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01-30-2011, 01:22 PM | #441 |
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I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler.
And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as... "I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog) "Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally) "I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom) "Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy) Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint.
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As for you hinting at me, well, that's what this (previously quoted) comment sounds a lot like: Quote:
That's quite a to the point summary why I think you're doing fishy stuff and it all adds up quite nicely to you being a Bobbler (yay to Greenie for the nickname!).
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01-30-2011, 02:01 PM | #444 | |
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So lemme be more blunt (and if this comes off as condescending I'm sorry now. I'm not insulted by anything you've or anyone else said). You were wrong then, you're still wrong now. Only then I wasn't going to hold it against you, because innocents especially can be wrong, and I thought you were trying to enact some playful Day 1 revenge since the last two times you've been wrong about my role. But now I see you're actually serious and this is worrying me. However you interpret from me saying "I feel good about you, even if you are wrong about me" as me giving you a cobbler hint and thinking you're a wolf, I haven't got a clue. And now you've turned my clear cobbler hint to you, into some kind of hint saying I'm a wolf? You say I'm fishy? Really? Yet you've completely ignored baseless suspicions that are piling up against me. You don't think that's fishy? You're more thoughtful than this, Lommy. I hope you're a baddie, because I would hope an innocent Lommy wouldn't stand for the snow job against me right now, even if she was honestly suspicious of me for good reasons.
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01-30-2011, 02:11 PM | #445 | |||||||
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Nessalysis
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Post #102 Again, nothing. A one line post saying she doesn't know who to vote for. Doesn't give any thoughts of her own on anything that was said up to this point, doesn't share her thoughts on anybody else. Nothing. Post #138 Finally gives some thoughts of her own on something that Fea had said, more specifically about Fea's "Deadifying active players" plan. States that she will vote randomly and I quote: Quote:
Post #147 Her vote post, voting for Legate (the first one for him of the Day) with this as her reasoning. Quote:
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Post #336 Votes for phantom because she believe Nog (this was before Agan snapped her trap on Nobbler) and then is gone the rest of the Day. I will give her credit for following her own gut instinct on this one instead of just following the masses. All in all, I am not very fond of Nessa, she seems to be latching on to everything other people are saying and really only making her own decisions with her votes, which haven't been all that helpful either. I'm tempted to believe one of the following two scenarios: 1) She's a Cobbler or 2) a very confusing innocent. EDIT: X'ed since last
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01-30-2011, 02:25 PM | #446 |
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Aganzir - Beren, obviously. I heart her for her trick yesterDay.
Shasta - Lúthien, obviously. Glirdan - He struck me as a likely Cobbler early on, saying that Shasta behaved the same way he did as a Seer. I still think Glirdy might be a Cobbler though there hasn't been new points to that direction. So not sure. Elra - I seriously want to take a look at her. Nerwen - She's always difficult to read but I'm leaning towards an innocent Nerwen at the moment. Loslote - Still leaning innocent. Wilwa - Another I need a look at. Legate - Nothing alarming this far, he seems his usual innocent self. Lommy - Was suspicious on Day 1, okay on Day 2, and now my alarms are going off again. I think she's grasping at straws with her suspicion of Boro, and seems overall nervous. Nessa - Another I feel bad about. Her Legate vote was fishy, and I'm not sure what to make of her phantom-vote either. Seems awfully easy to me. Sally - I might want to take a look at her, too. the phantom - Leaning innocent. Boro - I don't have much on him, either way. Mithalwen - Still baffles me a lot. Could be anything. Anguirel - Likewise. Argh. I'm not happy with how many people I have no idea about. The way this is going, my vote will probably be for Lommy or Nessa. I'd like to take a look at some of our less vocal players before voting though. EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Glirdy
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01-30-2011, 02:31 PM | #447 |
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I'd like to officially add Bobbler to the glossary.
Okieday, kids, I'm back. I have many things to do while on the webs, but I'll read through the thread and try to make some sense from this chaos. And Shasta? I'm glad to have you back, my defrosted darling. <3
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01-30-2011, 02:33 PM | #448 | |
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Boro
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Phantom assigned a role to everybody at the beginning of day 1 calling Boro a cobbler. Boro made a sports-related joke in return. Nog pinged on his radar after like one or two posts because he was the first to start talking serious stuff. According to Boro, he was trying to steer and spin what he wanted to spin and looked bleaker than the situation merited. He was feeling good about Lommy (who had called him a cobbler): Quote:
DAY 2 He explains his Legate vote a bit further, then says that in a game like this it's important to keep the voting close. This rings false to me. Firstly, it makes multiple lynches easier. Secondly, if someone appears much more suspicious than the others, the village usually wants her dead. This doesn't happen if we don't bandwagon. Thirdly, the votes don't have to be even in order for us to learn what the DL voters think. He had Greenie, Nerwen, sally, me (to be honest I'm quite upset about my threat level being considered that of a koala ) and Fea listed as Koalas. Nog and Glirdan looked the worst to him, and he considered voting for one of them or the phantom. He's convinced at least one of them is evil, probably more (Glirdy at least a cobbler, Nog looking desperate). He disapproved of Greenie's plan to vote for Nessa just because she might be an easy bandwagon target if people start having doubts about lynching one of the aforementioned three. He then voted for Nog, saying it's no good to insinuate players are cheating and he's confident about his vote. After Nog's revelation, he said there's no way to prove if he's telling the truth. He didn't make up his mind about him at all. He then discussed why Nog said the phantom was a cobbler - if he was a wolf, it would've made more sense to offer the name of a fellow if he wanted us to believe him, but saying someone is a cobbler isn't the best way to save oneself. When I first read this I thought it was Boro's explanation for believing Nog's claim (which I found extremely fishy) but now that it isn't 4 am anymore, I see it wasn't the case and it actually makes sense. Hmm okay then there's his next post where his opinion changes (after phantom corrected him about the rules) so I don't know what he meant after all... I think Boro could go either way. Especially some of that Lommy stuff and the thing about keeping the votes even. Suspecting Noggins doesn't tell us much about Boro because Nog was probably a cobbler and therefore they wouldn't have known of each other even if both are baddies. I have been writing this on and off and haven't really read anything after my last post. Will be back later.
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01-30-2011, 02:37 PM | #449 |
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No you didn't say but your posts show you didn't even bother reading to the second sentence of his only post!
Now the only reason I can think of for not scouring his every word is that he can tell you nothing new ie that you already know who is a wolf or not.
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A quick look at Elra. DOES NOT include full quotes of all her posts, only the extracts I thought were or could be relevant.
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Wilwalysis
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Completely absent (only remembered that the game started when she got a phone call from me reminding her). Day 2 Post #228 Just saying she was here and getting caught up on everything. Post #231 Quotes something from Boro and says that she would have said the same thing (and reading what Boro posted and the tone in which it was said, I could definitely see Wilwa saying the same thing). Brings up a very good point about the voting: Quote:
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Agrees with Angu (there, better then Toppins?? ) about feeling silly about trusting Nog and agrees that he is definitely not the Seer. Post #372 Votes Nog All in all, I'd say Wilwa seems fairly innocent to me. The tone of her posts and the way she's posting says innocent. The only downside is the frequentness of her posts....or I should say, lack there of. EDIT: Xed since last...again
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01-30-2011, 03:12 PM | #452 |
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Sorry for the double
And Greenie just did the Elra analysis for me, which I will read up later, but for now, I must depart for supper. I also have a rehearsal I have to leave for in about two hours and will be there for three hours, so if I do not make an appearence before my rehearsal, expect me back afterwards for voting.
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01-30-2011, 03:17 PM | #453 |
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I have to go to sleep now. So I'm going to go for
++ Lommy Because out of my current top suspects Lommy and Nessa, she's the one that I find a less likely innocent. She quite simply isn't herself at all, she's jumpy and nervous and making weird arguments. Good night!
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It hardly certified your innocence, but it did make me more hesitant to distrust you. After all, when you have two suspects, one of which is suspected by a 'cobbler' and the other of which is suspected by a 'seer', which are you going to want to vote?
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01-30-2011, 03:58 PM | #455 |
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Regarding the dead thread
The votes on Manwe came about as follows - I was quite vocal about Nog, and voted him just as soon as Night started. Nog came on and we dueled for a while, but he was very calm about his impending reveal, even going out of his way to vote for himself. I decided that he was a cobbler at that point (had been leaning that way for some time), and retracted my vote to switch to Manwe, whom we knew nothing about but /was/ lynched (Nog's actions being such that I felt he knew he'd turn up 'not a wolf'). Manwe then came on and voted for himself, making it 2 for him and 1 for Nog. I also told the dead thread to always vote for the lynched player for the role reveal - anyone killed by the wolves is by definition not a wolf, so a revelation of them is a waste. In other news, Nog is still claiming that Phantom is a cobbler. Manwe would like Boro, among others, looked at. Oh, yes, and Fea is high on Nog's suspected list. Anyway. Lommy's actions today are striking me as odd, but not wolfish-odd - they look more to me like a Prelude to Chaos in C Minor - that is, a lead-up to a chaotic cobbler play. The main person I'm looking at is Lottie, who defended Nog yesterday.
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So, basically, the only thing you can learn from my defense of Nog is that I'm either innocent or a wolf or a lying cobbler, and that I'm a little bit guillible.
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01-30-2011, 04:12 PM | #457 |
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There are a lot on the dark side this game but not an infinite number - some of the people playing silly beggars have to be wolves..they can't all be cobblers esp if the BG hypothesis is correct. Lommie hasn't been as I remembered her this game. Either she has become disengaged or she is up to something. If I had to vote now it would be for her but I can hang fire for a bit.
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All right, I am around now, though really not much in the state for playing (feeling incredibly tired, almost to the point of exhaustion, seriously).
Generally, there hasn't been even too much said... the things that have stood out for me is the debate about Boro, which may have its merit, and also some of the points Greenie had brought about elra in her analysis are interesting. Otherwise, general comments... Quote:
As for the dangerousness of the Cobbler, well, after a Night or two, if he wasn't targeted, it would become clear that he is not what he claims to be. Also... Quote:
Okay. I am afraid I won't get to my Nerwelysis, which I wanted to make, or I can try, but depending on how much she had posted... otherwise, I might just slowly decide my vote... there are several options, I am still circling more or less around the Nessa-phantom-maybe Lottie (?) or also Ang - circle with Lommies/Boros/some of the abovementioned being also possibly a Cobbler... (and now interested about Elronhubbard and still having Nerwen to look at) EDIT: x-ed after LG's vote, with Lottie, Shasta, Lottie, Mith
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At that time I didn't come to any sure conclusion about Nog's reveal, but I wasn't really believing it either. Then when phantom pointed out since the cobblers aren't going to be revealed in the dead thread, it's actually smarter that he names a cobbler because then Nog's fake seer claim would be harder to check. If Nog claims phantom's a wolf, phantom dies, and it turns up in the dead thread phantom is not a wolf, Nog's trick is up. I wasn't thinking about the cobblers prior, and once phantom pointed out why Nog would chose to call him a cobbler instead of a wolf, I was dead set convinced Nog had fake revealed. And that he's probably a cobbler, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up wolf either. That all occured before your own trap, which I did not see until waking up later (which the BD happened to be brokey for a while when I did wake up ) I think Nessa's too easy of a target. Granted, that's what everyone said when she was a wolf previously, that she was getting framed, but then she fueled the idea she was getting framed. I think we tend to forget when you really don't have any information it's difficult to come up with some impeccable shiny-phantom idea. All you can really do is read what's posted, guess at who sounds good to you, which typically looks like you're just sitting back and going with the flow. Going with the flow is not really a solid reason to suspect someone of wolvery, and Glirdan, you shouldn't overlook the times when Nessa has added her own ideas. I may be back. I may not be. ++Lommy Reasons should be clear enough from my previous post. And I didn't even get to her opinions about Nog, which really said nothing about what her opinions were. Nog Day 1 "seemed ok" and was then was giving her a headache Day 2. And then the comment about how Shasta's (or was it Fea's? I forget) death made Nog look better. As for me, I'm ready to make my own bed.
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Boro - I get it you're not exactly happy about me suspecting you when you're already being suspected by many. However, I'm not going to drop my suspicions or apologise for them just because you're my friend. And what you said still is basically "you're (almost) right when calling me a cobbler", whether you meant it or not. And of course you say you didn't mean it, but you must understand I can't take your word for that. And I might be ignoring most of the other suspicion coming your way - because, like you said, it's baseless. It's Sally's and elephant's problem if they don't have grounds for their suspicions, not mine. And I guess I do not need to comment on Nog's suspicions on you, since that cobbler is already dead.
I didn't pay much attention to Nessa before, but Glirdan's analysis is rather eyebrow-raising. Whether it means Nessa is guilty (and I think he could be as well a wolf as a cobbler) or Glirdan is a crafty cobbler, I cannot really say. Have to think about this. Quote:
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Shasta, thanks for the info. That's sure something to think about. edit: xed with Mith, Legz and Boro
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I think you're taking this a bit personally, which I'm sorry about, because I never meant to provoke you that way (I know you said you're not insulted, which is good, 'cos I'm not trying to insult anyone). Wondering if this is a sign of innocence and I shouldn't vote you toDay...? Gah. I should make a list to organise my head. I have so many probable cobblers in my head and only a few probable wolves.
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01-30-2011, 05:03 PM | #462 |
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Master Phantom has been held up, and will not be back until later this evening.
And now back to the massive reread. I'm currently still on page three. Help me.
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01-30-2011, 05:17 PM | #463 |
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Well, the only opinions I've developed over the course of the day are a) I tend to think the people who do lots of in-depth analyzing (e.g., Greenie, Glirdy) are innocent; b) I still don't like the way phantom's been coming across*, but I won't vote for him today because I think he's just a cobbler; c) I'm not sure what to make of this whole Boro vs. Lommy...thing...but if I had to choose one of them right now I'd side with Boro.
I'll be back later to vote. *Greenie, I feel I ought to explain how tp went from "on my good side" to "pinging my uh-oh radar", since it seemed to worry you a bit (though not enough to think I'm guilty, thanks for that). I have a bad habit of sometimes only skimming through people's tome-posts, and tp was at first distilling those down to a point where my overtaxed brain could understand....but then his nice distillations turned into confusion-sowing (at least that's how I perceived it). Hence the switch. He hasn't talked much today, though. I'm not sure what to make of that. EDIT: x'ed with lots, in particular sally who explained tp's silence.
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01-30-2011, 05:19 PM | #464 |
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I was referring to his distrust of the other players .
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Since someone had mentioned that a different code of lists might be interesting for a change (though personally, I have never been using the dull "black and white" scheme, but a more colorful one), I thought of this (and those who know, know):
belonging to the Coastal Seas: Shasta and Agan - lovers free-lands (innocent-looking): Greenie border-lands (not sure, but leaning more innocent): wilwa Mith - though I feel like she, too, has been omitted, at least by me; I have the feeling, however, that she hasn't been really commenting in much of a "relationship"-way, like, not expressing very much thoughts about particular players, but more like just always replying to somebody and voting in the way that it does not give much info either. wilderness (unsure about): Glirdan Elronhubbard Nerwen - I have actually looked through her posts, generally, but I cannot make up my mind on her now - will possibly need to check her again later when I feel more up to the task double wildernesses (something in between these two): Boro, though now when I was looking back at the thread, I am somehow getting more suspicious of him because of his general behavior - he looks kind of more like hiding something, a bit sneaky in the general approach, sort of giving the feeling that he knows more than he should. shadow-lands (Cobblers/Wolves): Loslote Lommy Anguirel - who is actually more likely to be a Wolf than a Cobbler, but then, he is not as suspicious as those listed below dark-domains (most likely Wolves, or more like Wolves than Cobblers): Nessa Phantom Since Nessa has already gained a vote, I might go for her. But I'll see yet if I haven't crossposted with anybody or anything... EDIT: no, I didn't.
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It's pretty late so I should probably do a quick list and then vote.
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Shasta&Agan - obviously. Elra - I can't really see much suspicious in anything she does. She seems genuine. No idea Greenie - hasn't rung any alarm bells except toDay. I'm trying to avoid being knee-jerky, but her vote for me seemed awfully like "hey let's pick a popular suspicion and see if it can be made into a bandwagon" especially as I really don't think she has a good reason to suspect me. Nerwen - she could be anything! An innocent, a wolf or a cobbler trying a smoother approach... anything. Wilwa - Glirdan's analysis made me really think her innocent, but after I wrote what I did about Glirdan (see below) I started to wonder if I have been talked into thinking this way. (I can just too well see a Glibbler spotting a Wolvarin and making an innocence promoting analysis of her.) Legate - rather funnily, he's quite safely under my radar. I hope he's innocent, but I wouldn't dare to bet anything. Anguirel - I thought him a cobbler yesterDay, toDay I'm not so sure. Yes, he might be misleading with all the talk about the dead thread instead of concentrating on more useful stuff, but I think that's probably just his style after all. He hasn't posted much toDay, though, so I think I need more to be certain. Cobbler vibes Glirdan - there's something funny about his manner, and his Day1 curiosities have been discussed lengthily enough for me to leave them out of here. Also, I can just so well see a cobbler trying to affect the village by posting analyses of people and intentionally interpreting stuff in a certain way. Lottie - mostly based on her Day2 behaviour and possibly for defending Nog yesterDay whatever she says. Has been quite reasonable toDay, though. phantom - like I've said before, the vibes he gives me are those of a cobbler trying to mess up with the heads of the villagers (not that he doesn't do that as an innocent ). But just all this misleading talk about the dead thread and wonderful-seeming strategies which have faults on closer look. I feel an innocent phantom would be sharper: not concentrate on minor things like the dead thread or make such non-waterproof startegies all the time. Boro - I believe I have stated enough reasons for this. Mith - I don't really like her way of intentionally misunderstanding me, plus her voting preferences have been seriously quite fishy this far: first the stab at a double lynch and yesterDay wanting to waste the village's chance of getting a wolf or a cobbler by voting BG. Wolf vibes Nessa - I haven't paid much attention to her, but everybody else seems to have done so and nothing I've seen people say about her makes me think her very innocent. I think either there's merit to all this suspicion flying around, or she's being attacked by cobblers and wolves because she's quite an easy target with those few quirky pieces of behaviour. Sally - she hasn't been around much, but the little I've seen isn't entirely convincing. Where's the funny all-over-the-place-Sally we see most of the time? This solemnity is ill-befitting and makes me suspicious. edit: xed with Agan and Legate
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Okay, not going to speculate about it... also noting, now Lommy's last post actually did look a bit better to me (more like her normal self).
++Nessa Good Night.
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Eww it's late. I should vote and go to sleep.
But I have a problem - my wolf suspects are very very vague, one is based on a rather rnadom impression and the other on others' opinions. My cobbler suspects (Boro, Mith, Phantom) are much stronger, but it makes more sense to vote a possible wolf than a cobbler. But on the other hand, rather vote a probable cobbler than a person you don't really suspect. Grr. Need to think. edit: xed with Legate
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Now I almost regret saying Lommy looks more innocent. I think it's far-fetched to put ed in the innocent category - she certainly has done little to make me think her innocent even if she hasn't been actively suspicious either (except her "Oh dear poor Shasta" thing which I don't particularly like because newbie wolves often feel very self-conscious about the kill or about being wolves in general and feel the need to express it in some way).
And I honestly don't see why Nessa is being suspected so heavily so I don't quite get why Lommy is getting wolf vibes from her (especially as she admits to feeling the same way about her). Granted, I wasn't suspicious of her last time she was a wolf, either - she just seems like the kind of player I accept with "that's just how she is" even if she is being suspicious. And sally is busy which should explain the absence of the funny sally.
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Would you all be super cross if I said I'd already decided who to vote for? :/
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Okay.... I'm here and trying to catch up!
Just post if there is anything that I need to know about right away or that you wish to ask me. I'll check the new posts every couple minutes.
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Phantom, you're pudding. That's all.
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I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Fea (and the other deadites) needs to stop posting in the dead thread. That's three times this evening I've almost mistaken it for this thread. Thus, Fea is/was clearly evil.
ETA: Happy now, Lommie?
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Green. She feels too smooth, if you know what I mean, and there's something fishy about her voting (she seems to be choosing the easy path). I am concerned about her. ed. Slipping under my radar, except for the bad-looking first post on day 2 (incidentally, I think it was Greenie who first brought it up, or if not first she's the one I remember). Lottie. Feels slightly off although not as badly as on day 1. Boro. Out of him and Lommy, he looks worse. It does look like he was trying to hint at her, and now that she's suspecting him because of it, trying to save his face. INNOCENT sally. I thought her innocent on day 1 and little has changed since, mainly because she hasn't posted much. I could have put her down as 'Either' but I would have felt bad about my innocent list being so short. Glirdan. Saying Shasta reminded him of Seertanis doesn't necessarily make him evil in my opinion. His posts look genuine to me... but I am incredibly bad at reading Glirdy. Nerwen. Has done nothing to merit suspicion so she's here although I know how good a baddie she can be. phanty. There are things which speak in his favour (his day 1 vote working to prevent a potential multiple lynch, his points against Nog yesterday, etc). I am not convinced of his innocence but he looks good enough for now, and besides he won't be my problem after today. EITHER Legate. Tending innocent, but his insistence about a cobbler lynch benefiting the wolves more than us is weird. Last time I played with him, I disagreed with him but he kept giving me really innocent vibes which hasn't happened in this game. Lommy. I keep flip-flopping on her. I understand the people who say she isn't being herself... but she isn't that different either, and why would she bus Boro if she thought they were baddies together? wilwa. Not enough substance to form an opinion. What I've seen looks innocent, but see what I just said about her a couple of posts ago - she's capable of fooling anyone. Mith. I honestly don't know about her. She always looks innocent to me, but people have been suspicious of her voting etc so I'm not confident enough to consider her totally innocent. Nessa. I don't see why all this suspicion, but she hasn't done much to make herself look innocent. Angu. I wasn't able to decide where to put him so he's quite literally here. I find it impossible to read him. I'd like to go through his posts but I have to leave for class in nine hours and I'd also like to get some sleep. DEAD Mänwe. Innocent enough, but why did he vote for himself instead of Nogrod? I will probably learn this toNight, but it will be too late. Nogrod. Cobbler or wolf. BG. Assuming ordo for now. Fea. Innocent.
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Suspicious stuff Nessa has done, according to the posts I just read:
- is wishy-washy, doesn't really say much, is just merisuing around and acting confused - wants to deadify helpful people (huh?) - wants to be grateful dead (we should grant her that, eh? ) - on Day1 votes knee-jerkily AND to deadify someone AND apologises for it Innocent-looking stuff she has done: - her confusion is so over the top it might as well be unfeigned - believes Nog (I think a wolf wouldn't have dared to support a seer reveal as questionable as Nog's) So, basically, her Day1 was really fishy, Day2 a little less so. ToDay she hasn't posted much. I'm going to hang around a bit more, but if I don't get any brilliant inspiration or valuable new evidence, I'm just going to vote Nessa because I don't really have anything better to go on as I'd prefer voting someone I suspct of wolvery, not of cobblery. I think it's our safest bet toDay - and to be honest, rather her than me anyway! Not that it's necessarily going to be a question of that, but I won't be here until deadline. edit: xed with Sallyx2 and Agan
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I was NOT wanting to lynch Nog at all at the start of the day, and even after he made his accusations I tried to engage him, but he refused to speak with me, then after things turned against him I specifically stated that I still wanted to lynch Lommy, and then later I specifically stated that I was not anxious to lynch him as that would be somewhat of a victory for a Cobbler! I was NOT hugely pressing his lynching, and in the end it was more a less a result of him being the only guaranteed baddie and there not being a viable option number two, as it would've required complete and total unity from all the remaining voters to put someone else past Nogrod. So really, Legate, your "opinion" about what happened yesterday is just completely wrong. You're looking mighty suspicious the way you're creating false reasons for suspicion. Quote:
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