TOL-IN-GAURHOTH XII, Erbar Telamarth

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Many, many thanks!

1. To phantom for his invitation and fantastic moderation - this ending had me racing between RL and PC to refresh the page at least every ten minutes!

2. To Underhill, my fellow survivor, for trusting me till the bitter end.

3. To the wolves, for not getting the cursed Underhill! I can't believe that that villager actually reached the end without endangering us.

4. To my fellow innocent villagers, for the great cooperation that led to a joint effort success!


I'm not sure if I ever want to play another Werewolf game - it consumed time, creative energy, and sleep! But I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Mod farewell...

[Lhunardawen]

Leave it to us to leave the two newbies alive at the end. Great job, everyone! And of course, thank you ever so much, Lord Phantom, for the invite. And my deepest apologies for being such a worthless healer, by the way...

...well, at least I was one less villager to worry about. Right?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

this ending had me racing between RL and PC to refresh the page at least every ten minutes!

Mine was easier: I was doing homework at my desk. Every several pages of Aristotle and Epictetus, I'd take a break from reading about what it takes for an ancient Greek not to stress out and refresh. Like I said in the beginning... I tend to be up 'til the wee hours.

Esty: thanks for not being a wolf.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Wow, I can see you all again! It's so nice to be visible - I wonder if the WW game is a modern version of the One Ring?!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Wow, I can see you all again! It's so nice to be visible - I wonder if the WW game is a modern version of the One Ring?!

Certainly allows for a lot of suspicion and corruption...

Now... who thinks that an all-nighter would work out better than trying to run tomorrow on less than five hours of sleep?

[the phantom]

Thanks to everyone for playing in my game.

I wanted this to be an amazingly memorable game, and I think it will be. Well- I'll remember it anyway.

I'll say a lot more than that when I do my usual post-game summary (yes, I'm even going to do one as a mod ).

I can't recall if there are any more, but there are at least three or four little hidden things I tossed out during the game.

If you have found them already, or find them in the next day or so, I'll give you a hearty pat on the back and inform you that you have way too much time on your hands.

Once again, thanks to everyone for making this game top notch. It was fun for me to watch.

who thinks that an all-nighter would work out better than trying to run tomorrow on less than five hours of sleep?

Whatever works best for you. Just don't do what I do when I'm tired- skip my morning classes and sleep in.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Whatever works best for you. Just don't do what I do when I'm tired- skip my morning classes and sleep in.

No go... I like my comp class too much. Looks like trying to sleep is going to win out.

TP: is one of the things when you had TGWBS look pointedly at Form, saying that we ought to lynch him?

[the phantom]

is one of the things when you had TGWBS look pointedly at Form, saying that we ought to lynch him?

No- I didn't hint at roles or anything like that (at least I hope I didn't).

[Estelyn Telcontar]

If not clues, then what kind of hidden things?

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I can't recall if there are any more, but there are at least three or four little hidden things I tossed out during the game.

If you have found them already, or find them in the next day or so, I'll give you a hearty pat on the back and inform you that you have way too much time on your hands.

Aww..and I thought there will be a generous reward...

[the phantom]

If not clues, then what kind of hidden things?

There were things that I called people in my narration that had a little "trick" to them, you might say.

And there were a couple of names that should've had a little next to them, too.

[Cailín]

And so it ends.

Special compliments of course to Mr. Underhill and Estelyn for such a great first time game, though I had hardly expected otherwise.

Ai, it was indeed a harsh game for us wolves. I will never have a sleepover on Day 1 again. I should have said immediately that I would not have time to read the discussion and I would just vote for Eomer anyway, if nothing major happened, because I was afraid a none-vote would cause the wrath of Sir Phantom (who did an amazing job by the way, I don't think there was ever before a game with such a great narration). Anyway, I was very sad to die so early, but I think I had it coming.

Just one more note. You, Mormegil, are a very wise and lucky man. However, your reasoning that between my first two posts I had had a private conversation with one of my fellow wolves was not at all true. Actually, I think the option of communicating during the Day was never used by us wolves. Also, if you look closer at the times of those posts, you'll see that - with the timezone difference - it would have been highly unlikely I could have conversed with Enca or Form. I just wanted to point that out, as that would have been my defense if I had not been so brutally slain by that sneaky hunter Eomer.

Enca, I almost thought you'd have pulled it off, with the mass suicide yesterDay. That was ever so amusing. I was praying you'd find the cursed tonight, now that would have been a twist.

All in all, this game makes a great read, with all its eloquent players. Thank you all.

[Anguirel]

A tremendous game. Valiantly striven. I did not fall unavenged...and I followed the game eagerly after my downfall...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Bravo!

(Villagers had it 'in the bag', even though my 'devious and fiendishly clever' wolf turned out to be as innocent as....you know.)

So let me see.

Well done villagers! Estelyn and Mr Underhill – fantastic game! I had the nagging doubt all along that one of you was taking the village for a ride with all this trust that was afforded to you; I am very happy that there was nothing wolvish (or, in Underhill's case, wolvish enough yet) about your deeds. Well done!

All the villagers contributed well. Formendacil is absolutely correct when he bemoans the wolves' bad luck at the start, which, as he points out, led to the unveiling of three pretty much known innocents. Still, it's no more than you foul lupines deserved!

Especial praise goes to Boromir88, who was quite magnificent; and Mormegil, who really took charge of the village towards the end. Lhuna: I'm just really sorry I wasn't around long enough to protect you.

Many thanks also to The Phantom, whose moderating was brilliant and highly original. It was a gripping game from start to finish.

One more thing: A nice twist to this game, wasn't it Cailín? I think we're just meant to be together.

Edit: And a delightful touch from Anguirel and The Phantom, concerning the sword. Now, Anguirel, there is a chance that our tombs may lie side-by-side and no foe shall dare to walk nigh!

[Firefoot]

Great game, everybody! For those of you who were wondering, my dreams were Morm, Boromir, and Mr. U., and the night I was killed - Encai. Watching the rest of you blunder around, killing tgwbs and Boromir, was insane. Telepathy doesn't work so very well over the internet, I guess...

Anyhow, I'll probably do something a little bit more in depth later (after school...). That's all I really had to say.

[the guy who be short]

I can't believe I ever stopped playing these. I don't think I can really ay how much I loved that.

What, out of interest, did "Erbar Telamarth" come from? It's neither Quenya nor Sindarin. I'm interested.

Special praise to Boro88, my suicide buddy, and LMP for his hilarious character, as well a tp's gripping, Middle-Earthian narratives.

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

Why you people continue to let me live, I'll never know. Yes, I didn't tell a single lie in this game... but how would you know that? I can't for the life of me figure out how I can remain like... the top suspect every single day and yet stay alive until the end almost every time. Somebody want to explain this to me?

[Boromir88]

I'd have to say this was the funnest time I had in a WW game. I wanted to try something different, instead of being a "well-liked" guy. Though I really was...annoyed...at the end, guess I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to be rid of me.

I am seriously going to call phantom "Master Phantom" for his excellently modded game. The narrations were great.

And a few words to Esty...besides my slandering your sewing I don't think I lied once during the game, so you could have taken me at face value. I really did think morm was the seer, since he spotted Cailin, then suddenly went after Formendacil.

And my three predictions at the beginning, I just thought it'd be fun to pick 3 random names, say they were wolves, and see how accurate I was. It did hurt my chances that I named Sauce however.

An excellently played game from the players and a tip of the hat to Eomer for getting Cailin (what is it that you did see,? that's been puzzling me). Fea, tgwbs, Underhill, and Esty I enjoyed playing with for the first time, it was awesome.

(And Ahah Fea, I told you Firefoot dreamed of me. !)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements, IIRC, but couldn't really make sense of the combination. Will you explain please, phantom?

What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

morm, though I hated to see the wolves get you the last night, I am grateful that they didn't go for Underhill! How would we have been able to find out a new wolf?! The past voting record and comments would have been no help at all.

Cross-posted with Boro: Sure, now I know you told the truth, but be honest - had you been a wolf, wouldn't you have said exactly the same things?!

[Boromir88]

What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

[the guy who be short]

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning. Halway through my last Day, I was also suddenly struck by the fact that Boro was completely innocent because of the Sauce comment - I couldn't imagine a wolf ever being so careless.

So, I knew Esty, morm and Boro were innocent. I suspected Enca, Fea and Mr U. If you look at my suicide posts, you'll notice I had made very clear demands pertaining to my death:

Now here's the deal. I'm willing to be double lynched, but toDay is our last Day with mormian input. After that, there are no known innocents.

So, I'm willing to be lynched, on these conditions:

Esty and mormegil are recognised as innocents.

Encaitare is lynched with me.

If Enca is not a wolf, Fea and Boro are lynched next Day, with Esty as the final voter, if she can manage this.

After this, I suddenly realised Boro's innocence thanks to a Mr U post, and swapped the two around:

If Enca is not a wolf, on Day Two, please lynch: Feanor, Mr Underhill. Esty should be the one keeping her vote til the end, as I trust her most out of all of you, minus morm, who would die in the Night.

The way I saw it, the village had nothing to lose as long as it stuck to my plan. By killing myself, people could see I had honest intentions and go along with what I said.

Unfortunately, knuckleheads that you all are, you screwed it up and killed Boro. Though Encai was still my top suspect, I could just see a wolfy Mr U winning the game...

In any case, if the village had listened to me, we'd have won a Day earlier.

In conclusion, I've forgotten the point I was trying to make.

Thank you for listening.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

My guess is they were systematically killing the 3 known innocents off one by one in order of least suspicion. For example nobody suspected LMP of being guilty and therefore he was the first to go. I was the most plausible of the three to be a wolf therefore I was last. It was somewhat unfortunate that it was Firefoot and not another that voted for Cailin.

Speaking of Firefoot, this is her second time at being a seer and I think she played brilliant. Before she died she left us sufficient clues to know who she dreamt of and who she didn't though Boromir was a bit ambiguous but I believe that was out of necessity. It's a difficult role to play and she did it very well.

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

[Boromir88]

I basically had the same reasoning with tgwbs, as far as suicidal. I thought if I was going to attract this much doubt and suspicion, just get me out of the way and leave it up to the "knuckleheads" to catch the last wolf. Which they did. Congrats.

[Mister Underhill]

It's fascinating how even an innocent can look guilty as sin when viewed in the right light. Sorry, Fea and Shorty. I don't think I could ever be a trial lawyer -- sorry, loyer -- I couldn't live with the uncertainty, even when it's only that last little 1% of doubt.

The game is quite interesting strategy-wise, too. You have to look suspicious enough that the wolves want to keep you alive, but not so suspicious that your fellows lynch you. I lucked out a little bit in that regard, I reckon, with some blundering early moves.

That second-to-last day was a disaster, and credit to Enca for creating such confusion without completely giving herself away. I was so mixed up that night that I probably could have been talked into casting a vote for myself. When it was all over I was sitting at my computer wondering how I ended up lynching Shorty/Boro when my top suspects most of the day had been Enca/Fea. To my dying day I'll never understand the suicide votes -- I was convinced one of you was running the ultimate bold bluff.

Firefoot voted for two wolves in three votes; I assumed that's why she got mauled. Nice job, Fire, in leaving clues that could be deciphered after your demise.

[Gurthang]

++the phantom

For Best Moderator ever. Seriously, that was some pretty awesome narration.

Oh, and lynch

++the phantom

for dragging it out so long and trying to kill us with all the suspense.

Excellent game everyone.

[the phantom]

Seer: Firefoot
Ranger: littlemanpoet
Hunter: Eomer of the Rohirrim
Wolves: Cailin, Formendacil, Encaitare
Cursed: Mister Underhill

NIGHT ONE
Seer Dream: mormegil

DAY ONE
Hunter Pick: Cailin (a Wolf)
Lynch: Anguirel

NIGHT TWO
Seer Dream: Boromir88
Ranger Protect: mormegil
Hunter Pick: Cailin (a Wolf)
Wolf Kill: Eomer of the Rohirrim (the Hunter, takes Cailin the Wolf with him)

DAY TWO
Lynch: Shelob

NIGHT THREE
Seer Dream: Mister Underhill (the Cursed)
Ranger Protect: Boromir88
Wolf Kill: littlemanpoet (the Ranger)

DAY THREE
Lynch: Formendacil (a Wolf), Lhunardawen

NIGHT FOUR
Seer Dream: Encaitare (a Wolf)
Wolf Kill: Firefoot (the Seer)

DAY FOUR
Lynch: Boromir88, the guy who be short

NIGHT FIVE
Wolf Pick: mormegil

DAY FIVE
Lynch: Feanor of the Peredhil, Encaitare (final Wolf)

VILLAGERS WIN

SURVIVORS
Mister Underhill and Estelyn Telcontar

[the phantom]

So, no one has spotted one of my little hidden secrets?

Two of them are fairly tough to spot, but there are three that are not too difficult.

Need hints?

[the phantom]

I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements

Yep.

That's all Erbar Telamarth is- a combination of certain word elements.

The definitions of the elements tell, in a vague and general sense, what the village was.

[The Saucepan Man]

Boy, I wish that I could have participated in that one. Alas, attendance at a work seminar prevented me (although, as it turned out, I did have internet access there). Still, for a game that I wasn't playing in, I did seem to feature rather a lot ...

Whether I am playing, or merely standing on the sidelines cheering, I always seem to become convinced that someone innocent is a Wolf. For the last two Days, I was shouting at my screen for you all to lynch Esty. I couldn't understand why everyone seemed so confident in her innocence.

Mind you, I was also shouting at you all for lynching Boro, who was quite clearly innocent to me. So at least I got something right.

Great game and well played by all concerned. But particular praise for Boro (whose "new persona" amused me greatly), lmp (for his early lecherous antics), morm (for being so clearly committed to the cause) and Esty and Underhillo (for getting into the swing of things remarkably quickly, given the experience of many of the other players). Bad luck to the Wolves too, who made the best of a bad situation. A difficult set of innocents to deceive, and it looks from phantom's list that Eomer's pick to hunt Cailin was at least part random, given that he chose her on Night 1. Although credit must go to Eomer for the move which set up the conditions for a villager win and for, I believe, the first successful use of the Hunter's specific gift.

I would praise the phantom too for his outstanding moderation (both in formulating the rules and for the narraction), but I am afraid that, if I did, his head would swell to such proportions that it would burst out of my screen ...

[Boromir88]

Mind you, I was also shouting at you all for lynching Boro, who was quite clearly innocent to me. So at least I got something right.

Hey, I actually had another defender. I really was surprised I survived the first night. I kind of wanted to try something new (inspired by Fea in her WW Jr I) and wanted to add my "insulting role" touch. The other games I was more "proper" in analyzing everything, here I just kind of went with my gut feeling, and think a bit of luck was in it too.

Again, I say this was the funnest one I have been in, mostly due to the excellently modded game by Master Phantom (I think you deserve this title now ) and all the members involved.

[the phantom]

Okay, I've skimmed over my narration and, though you could probably make a case that there are more, I found 15 ITEMS that have an invisible next to them.

There is one that only Eomer can spot (if his memory is good enough to stretch back to the game he modded), and there is one that only Enca can spot.

So that leaves 13 for the rest of you.

(actually, one has been "found" already but has not been completed- the name of the village)

[Mister Underhill]

I make it out to be something to the effect of "Village of the Doomed". Or something like that.

Are the other "easter eggs" recognizable to noob players?

[the phantom]

I make it out to be something to the effect of "Village of the Doomed". Or something like that.

Yeah, pretty much.

This is the translation I had in mind-
er= solitary
bar= dwelling
tel= final
amarth= doom

Are the other "easter eggs" recognizable to noob players?

Yes sir.

One easter egg was a wink towards the day's events.

One I'm sure several people caught was a play on the person's village occupation.

One is a song reference, and is fairly obvious.

One is a movie reference (once again, pretty straight forward).

Three reference things in Downs history.

One references an event in Middle Earth history.

Two are plays on people's names.

Two names are easter eggs. When you think about it, it should be clear whose names I mean.

There's one only Eomer can get, and one only Enca can get (though others may figure it out if Enca lets out some of her thoughts from her Firefoot killing).

Perhaps we should start a new game called "The Quest to Find Phantom's Fifteen Fun Things".

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, if you mean this passage, phantom, I noticed it, of course!

"You're ALL a bunch of MORONS!" screamed Boromir, insulting the entire village for the umpteenth time that day.

"I wish you'd stop needling everyone!" chided Esty, the seamstress.

"I think we should lynch Esty for trying to be punny," offered Anguirel.

"Oh, don't be so knit-picky!" said Esty.

Everyone groaned.

Lovely puns! I included a couple in my posts, but apparently not enough to have everyone wanting my lynching...

[Shelob]

There is one that only Eomer can spot (if his memory is good enough to stretch back to the game he modded)

if it's just a reference to that game couldn't I concievably get it too? I was a wolf in that game after all...



And within this game I'm rather impressed that the last villagers to survive (and win) were those who'd never played before...good job.

[mormegil]

I forgot to mention that I had this horrible sinking feeling that I was going to be the cursed villager, I've had this feeling before and I was the cursed. Needless to say I was a bit worried about the night I died and if I was the cursed what would happen. I was thinking that it would almost be pointless in defending myself. Phantom probably was annoyed with my post alluding to my notion that I was cursed.

[Formendacil]

I'm totally ignorant to what the Phantom has hidden for us, so I'm going to leave that to those with better brains, and present my post-game "tell-all":

DAY 1 was a lying low day. Everyone was supposed to act innocent, act random, and vote as unsuspiciously as possible. That worked for me- but after I signed out for the night, Cailin came THIS close to being lynched.

NIGHT 2 we killed Eomer. I think I suggested him, but the Lady Wolves agreed. The reasoning went that Eomer was someone who did NOT have strong suspicions of any of us, and by killing him we would be removing a very smart, experienced, villager. It was REALLY bad luck for us that Eomer was both the Hunter and that he had decided to take down Cailin.

DAY 2 was a day of survival. We needed to insinuate ourselves- if possible- into the "Innocence Clique"- as well as raising suspicions about as many people as possible. Unfortunately, both Enca and I were coming under suspicion. Still, we managed to survive the day.

NIGHT 2 Enca and I decided to kill one of the three innocents. It was plain that they had to be weeded out, since they were building themselves into the centre of the village defense. Our reasons for killing LMP, however, had nothing to do with his suspicious level- although that was a factor. Morm was the most suspicious, so we left him- but as far as "Definitely Innocent" went, we would have killed Firefoot- except that we thought the Ranger would be protecting her for the same reason. So we killed LMP. Imagine our great pleasure the next day in finding that we had caught the Ranger!

DAY 3 I met my demise. I knew it was probably coming, with Firefoot continually on my tail, and Morm fanning the flames as well. I HAD hoped to take some of the fire from Enca, or to have Fea or Mister Underhill lynched instead, but that didn't transpire. With less than four hours left, and myself already condemned, I went and sent a PM to Enca (the first use of our daylight PMing during the game, I believe) advising her to kill Firefoot- even though Boromir was acting like the Seer. For all I knew, Boromir was the Seer, but I wanted Firefoot off for her continued pressure on me, and because she seemed to have the best reputation as the most uncannily accurate player of the game, Seer or no. It also meant one less "Innocent". Well, I died, Enca killed Firefoot, and I had the vindication from beyond the grave of seeing Firefoot- the Seer- dead.

Then I spent the last two days watching the game in frenzied anticipation, hoping against hope that Enca could win it. I was jubilant after her Day 4 victory, but I knew there was VERY little hope for Day 4. VERY little hope...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Esty

Lovely puns!

Yes, yes, but I can't take full credit for that. When you pmed me with your choice of seamstress, you mentioned doing seamstress puns, which is why I did what I did.

So thanks for the help, Esty.

You could count that as an easter egg, but it's not one of the fifteen I wrote down.

Originally Posted by Shelob

if it's just a reference to that game couldn't I concievably get it too?

No. The reference is to a pm I sent to Eomer during the game.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Phantom probably was annoyed with my post alluding to my notion that I was cursed.

No, no- I didn't mind.

You have no idea how horrible the temptation was to switch you with Mister Underhill and make you the cursed villager.

After all, no one would've known. I'm the only one who knew who the cursed was. If I had made you the cursed it would've lengthened the game and possibly made for a one-on-one ending, which could've been exciting.

But I stayed honest.

[Firefoot]

Sauce - what do you mean you didn't play? You were even accused!

Actually, I'll be honest - I was all set to dream of Sauce on the first night. Then I looked at the list more closely and whoops! He's not there! Luckily I never actually sent that to phantom...

So I decided to dream of Morm instead, for two reasons. He can be a smart player (and he was extremely so in this game. A great thing to know of his innocence), and less nobly, something of a spite dream, because of when he was a Seer and I was a wolf in WWI... (Sorry, Morm, I'm not going to let that one go. )

The next two dreams, Boromir and Mr. U., were heavily debated. I didn't want to dream about Formendacil, simply because I thought it would look entirely too suspicious if I suddenly released my campaign of him should he have been innocent. I also didn't want to dream about Fea, though she did plague me pretty well. Encai was always like just the next one down on the list, but her voting on Days 1 and 2 just didn't seem like a suspicious enough votes, and there wasn't anything outwardly suspicious about her.

Boromir was getting to be a very difficult player to defend as innocent towards the end. I was figuring I was going to die, however, I was hoping that if I didn't seem like a Seer the wolf might go after someone else (unfortunately, she didn't). So I didn't want to seem to certain of Boromir's innocence, because he really was acting very suspiciously in my eyes. Which is why I didn't say anything much about his guilt or innocence except that he was acting like an idiot. (Sorry, Boromir.)

But once Formen was lynched and found to be a wolf, I pretty much knew I was going to die. I was already on people's innocent lists (that was *not* supposed to happen. I wanted to be at least a bit suspicious so that the wolves wouldn't kill me), and then I vote for another wolf - no way was I going to survive. I would have been shocked if I had survived, I think. So I put very little effort (probably less than a quarter of the time than the previous two nights) into deciding my pick for the night, and wouldn't you know it but I catch a wolf. The rest is history.

And I'll add my vote to ++phantom for the best modded game ever. Fortunately, I didn't have to experience the same type of suspense as the rest of you - I could wake up in the morning and read the whole thing straight through.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Special praise to Boro88, my suicide buddy, and LMP for his hilarious character, as well a tp's gripping, Middle-Earthian narratives.

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

Complete agreement on all counts.

I had intended to send my (ahem) invitations to Lhuna, Cailin, and Encai too, but the timing never worked out. Oh well. So I was a bigamist or something instead.