Family Tree Trivia

[Galadriel55]

*facepalm*

Maglor!

[Urwen]

So it's one of Elros or Elrond's great-grandchildren. The closest I can come is Tar-Elendil...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

*facepalm*

Maglor!

Maglor! There he is. Correct, over to you.

Originally Posted by Urwen

So it's one of Elros or Elrond's great-grandchildren. The closest I can come is Tar-Elendil...

So I apologise for being wrong before: cousin-Ness is indeed reciprocal. So Arwen is the great-grandchild (of Finarfin, in this case).

hS

[Urwen]

And I was gonna say Maeglin/Celebrimbor too.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Maglor! There he is. Correct, over to you.

So much for me going "All Feanorians are dead! Nothing to be gained there!"

I get confused with family tree relationship terms in English, because they are different (and make so much more sense to me!) in Russian. For instance, in Russian Maglor would be Arwen's secondary great-uncle. I had to draw out the family tree to see where the "cousin" relationship actually happens.


A quick one, with a bit of an opposite twist to this thread:

Who *forfeited* a family for a promise not yet made?

[Urwen]

Tar-Aldarion, when he went off to skeddaddle with Sauron's enemies in Middle Earth?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Tar-Aldarion, when he went off to skeddaddle with Sauron's enemies in Middle Earth?

Not the answer I am looking for.

[Urwen]

You would usually give a small hint if we explained our reasoning.

Hmmm...Feanor maybe?

[Urwen]

Hey, hey. I think I have it. Is it mayhaps Finrod Felagund, whose gift of foresight convinced him not to marry or have a son because of his eventual oath to Barahir and his descendants? (And his love for Amarie to an extent)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Hey, hey. I think I have it. Is it mayhaps Finrod Felagund, whose gift of foresight convinced him not to marry or have a son because of his eventual oath to Barahir and his descendants? (And his love for Amarie to an extent)

Indeed. I feel like giving up a chance for love and family is a lot more heroic if it's indeed done in foresight of an oath that you must be free to fulfill, rather than because your sweetheart is across the Belegaer. But we sweep that under the rug and still love our valiant Finrod.

[Urwen]

I just came up with a fun one.

Whose father is also their father-in-law?

[Urwen]

I know you were around, people, and there are few outstanding threads that need continuing, so please don't let them die...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I know you were around, people, and there are few outstanding threads that need continuing, so please don't let them die...

Do you want me to post "no idea" on all three threads? Because I've got no idea. I'd rather leave the space for other people to try and answer.

Oh, except this one: Turin & Nienor.

hS

[Urwen]

I just don't want those threads to end up locked by admins because they weren't posted in for more than six years. Do you want that to happen? Do you?! >.>

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I just don't want those threads to end up locked by admins because they weren't posted in for more than six years. Do you want that to happen? Do you?! >.>

Urwen, if I could fast-forward six years from this moment, even at the price of a couple of locked threads, I would do so in a [i]heartbeat[/b].

hS

[Urwen]

These threads are one of the few means I have to stave off my boredom, especially during this pandemic, and I will not let them be locked and shunted aside, ever. Do you understand?

[Urwen]

Anyway, it was Turin (and Nienor).

[Huinesoron]

Cool. So:

Two kings lost two sons in two wars, and 2+2+2 is the number from the first to the second. Where did they rule?

hS

[Urwen]

Arnor and Gondor.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Arnor and Gondor.

Incorrect.

hS

[Urwen]

Just Gondor?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Just Gondor?

Also incorrect.

It's a lot harder to give appropriate levels of hint if you don't offer any reasoning. (For instance, if your reasoning was "the two kings are the Sun and the Moon", I'd offer a different amount of help than if you said "are Isildur and Aragorn".)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, it's not Sun and Moon. Even I know thar much.

[Urwen]

So there are King's of the Noldor, Kings of Sindar, Kings of Numenor, Kings of Arnor and Gondor, Kings of Rohan, Kings of Moria...

And I know for a fact that Dior lost two sons, literally, in the woods. Now his descendants were

- Elwing
- Elrond & Elros

If we go through Elrond line, then we have

- Elladan and Elrohir, who have no recorded children.
- Arwen, who has one son, which still isn't enough for six steps.

If we go by Elros, we have

- Vardamir
- Amandil
- Elendil
- Meneldur, who only had one son. So that line of thinking is wrong.

[Urwen]

Okay, I've ruled out Kings of Noldor (because there aren't six steps between them), Kings of Moria (because only few of those had multiple sons) and Kings of Numenor (because of those who had two sons, their sons didn't die in war).

And since you said no to Kings of Gondor and Arnor, this leaves Kings of Rohan.

[Huinesoron]

I will accept process of elimination as a valid method. Correct, they ruled in Rohan.

Specifically, Helm Hammerhand lost his sons Haleth and Hama in the Long Winter; four more kings ruled Rohan (not counting Wulf the Usurper), and then King Folca's twin sons Folcred and Fastred were slain defending the crossings of Poros against the Haradrim. So six kings in all, counting both of them.

Over to you!

hS

[Urwen]

Okay, so which married couples are also blood-related?

(And yes, the Celeborn/Galadriel thing inspired me...)

[Galadriel55]

...How much will you hate me for this answer?...

Originally Posted by Urwen

Okay, so which married couples are also blood-related?

Turin and Nienor.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

...How much will you hate me for this answer?...



Turin and Nienor.

Well, yea, but they aren't the only ones...

[Huinesoron]

Ooh! Aragorn and Arwen. Arvedui and Firiel are even closer, they're both descendants of Elendil.

For relatively close blood-ties, Dior and Nimloth share an (unnamed) set of great-grandparents. I guess Elrond and Celebrian are related, too - Nimloth is Elrond's grandmother, and Celebrian's first cousin. Galadriel and Celeborn you mentioned - their grandparents are siblings (Olwe and Elmo).

Barahir and Emeldir are both fifth-generation descendents of Beor; theyr're the only example I can find among the Edain, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.

Sam and Rosie are both four generations down from Holman the Greenhanded, and it looks like their siblings Marigold and Tolman (respectively) got married as well. Merry's wife Estella Bolger is, like him, a great-great-grandchild of the Old Took.

And... crikey. It's a bit hard to trace, but Frodo's parents Drogo and Primula were both great-grandchildren of Gundahar Bolger and Dina Diggle.

... and of course, Tar-Miriel and Pharazon are first cousins, aren't they? I bet that's the closest (other than Nathan and Nina or whatever their names are).

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ooh! Aragorn and Arwen. Arvedui and Firiel are even closer, they're both descendants of Elendil.

For relatively close blood-ties, Dior and Nimloth share an (unnamed) set of great-grandparents. I guess Elrond and Celebrian are related, too - Nimloth is Elrond's grandmother, and Celebrian's first cousin. Galadriel and Celeborn you mentioned - their grandparents are siblings (Olwe and Elmo).

Barahir and Emeldir are both fifth-generation descendents of Beor; theyr're the only example I can find among the Edain, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.

Sam and Rosie are both four generations down from Holman the Greenhanded, and it looks like their siblings Marigold and Tolman (respectively) got married as well. Merry's wife Estella Bolger is, like him, a great-great-grandchild of the Old Took.

And... crikey. It's a bit hard to trace, but Frodo's parents Drogo and Primula were both great-grandchildren of Gundahar Bolger and Dina Diggle.

... and of course, Tar-Miriel and Pharazon are first cousins, aren't they? I bet that's the closest (other than Nathan and Nina or whatever their names are).

hS

Nathan and Nina? Never heard of those...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nathan and Nina? Never heard of those...

Nathan and Nina, Neithan and Niniel, same difference. You already said them though.

hS

[Urwen]

Well then, you're up.

[Huinesoron]

So which one(s) were you thinking of?

Um... name the one unambiguously evil parent/child family.
hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Um... name the one unambiguously evil parent/child family.

Umm... Ungoliant and Shelob?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Umm... Ungoliant and Shelob?

...

Name the other unambigously blah blah you know the question.

(Can't believe I missed them.)

Oh stars and water, I've just thought of a third... fine, get three and I'll hand it over.

hS

[Urwen]

Draugluin and Carcharoth.


(Also Eol and Morleg, if you wanna count them as 'evil')

[Urwen]

Also Ar-Gimilzor and Phary, as well as other Numerorean father-son duos after the Rebellion

[Galadriel55]

Draugluin and Carcharoth, though I can't remember if they are actually a father/son pair or just "forefather"/descendant.

Edit: crossed with Urwen with the same idea.

[Huinesoron]

Draugluin and Carcharoth was my third; I think Draugluin is his 'sire' somewhere. But:

Originally Posted by Urwen

(Also Eol and Morleg, if you wanna count them as 'evil')

Originally Posted by Urwen

Also Ar-Gimilzor and Phary, as well as other Numerorean father-son duos after the Rebellion

Neither of those are unambiguously evil. Pharazon comes closest, with the human-sacrifice thing, but his dad was just a product of his times.

Tie breaker? You've not found the father/son pair I was, er... originally thinking of.

hS