I guess the giftedness explains it.

Actually, though, right after the narration went up I was kicking myself for two reasons - getting the seer lynched (I blame myself, I was the first to go after him - not that the voting shouldn't be analyzed, of course), but because phantom once more made me look like a fool - this time by saying things, close to the deadline, that suggest he had Pitchwife figured for a likely gifted (I mean the bit about the flow going against him when he couldn't return, etc.)
Then it occurred to me - if he thought he was gifted, why didn't he save him when he could? Why make comments, and a throwaway vote, seemingly designed to make himself look good without saving Pitch? And who, after all, would be most likely to consider a nervous player gifted rather than wolfish?
Now, phantom can just say he was being considerate, and he can say he had no idea about Pitch's role, and maybe it would be true, too. But I wouldn't expect phantom to make any obvious blunders anyway - if we catch an evil phantom, it will be on the subtleties. Anyway, that's what I thought of his behavior - go back and look yourselves, make up your own minds. I also felt as if he were trying to frame me, but that may be purely subjective... I thought, though, it couldn't hurt to throw these thoughts out there.

Whew... that said... I'd like to analyze the voting and the kills a bit... right now my hand hurts and typing is torture, though, so it'll be a little while.

EDIT: X'd with everybody.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Anyway, I can't say I'm too thrilled about Lari being killed so early, especially since she was just an ordo..

Disappointed she wasn't gifted, are you?

[autume98]

I'm sure you are all looking forward to hear my reason on why I voted for Pitchwife at the last minute.
Plenty of people had mentioned that they didn't see Hakon as a baddie which it turns out they were correct. At first I wasn't convinced, however over time I ended up having some doubts about my vote. I wasn't as convinced as I once was that Hakon was a baddie. Then this happens:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Pitchwife is really starting to look jumpy, while explaining that he knows he looks jumpy...heh. Methinks the laddie doth protest too much.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Ah, Pitchwife. I didn't think you voteworthy before, though your latching onto Alon for no real reason made me a bit uneasy. Now you've retracted just to appear less suspicious? *sigh*

Originally Posted by Shasta

Noteworthy: [b]Pitchwife] seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

I could continue quoting what was being said, but the bottom line is he looked suspicious. So I decided to let Hakon live another day and in the process ended up killing our village's Seer. Hindsight is nice and knowing what I know now, I would've left my vote. Unfortunately that's not the way it works.

Just to be clear on my lack of posts, I was at work where the only connection I have to this site is through my SmartPhone. I'm sure I'll be able to figure some way to work this out for the future. Then of course I was busy that night as I had mentioned in the admin thread. Apparently it wasn't busy enough though 'cause I got home too soon and switched my vote!

Edit: x-ed with everybody

[Rikae]

The above should include a:

EDIT: x'd with autume... my post above, of course

[mormegil]

*claps*

Bravo village, you managed to lynch the seer. I found him slightly suspicious but not even to vote for him even if I could. I wouldn't have voted for him because he did look slightly suspicious, if you follow me. Often times the gifteds seem suspicious because liked the wolves they are acting different or more guarded in what they say. Bah, I'm glad to know that the bear thought Hakon was a wolf. We can assume the bear found him suspicious too and therefore killed him. However, it doesn't fully help us but it could. Obviously it could be somebody that stated their suspicion of Hakon and might have voted for him. It could be that they said nothing all together. Not very helpful, I know.

I know it will be brought up sooner or later but Autume's retract and vote looks somewhat odd. Now it would be evven worse for her (assuming Autume is female) had the wolves killed Hakon but they did not. Autume could be the bear but based not likely a wolf. I haven't elucidated what I mean very well. Let me break it down a bit.

A wolf Autume could have changed her vote from Hakon to Pitchwife and then the cover-up would be to kill Hakon at night, it is what I would do, or might do in such a situation, it would have been damage control from my point of view. Anyway, since the bear killed Hakon it's obvious he/she thought him to be a wolf. Now Autume may have taken this bold strategy but I'm not familiar with her and most people don't have the fortitude to try such a risky strategy. I am willing to assume that Autume is an ordo that was influenced by group think in the lynching of Hakon.

[mormegil]

After reading what Rikae said about tummy, I am more convinced that we should simply lynch them both and be done with the confusion they will inevitably cause. Didn't I tell you to lynch phantom on day1 and be done with the endless debate the inevitably surrounds him. Rikae tends to be suspected too all the time.

[Nienna]

I'm just wondering, Morm, why you think that the bear would only try and kill wolves?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by mormegil

(assuming Autume is female)

You have assumed correctly.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Disappointed she wasn't gifted, are you?

Oh yes, because if I were evil I would make a slip that obvious. Give me some credit here, Rikae.

I meant because she wasn't a wolf or the bear.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I'm just wondering, Morm, why you think that the bear would only try and kill wolves?

I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day. Thus, it's in the Bear's best interests to pick off the wolves first. I think that's what someone said yesterDay, at least.

Okay, back to analyzing.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Stick

it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day. Thus, it's in the Bear's best interests to pick off the wolves first

Mmmk. That definitely makes more sense now. Thanks.

[Macalaure]

We are so doomed now.

While I stayed away from Pitchwife yesterDay, too, it was phantom who was defending him, and in a way that looks like he guessed that Pitch was gifted. At the same time, as Rikae mentioned, he didn't do the obvious, which would be to urge Hakon's lynching to save Pitch. I'd really like to learn more about tp's thoughts yesterDay.

Lari killed by wolves: classic kill - she looked innocent to most and probably wasn't after any wolf in any serious way (note to self: check who might look better because of this).

Hakon killed by shapeshifter: interesting. Even though near the deadline most people seemed to think he was innocent, and this notion would probably be the common understanding toDay, Hakon caused plenty of confusion and smoke, and promised to continue to do so. Usually, a baddie wouldn't kill such a villager, unless Hakon was after something (if he was, then we have a really nervous and unexperienced bear - nobody was listening to Hakon anyway, just let him live and eventually change his mind), or, as morm said, the bear thought he was a wolf (note to self: who, judging from the posts, could actually have gotten that idea, because I doubt this scenario) or we have a bear who simply enjoys being unpredictable (note to self: check who could be candidates for that).

(another note to self: don't forget to analyse voting)

Originally Posted by Mira

I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day.

The chances are almost exactly equal. I don't think this direction gets us anywhere.

[Rikae]

Bear would not necessarily go after wolves. Silly to treat it as certainty that bear suspected Hakon as wolf. Artificially cuts down suspect list.

Mira, I was joking.

Agree with morm on lynching phantom. No seer to figure out his role. Lynching me would be a waste - you'll want me around later.

[Inziladun]

Pitchwife, I don't think, would have been lynched yesterDay were it not for his admittedly suspicious vote retraction, that by his own words he did so as to avoid suspicion. I was seriously thinking of retracting myself and voting for him, but for some reason I couldn't do it. I feel confident at least one baddie is to be found among the Pitchwife voters, and probably the Hakon bandwagon too.

Here's how voting went on Day 1.

Rikae-voted herself for reasons unknown. (Rikae 1)

Formendacil- voted Mira for being annoying. (Mira 1)

Mormegil- voted Hakon for his pregame tp banter, I believe. He then retracted and locked it in again for Hakon, when the latter asked him to retract. (Hakon 1)

Alon- voted Hakon 'for the same reasons as Morm' did; said Hakon might be a Cobbler. (Hakon 2)

Sally- voted Hakon, initially giving no reason. She then retracted and locked it in again for him, saying she would 'think clearer' when he was gone.
(Hakon 3)

Brinn- voted Morm, apparently beacuse she really wanted to vote the soon to be modfired Fea, but thought we'd hold it against her.
(Morm 1)

Tum- voted Hakon w/ no explanation. (Hakon 4)

Rikae- retracted her self-vote. (Rikae 0)

Form- retracted his vote for Mira (Mira 0)

Shasta- first vote for Pitchwife, reason was he didn't like the latter's first post. Shasta also said he had 'no idea' when the DL was.
(Pitchwife 1)

Mac-voted Alon for 'no substance' and fueling the flames on Hakon. (Alon 1)

Durelin-voted Nessa because her posts seemed 'forced' and 'weird'.
(Nessa 1)

Pitchwife-voted Alon for same reasons as Mac. (Alon 2)

Me- I voted for Rikae because I saw her flip-flopping about the Fea-voting idea, and her insistence on using the surveys. She now claims that was a deliberate trap to snare baddies. (Rikae 1)

Pitchwife-retracted vote for Alon and voted Sally for reasons stated above. (Sally 1)

Rikae-voted Pitchwife on a 'gut feeling'. (Pitchwife 2)

Nessa-voted for Rikae because of her 'jumping down everyone's throats'. Rikae then threatened to come after her toDay. (Rikae 2)

Nienna-voted Pitchwife because of the shifty-looking retraction.
(Pitchwife 3)

Form-voted Nessa because he 'would rather be wrong about Rikae than wrong about Pitchwife'. (Nessa 2)

Lari-voted for Me on a 'feeling'. (Me 1)

Hakon-voted Pitchwife to save himself. (Pitchwife 4)

Mac-retracted vote for Alon, then voted me on a 'gut feeling' (those 'gut feelings' seemed to have been catching). (Me 2)

phantom-voted Rikae for no reason given. (Rikae 3)

tum-retracted for Hakon and voted for Pitchwife, sealing the fate of our Seer.

x/d with many

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Bear would not necessarily go after wolves. Silly to treat it as certainty that bear suspected Hakon as wolf. Artificially cuts down suspect list.

Right, make no assumptions and don't narrow lists down artificially. Sorry the only other way to narrow down the list is to look at who is alive from one day to the next. Take my thoughts or not I don't really care but I will state what I am thinking, it may be useful to some. I, unlike you it would seem, need to narrow the list down to a mangegable size and think of most likely scenarios given teh evidence we have up to this point. Did not Aragorn and the hunters do the same with the puzzle of Merry and Pippin, they were fairly close but not 100%.

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big.

At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.

[Mirandir]

#124
Says has to be off to work, but says phantom's proposal to the Bear to side with the village against the wolves might work for a while, but not forever.

#230
Back and reading.

#291
Doesn't suspect Hakon.
Thinks Mac is reasonable.
Feels morm overreacted with vote for Hakon.
Finds Nerwen amusing but difficult to read.
Says Rikae is talking sense, but prolonging discussion she herself claimed was useless.

#313
Thinks Hakon-waggon is suspicion, ponders one wolf being among voters.
Liked phantom's idea of lynching Fea to avoid killing a gifted. Wonders how Fea-vote would leave less of a trail than a no-vote.

#325
Answers own question - no-votes need to be explained the next day, Fea-voters can say they did it because phantom suggested it.
Responds to Rikae - doesn't think she is the bear, suggests might be a wolf that doesn't want the bear turning on the wolves or an innocent who disagrees with phantom. Probably the latter.

#333
List! In alphabetical order!
Brinn - most of what she said sounds good
Inzil - same as Brinn, has good point about body count
morm - still doesn't like his vote for Hakon, but other than that makes good points
Rikae - "better after end of bear discussion"
the phantom - "makes controversial suggestions and backs them up, I like that. I can understand why some people would find his ideas suspicious, but at least he's been starting discussions and given us something to chew - which, I suspect, was his purpose making those suggestions in the first place."

#339
List! Continued!
alona - nothing conclusive, hiding behind morm
autumne - little to go on
Form - nothing to add to Lari's points
Mira - absent since the morning
Nessa - nothing conclusive, but made effort early on
sally - looked good until locked in vote for Hakon
Shasta - needs to come back

Responds to Rikae's comment about people making sense being evil and offers to stop making sense.

#345
Response to Rikae's questions (feelings on phantom and newbies):
phantom - essentially go with it and hope for the best
Hakon - no strong feelings
alona and autumne - also no strong feelings
Nessa - nothing strong, but has most cunning of the four

Says doesn't fear Rikae.

#356
Responds to Hakon's question about Nessa's cunning

#393
Ponders Hakon-waggon voters but doesn't draw any conclusions

#404
Agrees with Form to keep morm, Rikae, and tp around a while longer. Suspects morm and sally somewhat but doesn't have enough to go on. Irked by Rikae's suspicion him. Left with alona and autumne but doesn't want to vote either.

#416
Votes alona, but autumne is a close second

#425
Retracts vote for alona and votes for sally

~~~~~

The conclusion that I have drawn is that he probably dreamed of either the phantom or Hakon, in that order. I would think that his second dream would be of morm. His interactions with Rikae could stand to be looked at closer, since there was a good deal of them, but that could just be because Rikae found him suspicious and he was defending himself.

EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was seriously thinking of retracting myself and voting for him, but for some reason I couldn't do it. I feel confident at least one baddie is to be found among the Pitchwife voters, and probably the Hakon bandwagon too.

I'm not saying that I don't think so, but why are you so confident about finding a wolf in Pitch's waggon? That statement comes from nowhere, and considering that you admit you might've voted Pitch, too, is a rather interesting leap.

morm, who other than autume and Rikae is in your narrowed-down list and why?

[Rikae]

Inzil, a few things:

1) you seem to contradict yourself in your intro. If you really almost voted Pitchwife yourself and think he was suspicious, why do you assume there was wolvery among his voters? I mean, statistically, there's a good chance there was, but that assumption just doesn't follow.

- I don't "now" claim that it was a trap - I claimed it right after your vote, and the hint that it was is plain for all to see in the posts advocating Fea-voting. Your summery is misleading, and even more so:

3) when you claim that I voted Pitchwife on a "gut feeling" when I had made earlier posts arguing against him - yes, with points - and was, in fact, the first to do so. A gut feeling was what made me choose Pitchwife over other possible suspects, but I certainly had reasons, and you try to paint it as though I didn't.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mira, I was joking.

So I totally missed that post the first time around when you made the original statement and though the you added later was for another post and...yeah. I need to read more carefully.

[Macalaure]

Mira just did something she shouldn't have done.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big. .

I really would not like to spell out why he wouldn't necessarily choose to hunt wolves, since, as phantom points out, it's better if he does, but:
if there is only one wolf left alive and we lynch it, the bear is on his own in picking us off one by one - not necessarily desirable early on. Maybe it's not ideal bear strategy, but my way of thinking worked for me when I was a bear (yeah, and now someone will accuse me of giving tips to the bear, won't they? A fine corner you backed me into, morm).

Originally Posted by morm

At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.

Just don't shoot me. They say it is a capital offense.

[mormegil]

Mac, the only other one who is pinging the radar is Sally. Yesterday and today she seems confident, it's not the right word but almost smug. Confidence isn't gained by being ordo or gifted.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Mira just did something she shouldn't have done.

And what would that be, pray tell, oh mighty Bubbles?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm not saying that I don't think so, but why are you so confident about finding a wolf in Pitch's waggon? That statement comes from nowhere, and considering that you admit you might've voted Pitch, too, is a rather interesting leap.

So considering voting someone is the same as actually doing it?
To expound, Nienna's vote at least looked fairly innocent. The ones who look bad to me are Shasta, who started the push against Pitchwife for what looked to be a flimsy reason, Rikae, who picked it up and ran with it before Pitchwife fumbled his vote, and tum, who despite her explantion, I'll have to examine more closely.

[mormegil]

Rikae, think about it for the strategy to not work the bear would need to be incredibly successful. Hunting wolves at night wouldn't be easy so logically he would start as early as possible.

Maybe it's not ideal bear strategy, but my way of thinking worked for me when I was a bear (yeah, and now someone will accuse me of giving tips to the bear, won't they? A fine corner you backed me into, morm).

What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.

[mormegil]

Good night for the time being.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Mira

And what would that be, pray tell, oh mighty Bubbles?

Enemy is reading, too. :x

Originally Posted by Inzil

So considering voting someone is the same as actually doing it?

Of course not, but since you considered it, you obviously thought that the reasons his voters had were mostly valid, so why should they, from your perspective, be evil?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Inzil1) you seem to contradict yourself in your intro. If you really almost voted Pitchwife yourself and think he was suspicious, why do you assume there was wolvery among his voters? I mean, statistically, there's a good chance there was, but that assumption just doesn't follow..

See above.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't "now" claim that it was a trap - I claimed it right after your vote, and the hint that it was is plain for all to see in the posts advocating Fea-voting. Your summery is misleading, and even more so:
.

Aren't you nit-picking a bit? 'Now claims' meant after I voted for you. Was it that much of a reach to understand?

Originally Posted by Rikae

3) when you claim that I voted Pitchwife on a "gut feeling" when I had made earlier posts arguing against him - yes, with points - and was, in fact, the first to do so. A gut feeling was what made me choose Pitchwife over other possible suspects, but I certainly had reasons, and you try to paint it as though I didn't.

I don't recall you voicing serious suspicions of Pitchwife before [B]Shasta[/B ] voted for him, beyond saying he was 'uncontroversial' and that made you uneasy.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by mormegil

What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.

You asked me a question I could not honestly answer without doing something phantom called me suspicious for yesterDay.
Victim role, well, I'll be totally honest - I get the impression I'm being set up. Framed. In fact, I'm so irritated I'd better not post for a while.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Of course not, but since you considered it, you obviously thought that the reasons his voters had were mostly valid, so why should they, from your perspective, be evil?

MY consideration of voting for him was based entirely on his vote retraction and the reason for it he gave. Those who voted for him before that I find suspicious, in that I saw nothing to merit a vote for him at that time. Obviously tum should also be scrutinized for being the deciding factor.