Werewolf XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Noggy

I can't see any special suspiciousness in the fact that in the last moments of the Day people need to consider their votes also from the viewpoint of who can actually be lynched.

I think it's suspicious if it happens early on.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I would be quite ready to vote him out just as a matter of principle. But I'm not sure that we can afford that as it will be somewhat totally random vote and there are still enough innocents to make the probabilities pretty bad for such a check. Here I disagree with tgwbs again and think he's up to no good...

Why? Gil has as much chance as any of us of being a wolf. As I said, I think at least two of the wolves are hiding among the quiet.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, my suspicions concerning Lal were based largely on relatively frequent posting without saying much and seemingly safe voting decisions (with the exception of that Brinniel vote, which was cast in the general flurry of confusion). My review of her posts has not changed that impression.

She has now added a bit more substance, and I find myself disagreeing with Nogrod's assessment.

She has explained her voting tactics, by reference to preferring to vote to save than to vote to lynch. I understand the point, but it does seem to me that this is more likely to be the adopted strategy of a Faithful than an innocent. I know Lalaith to be an astute player and I believe that, when innocent, her “hunches” over who might be guilty are often better than she is now claiming credit for.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

My uneasiness about him, I've realised, is that I get a constant feeling from his posts that he's trying to stitch people up rather than genuinely analyse to discover the truth, as a smart innocent should.

I could say the same about you with this comment, and some of your others in that post about me. If you think that analysing what people have said and how they have voted, and outlining my consequential thoughts, is “stitching up”, then you will no doubt continue to “feel uneasy” about me, as that is what I intend to continue doing.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

There was the business of suspecting people who had not voted for Roa, and then suddenly suspecting people who did, even more.

Did you deliberately overlook my explanation of this point? Yes, I do suspect those who did not vote for Roa, as I do not think it in the village’s interests to have done so. But I find it inconceivable that there was not at least one Faithful among the Roa voters.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And then his top suspects always seem to be innocents.

This is a poor point indeed. Given that we have not yet caught a Faithful, most of the village’s top suspects in previous Days have been innocents. I had thought better of you than to make such a point, even as a Faithful, Lal.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Do you really think I would be such a crass Faithful as that?

I don’t think you a crass Faithful at all. I think you a very tricksy one. But I do not discount the possibility that tricksy Faithfuls will have defended each other, either in a genuine attempt to draw away suspicion, or as a “double bluff”.

Thankfully, you have made my mind up for me.

++LALAITH

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Kitanna - I don't understand your analysis of Mith. You think she voted to save an innocent rune, yet you find her more suspicious than Lommy and Lalaith?

Here's the thing I think an innocent Mith and a faithful Mith are just as likely to try to save innocent Rune. Also I feel slightly more confident in Mith working alone, than Lommy and Lalaith working together. But I've been looking back on Mith from other days and I'm starting to alleviate some of my suspicions of her.
I have to vote soon and I have four people I'd like to vote for, but no idea which one I'll actually vote for.

[Mithalwen]

well I have suspected from the beginning so unless something drastic happens... and to minimise another last minute muddle

++LALAITH

[Gil-Galad]

Just want to add, if i get killed off by the faithfuls, i would look at TGWBs mainly because in his last statement:

Why? Gil has as much chance as any of us of being a wolf. As I said, I think at least two of the wolves are hiding among the quiet.

trying to shift it to somebody else? it is a good tactic to bring somebody else up that has not been pre-determined as where their loyalties lie, but my vote still stands on you because this is trying to get the spotlight off of you.

[Lalaith]

Originally Posted by Lalaith
And then his top suspects always seem to be innocents.

This is a poor point indeed. Given that we have not yet caught a Faithful, most of the village’s top suspects in previous Days have been innocents. I had thought better of you than to make such a point, even as a Faithful, Lal.

Ah, but none of my suspects have been tried at the lynch yet. Your top suspects on the other hand, often do end up lynched. That is what makes you so dashed dangerous, Saucie.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Here's the thing I think an innocent Mith and a faithful Mith are just as likely to try to save innocent Rune. Also I feel slightly more confident in Mith working alone, than Lommy and Lalaith working together. But I've been looking back on Mith from other days and I'm starting to alleviate some of my suspicions of her.
.

Well I am glad of that but I don't see why. I wanted to lynch Lalaith as I have done more or less since the start. When that seemed impossible, I chose to make my vote count and vote for someone who seemed a bit suspicious than for someon who seemed unsuspicious. I said that at the time.

[Kitanna]

I have skimmed as much as I could. And I remain lost. I hesitate to vote for Lommy and Mith today. I'd like to get a better look at them before actually voting for them. I'm not sure where to go with the other two. I could go with my original suspect of the day, Hookbill, or I could just jump on Lalaith like others have already done.
I don't find one more suspicious than the other.

++ Lalaith

I'm going to listen to my gut. I can hold off on Hookbill for a day.

Edit: cross-posted with Lalaith, Mith, and Gil

[Kath]

I'm sorry guys but I have literally 10 minutes to post toDay. House-hunting has kept me very occupied and I'm off to look at another one at half past so as you can see, I'm in something of a rush.

I'm not entirely sure where this sudden attack on Lalaith has come from. There was that argument between her and Sauce that had the both of them accusing the other of doing the same thing. I actually wonder if this is a wolf on wolf ploy. The wolves still have full ranks, if Sauce and Lalaith are both wolves a Sauce-led bandwaggon on Lalaith might, in future Days, save him from the noose.

Before her last post I was finding Kitanna pretty innocent looking, but when deciding who to vote for (Lalaith or Hookbill) she first says she doesn't suspect one more than the other but then says she will go with her gut and vote Lalaith. Seems a bit contradictory to me.

The strange thing is, the more Nogrod rails against people the more I think them innocent. In fact if Noggie wasn't a known innocent it would be him I would want to lynch! He reminds me far too much of me as a wolf, picking out little comments and making a huge deal out of them.

However, to some extent that same logic applies to TGWBS. He has a presence here and has certainly looked helpful with his analyses and constant maths, but the latter does not really offer information and we know the former can be mislreading.

Sauce is worrying me a little, he's twisting words. I can't see that Durelin really defended him at all, indeed she specifically said that she wasn't. She was arguing with Noggie but then, right now, who doesn't want to?

Argh, that's it, time's up.

++SAUCE

I'm especially loathe to go with any of my suspicions from yesterDay since two of them ended up being innocent, and right now from what I've read he looks the most suspicious to me.

[Lalaith]

Oh, yes, I meant to highlight one of the things that worried me about Kath's post 376.

This:

TGWBS - I'm barely going to comment. Right now I find him unbelievably suspicious but I strongly suspect that that is due to a large difference in playing style and old history. So I'm going to ignore him until I can look at him with fresh eyes.

Followed by this:

No idea yet:
Lalaith
TGWBS

I may have misconstrued the first comment (the bolding is mine) - Kath, could you elucidate?

[Mithalwen]

I am still not convinced that Sauce is innocent .... I think they both could be wolves .... we can only lynch one at a time.......

[Kath]

Ooh just in time there Lalaith.

So I'm going to ignore him until I can look at him with fresh eyes.

Is the reason he was in the no idea list. I decided not to pass any judgement on him yesterDay.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ah, but none of my suspects have been tried at the lynch yet.

So you didn't suspect Brinniel when you voted for her then?

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Your top suspects on the other hand, often do end up lynched. That is what makes you so dashed dangerous, Saucie.

Actually, only one of those whom I have voted for was lynched. And that was the Cobbler. My other main suspects who have turned out innocent were killed by the Faithfuls. And I am far from being the only one whose suspects have turned out innocent. Which doesn't surprise me at all. It's pretty standard.

Here's a list of those who have cast a final vote for known innocents:

Manwe 1
Lommy 2
SpM 2
TGWBS 2
Kitanna 1
Durelin 2
Kath 1
Lalaith 1
Legate 1
Mithalwen 1
Nogrod 1

And here's a list of those who have cast a final vote for a know innocent who was lynched:

Lommy 1
TGWBS 1
Kitanna 1
Durelin 1
Lalaith 1
Legate 1
Mithalwen 1

So, I am not sure what your point is here.

Actually, it occurs to me that those who have largely managed to avoid voting for those who have turned out innocent may well be the one's to watch. For now, my vote stands, but I am going to look into that.

[Lalaith]

Brinniel was not one of my top suspects, no. YOu can check my suspect list of yesterday to confirm this. As I have explained, both at the time, and subsequently, she was more suspicious to me than Rune who I felt was innocent and wanted to save.
You on the other hand have three times categorically stated that you were "sure" that innocents were Faithfuls. First with Rikae and Noggie, then with Rune and Brinniel and now - as everyone will know if you succeed in getting me lynched - with me.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Brinniel was not one of my top suspects, no.

I know. I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ah, but none of my suspects have been tried at the lynch yet.

You expressed suspicion of her. You voted for her on that basis, even though she was not one of your top suspects. And she was lynched.

You on the other hand have three times categorically stated that you were "sure" that innocents were Faithfuls. First with Rikae and Noggie, then with Rune and Brinniel ...

I never said that I was "sure" that they were Faithfuls. I said that they were uppermost in my suspicions. Of them, I felt most strongly about Rune.

I am, however, becoming more convinced about you with every post.

[Lalaith]

Pants on fire, Saucie:

I am fairly sure that one of these two is a Faithful

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes, I am aware that I said that. It's hardly the same as "categorically" stating that I was "sure" they were Faithfuls.

Brinniel's subsequent contributions lessened my suspicions of her. Hence my switch to Rune, who looked the more suspicious to me.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have been considering further my lists of votes for known innocents. I remain wary of those who have managed to avoid doing so, namely Hookbill and Gil-Galad (although Gil's only non-"no vote" before toDay was for me). I'm going to bear it in mind, although I am still not sure whether Manwe is still with us. If not, it will be clear whether Hookbill has been voting for an innocent or a Faithful toMorrow.

I'm not sure if there's much more to read from those lists. Everyone else seems to have been rather consistent in voting for know innocents.

[Lalaith]

Pshaw. Quibbling with semantics.

Anyway, this squabble feels like a distraction to me.

I am not given to categoric statements of guilt but I am very suspicious of Saucepanman, guy and Durelin, and I will vote for one of them depending on where the votes are going.
This may sound suspiciously self-serving - but I don't want to die. If the numbers were less dangerous, it might be beneficial for the village if I were lynched - the revelation of my innocence would usefully implicate a lot of people. (Eg If there's any wolf-on-wolf voting going on right now, I would guess it might be Kath on Saucie)
But given that the numbers are against us innocents, we really need to get a wolf today.

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

What's going on? Where did this Lalaith bandwaggon come from? Well, from SPaM I see...

I don't hold it impossible that you're right about it Saucie, but I wouldn't put it past you to finally make a Faithful-on-Faithful either. But then again you can't be blamed about others jumping on your train...

This is somewhat fishy indeed. Mith monomaniacally being after Lalaith from Day1 is quite weird as well. Who could do that but a Faithful who wishes to clear her footsteps?

I'm still against voting for Gil because he's a shot in the dark and this is one of the last Days we innocents have something like a clear margin to turn the vote right. Next Day, if we get it wrong now - it's only 7/4 and the Faithfuls will be twisting everything much more successfully.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I've had a quick look over some of the Brinniel voters and have had an interesting thought...

Legate's game play has suddenly struck me as... unnerving. He seemed at first to be wading into arguments and acting almost as a mediator or neutral party which subconsciously put him in my trust pile. This, it seems to me, may well be a trick. Legate seems very calculated but some things in his posts don't seem right to me as he always seems to be acting the third party unless directly invited to defend himself or accuse someone.
Although, he seems to be retaining his usual posting style, which can be expected, but this too could be a front and he could be triking us into thinking he's normal when he's not. But then he could be normal and he is acting normal and everything I've just said is rubbish. Or it could be... erm... that... I've lost myself, sorry.

My suspicions remain of Manwe but less at the moment. He's made some good points recently but still remains in my 'suspect list'. The Saucepan Man, however has moved up for reasons not comprehensible. I have to go with a hunch at the moment as I cannot see anything specific in his posts to suggest wolfship. I'll keep my eyes open and have a think...

[Mithalwen]

Oh for godness sake ... either I my vote is from nowhere and I am bandwaggoning or I am monomaniac... I can't be both ..though I would say neither.. I have suspected Lalaith since Day one and have had no reason to doubt that suspicion.

[Nogrod]

Now for the reasaons why I thought Lalaith made good points.

First of all she shared my initial suspicions and that always feels nice.

But I must say I'm aware that she might have done that deliberately to get me defend her position. That is possible.

But also Spm's defence was a bit fishy. Like him denying the ratio of the suspects turning out innocents. In there I think Lalaith actually had a point which indeed fits nicely with the little detail I noticed on Day1 where he twice reminded us of his history of being a serial voter-of-gifteds so nicely undermining his future track record?

But why I still think there might be a point in suspecting the trio (tgwbs, Durelin and Saucie) is their relative distancedness in this game. I mean they all have been in the middle of the game as doers and as those who have been talked about. Still there seem to be relatively few instances where they have said anything about each other. That is not counting the odd row over Durelin defending Spm toDay - in which Spm's point looked a bit fabricated to be honest.

But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached. Like good Faithfuls would be.

Also I find it odd that tgwbs wishes us to go for a blind lynch of Gil. That can't be in our best interests. Funny then that after I said half-jokingly that we should not lynch anyone of these three (in a moment when no one else seemed to post anything) Spm was only too happy to ask me if I would like to suggest trying to pick a silent one... And as a minor detail also Durelin commented on the familiar Noggie annoyed by those silent to be back after I had made a side-comment on the fact that I didn't like the quietness of this village back then.

See also these:

Originally Posted by tgwbs

I think it impossible that a Cobbler would accuse somebody they think to be a wolf. About their innocent feelings, they might be more honest, but they have no interest in accusing potential-wolves.

On the contrary. I wouldn't like to get bogged down into this but I do think you're giving us bad advices all the time, just like a Faithful would love to do. Why would a cobbler wish to be so readable? Not to say a cobbler as crafty as Roa is? Maybe you are a mathematician (even if I disagree with some of your maths...) and see the world as a clear and simple thing?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Just like everyone else, I don't read every post on the thread. So lynch me.

Even though some points in Kath's last post kind of shows that she hasn't read all toDay (and with a rushed day one can understand it) but I just don't believe this from you. So why do you say so?

I might go for one of these people, but I'm trying to widen my scope a bit before it's time to vote. Lalaith I'm unsure of and Kath just freaks me out... not to talk of Kitanna's last vote that just looks sooo fishy!

[Mithalwen]

I don't know what happened with Manwe but if he does not vote to day he is out.

Also notice that Gil is making sure he does enough to stay in .. but not a lot more.... not sure how to read this.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Also notice that Gil is making sure he does enough to stay in .. but not a lot more.... not sure how to read this.

Have you seen him playing differently? Well I indeed saw him different once but that was a story I wouldn't like to recall...

But there just might be a point here. He posts seldomly as always and gives basically no reasons to his votes but somehow his last post made me think it twice (my first reaction was: "why did he post and made a point!" - although I tend to agree with his point) and now as you noted it. Hmm...

But okay here we are now:
Gil - > tgwbs
Lommy - > Durelin
Tgwbs - > Gil
Spm - > Lalaith
Mith - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith2)
Kitanna - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3)
Kath - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm1)

I know I may be now on a monomaniac drive myself but I just can't help recognising that tgwbs has yet again produced a vote with which he stays out of any heated debates and as a vote of retaliation it's pretty much the safest there is... I just don't like this. I mean if he is a Faithful he really plays nicely and just for that reason he's dangerous.

Back to widening the scopes then as this was no good as yet...

[The Saucepan Man]

Gah! I can live with your suspicions, Noggie, but you could at least have reasonable reasons for suspecting me. I swear that, if I did not know better, I would be voting for you as a Faithful.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Like him denying the ratio of the suspects turning out innocents.

I did not deny the ratio. I merely set out the facts, namely that it was the same for all of us, and pointed out the holes in Lalaith's reasoning, which you seem, dangerously, to have ignored.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That is not counting the odd row over Durelin defending Spm toDay - in which Spm's point looked a bit fabricated to be honest.

It made me wonder, particularly given that she has been one of my main suspects for a while now.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached.

I'll admit that I was, reluctantly, rather detached for the first two Days, thanks to work. But, since then, I have been doing my utmost to find the Faithfuls. Perhaps you would like to review my lengthy analyses?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Funny then that after I said half-jokingly that we should not lynch anyone of these three (in a moment when no one else seemed to post anything) Spm was only too happy to ask me if I would like to suggest trying to pick a silent one..

I was questioning whether it would be in the village's best interests, as I felt that it was probably too risky, given our situation. I share your concerns over TGWBS's vote for Gil, however, and will be giving that some attention if I am still here toMorrow.

I am not inclined to change my vote, unless I am in danger, as I have seen nothing to dissuade me from my belief that Lalaith is a Faithful. Quite the contrary. So, unless anything radcial happens, it stands.

[Mithalwen]

Well he seems to be making a bit more of an effort than usual .... but is that because he has a bigger part to play?.... I think it unlikely he will be killed at night though whatever he says.... if he is innocent he is seldom completely trusted....

Gah 13 players, 1 known innocent, 2 gifted, 4 faithful, one seemingly heading for removal.... lets hope the ranger took a calculated risk and left you unguarded last night Noggin.... cos the Faithful are getting to the point that even if we spot them ..we will have a job out voting them....

[Nogrod]

Btw. if the Ranger didn't get my hints yesterDay or didn't dare to risk not protecting me last Night (which is quite natural, I've been in the situation myself and it's a hard decision) I would just like to remind you of one more thing.

I've been talking a lot of Spm, tgwbs and Durelin. Not without a cause I think. But also remember that there were some funny things in the beginning of the game involving Kath and Lommy with Mänwe. I do hope Mänwe comes back but if he doesn't we'll here what he was soon enough. And if he was a Faithful, look at those defending him (at least Kath and Lommy)

I'm not very happy with this lynching Lalaith-thing. Bandwaggons that appear out of thin aikr are always to be suspected I'd say. From that I've got a worst feeling about Kitanna.

Okay. I've suspected more than half of the village... So little help you seem to have from your known innocent.

But maybe you should look tomorrow for the fact that which people could be related to each other or which might just cancel each other out? The Faithfuls can afford suspecting each others by now and if they're wise they'd probably done that already. Just looking at the spread of the votes thus far makes me feel pretty insecure. THey are surely having the upper hand now.

But we'll (you'll) fight!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

No idea who is a faithful. But my instincts keep telling me that the right honorable Saucepan Man is a fishy fellow. I wish I had something concrete to go on but all I have is a hunch. His posts are always very good and interesting as is wont with old Sauceie, but here there is something of an odd air to it.
So, before I wander off to other lands...

++ The Saucepan Man

No hard feelings, master Pan?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Spm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogrod
But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached.

I'll admit that I was, reluctantly, rather detached for the first two Days, thanks to work. But, since then, I have been doing my utmost to find the Faithfuls. Perhaps you would like to review my lengthy analyses?

Sorry. The language stuff again (or was this a deliberate misunderstanding?). I meant you have ignored each other, not that you haven't involved yourselves with the game...

I share your concerns over TGWBS's vote for Gil, however, and will be giving that some attention if I am still here toMorrow.

I am not inclined to change my vote, unless I am in danger, as I have seen nothing to dissuade me from my belief that Lalaith is a Faithful. Quite the contrary.

It's always toMorrow when the Faithful will vote for his fellow...?

[Nogrod]

Let's see if there is any support for this.

++ tgwbs

I'm ready to reconsider with better points brought forwards...

[Nogrod]

Gil - > tgwbs
Lommy - > Durelin
Tgwbs - > Gil
Spm - > Lalaith
Mith - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith2)
Kitanna - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3)
Kath - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm1)
Hookbill - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm2)
Nogrod - > tgwbs (tgwbs2, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm2)

[Lalaith]

Well, I'm (understandably) torn between tgwbs and Saucie.

I've been getting more and more convinced of Saucie's guilt but I think there's something ignoble about voting for someone who voted for you.

++TGWBS

[Durelin]

I return. *flourish*

Originally Posted by Nog

Even though some points in Kath's last post kind of shows that she hasn't read all toDay (and with a rushed day one can understand it) but I just don't believe this from you. So why do you say so?

Eh? First, what does Kath have to do with whether or not I read all the posts in the thread; and second...just, why? Why is saying that I don't read all of the thread suspicious now? I don't even read all of the posts in the RPGs I'm in normally, so there's no way I'm going to be reading all the posts in WW games.

And my comment about you going after the silent ones? Well, I feel the way you have been playing the large part of this Day is pretty uncharacteristic of you. Actually it reminds me of that time Lommy as the Seer caught you as a Wolf. Do I suggest systematically lynching the silent types? No. But I don't suggest ignoring them either.

Both you and Sauce are having a field day going for whatever you can get on me. It's really rather sad. We know you're innocent, though, so perhaps Sauce is the real danger.

I have not liked the feel of Lalaith, and I think her voting has been very strange, but I find Kitanna's suddenish vote for her pretty odd. Mith's behavior toDay is far less out there to me than yesterDay's, and I'm feeling a little better about her. I wonder, too, why people see this Lalaith thing as out of nowhere. Kitanna's vote is a little sudden, but both SPM and Mith I recall having suspected her for a while, particularly Mith.

Hookbill's still not making very solid accusations, but I do agree with him on Legate. Where is he, anyway? Will we have another last minute vote from him?

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Personally, I am generally more confident in my hunches about who is innocent than my hunches about who is a wolf, so I often vote to save rather than to lynch.

That quote from Lalaith makes her feel more innocent to me. So both Lalaith and Mith have been bumped down on my suspicion list, leaving me with SPM, Lommy, and Legate.

The way Lommy jumped on Nogrod's attack against me, even though she had been suspecting me for a while, makes me rather uneasy of her. It's such a prime opportunity for a wolf to both look consistent and have the sort of *stamp of approval* of a known innocent. Though he wasn't on my *original list*, the way TGWBS jumped on Nogrod's making note of the silence of the village and turned it into a lynch the silents campaign is pretty unnerving, too, but he had gone after Gil before Nogrod's comments, as well.

I need to vote...SPM or Legate? SPM's loud-mouthedness is perhaps better to have around than Legate sneaking around. A Saucepan Wolf might well be a little less...beligerent? than he's being right now, though I suppose only his death will tell. My brain says SPM, my gut says Legate. ToDay seems to be the Day for going with gut votes, so:

++Legate

Edit: Cross-posted with a bunch of posts...that took way too long to write, and now the deadline is very near. No chance of lynching Legate, so...hrmmm...*thinks*

[Nogrod]

Check your vote again Durelin, please. If not, you others should remark this safe-vote toMorrow...

With eight minutes left it's either Lalaith, Spm or tgwbs...

[Durelin]

--Legate

++SPM

Brains wins again.

Edit: Crossed, again, with Nog

[Durelin]

Wait...that makes only three for SPM? A three way tie, or is there going to be more last minute dash-ins and switching?

[Nogrod]

If I have it right Lalaith, Legate and Mänwehaven't voted yet...

Lalaith 3
Spm3

Lalaith had them first though.

[Lalaith]

I voted for guy.
But I want to live. Sob.
++SAUCEPANMAN

--GUY

[Mithalwen]

Lalith has voted ..
I think TGWBS is innocent and the others are guilty... but more certain of Lalaith