WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

So what? You couldn't know he was the seer, anyway. It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

Yes, yes I could. Okay, no I couldn't, but he was being brutally obvious toward the end. I admit, I did a dumb and didn't put up a seer act before when I first suspected his role, but I had no way to know if he'd dreamt me, so an attempt to help could just hurt the village, much like it seems to be doing now.

Agan, your case makes no sense. None at all, and I know you know it. Grasp at a few more straws and you could at least call me the cobbler, but....nope, not really. I've been strongly for the lynching of Eomer (only lynching Greenie in case you and she had been setting him up or something) for Days now, trusting of the seer and have done nothing to suggest that I'm evil. I'm not that smooth, remember? I'd have been found out by now. Besides, you're the one who tried to lynch the "cobbler" Skip, and his hints of "why Agan said what she said" are, to me, pretty darn revealing as to his opinion of you. No, I'm not trusting Skip implicitly, but I also see no reason to doubt him when I agree with him. You're either Eomer's partner or Eomer's cobbler. You're guilty. You're evil. Period.

This is where I am, this is where I will stay. I will not be moved. Keep your "ho there". *cuddles Boro*

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If you can't defend yourself with fighting to kill a wolf and defending the seer, what can you defend yourself with nowadays?

Killing a wolf and defending the seer from a lynch are no proof of somebody's innocence. That's just the way it goes - especially when the player in question is someone as experienced and sneaky as sally.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And who's the cobbler you're planning to go after? Is it just me or is Lottie giving away her (wolfish) role? It's just, we can't "decide to go after the cobbler" if we don't know who they are.

If only wolves can go after someone they think is the cobbler, you just called yourself a wolf, m'dear.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

[satansaloser2005]

Call the question.

Repeat....

CALL THE QUESTION.


Aka let's vote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Aka let's vote.

Agan, then? Nerwen, are you going to vote Agan? Because if not, Agan can still vote Sally and kill her unless we all vote the same way.

[Nerwen]

Who, then?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Inziladun]

You lot are just determined to prevent me from writing the narrative early, aren't you?

DL in 5 minutes.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Agan, your case makes no sense. None at all, and I know you know it. Grasp at a few more straws and you could at least call me the cobbler, but....nope, not really. I've been strongly for the lynching of Eomer (only lynching Greenie in case you and she had been setting him up or something) for Days now, trusting of the seer and have done nothing to suggest that I'm evil. I'm not that smooth, remember? I'd have been found out by now. Besides, you're the one who tried to lynch the "cobbler" Skip, and his hints of "why Agan said what she said" are, to me, pretty darn revealing as to his opinion of you. No, I'm not trusting Skip implicitly, but I also see no reason to doubt him when I agree with him. You're either Eomer's partner or Eomer's cobbler. You're guilty. You're evil. Period.

To me it makes enough sense. I am sorry I didn't have time to make a proper case against you because that would have helped at least me to be more coherent and it might also have helped the rest of the village but no, this is all I have. As for skip, even if he thought I was the wolf, he had no proof and therefore his opinion doesn't matter - he's just another villager. And if I was the cobbler he wouldn't have known it even if he had dreamed of me. It's no use to resort to what he said in this. I am neither Eomer's partner nor Eomer's cobbler, but the way things seem to be, I'm probably going to be one of the few who votes for one of them. Argh.

[satansaloser2005]

Either one is fine with me. I think Agan's possibly the cobbler, because she's made herself quite the easy and obvious lynch.


Pitch?

[Nerwen]

Let's get started:

++Aganzir

EDIT:X'd with Sally and Agan.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If only wolves can go after someone they think is the cobbler, you just called yourself a wolf, m'dear.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

I at least knew who the cobbler I was going after was. Even though he turned out not to be the cobbler.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You lot are just determined to prevent me from writing the narrative early, aren't you?

DL in 5 minutes.

That's because we like you so much.

[Loslote]

++Agan

it is, then.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Either one is fine with me. I think Agan's possibly the cobbler, because she's made herself quite the easy and obvious lynch.


Pitch?

What the heck? I totally didn't. I'm fighting to stay alive - since when has that been "making oneself an obvious lynch"? If I die the village loses. Period.

[Aganzir]

I expect apologies when the game is finished!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I expect apologies when the game is finished!

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.

[satansaloser2005]

Bzah? Oh well, that's all right too then I suppose. Either way, my streak will remain intact. Either we'll win or we'll die, and I'm alive at end game. Nyah.

You know, it's fitting. Agan was trying to lynch the cobbler yesterDay, and now she may get her wish. Or Skippity will get his. Either way, hugs and puppies.


++Agan

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.

You can start now.

++sally

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What the heck? I totally didn't. I'm fighting to stay alive - since when has that been "making oneself an obvious lynch"? If I die the village loses. Period.

Well, I hope not, Agan, because– well, honestly, you've made yourself look pretty bad toDay– and if I'm wrong about you, we lose.

*crosses fingers*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.

Right after she gives them to me.

[Aganzir]

Well, good luck anyway.

[Inziladun]

DL. Stop.

[satansaloser2005]

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

....

....

That was misleading, wasn't it?


ETA: Huzzah! x'd with our modly one. To you, oh mod of modness, we kneel and humbly say, "Neener neener". <3

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

ETA: Huzzah! x'd with our modly one. To you, oh mod of modness, we kneel and humbly say, "Neener neener". <3

Neener, yourself.

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When the five remaining out of the original party of thirteen had found skip's body that morning, he'd scrawled the words "dreams" on the floor in what could only have been his own blood. That, coupled with things the group remembered him saying, led them to the conclusion he'd had a special gift, a gift that had told him which among the party were, or were not, the killers. Since he hadn't outright told them anything of the sort, they spent most of the day analysing his words, and who he'd wanted to send into the machine.
Accusations had flown, and the discussions became heated. Both the good and evil-hearted among them saw the light at the end of the tunnel now, and all fought hard for what they wished to achieve.

The decision at the end of the day was that Aganzir would be the next, and hopefully, the last one they'd have to put into the chamber.

"Why should I?" she said defiantly.

"Because three of us want you to," replied Nerwen.

"Go," said Lottie. "There are enough of us to make you, you know."

"You'll be sorry!" yelled Agan.

"Get in there!" said Sally, picking up a spray bottle filled with a clear liquid
that had been sitting on the console. She pointed it at Agan.

"You're kidding me!" she laughed. "Fine! Whatever! I'm going!".

Agan entered the chamber, and Sally quickly shut the door behind her.

"Do it, Lottie!" said Sally. "Make it 1666! Big fire and all in London!"

"You've got it!" said Lottie. She entered the year, and pressed the middle button.

"I did it for yooouuuu!" Agan wailed. "I tried to help you....Get them! Get them all!"

"GHHHKKTTT!" went the machine, and Agan had disappeared.

"What's in that bottle anyway?", Nerwen asked Sally. "Windex?"

Sally sniffed it. "Sure is!" she giggled.


The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie


The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5
Agan (Cobbler)- Became a firefighter Day 5

IT IS NIGHT 6 Wolf, do your thing.

[Inziladun]

Nerwen woke in her bed, puzzled. What had awakened her? Nothing appeared to be put of place.
The bedroom doors did not lock, but she had moved a chair under the doorknob to brace it. She lay there, listening. Then she heard it.

"Help.....meee," said a soft voice. It sounded like it was coming from the hall. She knew then that was what had disturbed her sleep.

Who is that? she wondered to herself. She couldn't tell. It could be a trick, she knew. Or it could be one of her friends lying wounded in the hall.

She struggled with herself, knowing it could be death to go out there, but also wondering how she could live with herself if someone was hurt and she hadn't helped them because she was frightened.

"Help...please....."

Nerwen made up her mind. Quietly she moved out of bed and tiptoed to the door to listen. She thought she heard soft movements outside. She silently removed the chair, and slowly opened the door.

Looking out of the doorway, she looked right, but saw nothing. To the left, by the stairs, she saw a form huddled on the floor.

"Help.....meee....."

She walked over to them, and began to reach out to see who it was. As she did so, with a gesture quick as lightening, a hand shot out and grabbed her throat with a viselike grip.

"Gotcha!" came a whisper from the floor.

The being on the floor held onto Nerwen too tightly for her to make a sound. It got to its feet.

"The good guys always take the chance to be a hero," the robot whispered.

Nerwen struck out at it many times, landing blows on its body and head, but they seemed to have no effect.

"We'll just make this easy, shall we?" it said.

They were at the edge of the stairs. The mechanoid picked Nerwen up and threw her over the balustrade, twenty feet to the marble floor below.

With Nerwen's last sight, she looked at the door to the dining room and hoped the others would make it.

The Living
Pitch
Sally
Lottie


The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5
Agan (Cobbler)- Became a firefighter Day 5
Nerwen (ordo)- Flying lessons were a failure Night 6

IT IS NOW DAY 6

[Loslote]

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.

And if you are, I'll kill you. I'm just sayin'.



We could at least let him come out and play though. *pets him* One last hurrah, if you will.

[Pitchwife]

Shall we go through the motions, then?

All right. With Agan revealed as the cobbler by death, it's obvious that my theory about you two as a cobbler-wolf duo was wrong and one of you must be an innocent who has been cunningly buttered up and manipulated by the wolf.
Looking at it from this angle, I'm forced to reconsider my suspicion of sally yesterDay. It's not conclusive at this point, but Lottie looks more like the manipulator than the manipulated from the way she's pushed sally's innocence.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually....


You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm basically a known innocent here.

But are you really? Lottie has gone to some lengths to make you look like one, but unless I'm too dumb to get it most of this was based on the argument that skip didn't suspect you on Day 4 and therefore wouldn't have dreamed you the Night he died - which is at best circumstantial evidence, not a proof. Short of skip rising from the grave and telling us who he dreamed, there is no such thing as a known innocent at this point; and it was precisely her insistence on this matter that made me think of her as the cobbler to your wolf.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

And vice versa. So which of you is it?

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched... but so far it's worked, hasn't it? The same for your pursuit of Eomer, with the difference that you only started it after Lottie had already suspected him for a while; and you didn't vote TEW.

Agan's vote for you yesterDay seems to speak for you, she'd hardly have attacked and voted the wolf at this time... except that with her own lynch guaranteed at the time she voted, it could be an attempt to make you look better. But she didn't know how the Day would end when she started to suspect you, so not that likely.

[satansaloser2005]

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

And vice versa. So which of you is it?

Indeed. I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway.

[Loslote]

I'm back, and I'm sorry for being so late - sleeping in, unexpected trip shoe shopping that I could hardly pass up, unexpected driving lesson that I would have liked to pass up but couldn't, and I actually put off finishing a couple of papers until after DL. This was, oddly enough, the earliest I could get on.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here.

Nerwen specifically stated that she thought the wolf/cobbler was either Pitchie and Agan, or Sally and me. Having been proved right about Agan, she would have had no qualms about going for Pitchie, and there was no way to frame her - nearly everyone agreed she'd probably been dreamed innocent. But you didn't - and still don't - trust me nearly as much. You voting for me is Pitchie's only chance. Nerwen would have voted for Pitchie. I will vote for Pitchie. You would not have voted for Nerwen, but there is some possibility of you voting me. Don't.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

But are you really?

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched...

As it happens, this is not an argument against my being a wolf. When I was a wolf, I gleefully (well, pretend gleefully) threw my packmates under the bus on Days 2, 3, and 4. As a Cursed Cobbler, I did quite a bit of heavy wolf-on-wolfing with my future packmate. This is just about your only point against me - that I killed wolves - and, sadly, it's almost a good point.

EDIT: xed with a couple of Sallys

[satansaloser2005]

This is heavy. o_O

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But he says nothing that doesn't, and we know he didn't dream Wolf 3 until last Night. I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf. It is true that she is a tremendous sneak and also capable of some very bold wolfing. But still, I'd need a better reason to vote her at this point than "general principles".

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.

Here's the post I was talking about. So, if the wolf was trying to pick between us, here is a comparasin:

1. Neither of us is going to vote Sally
2. Both of us think Pitchie is a wolf
3. Sally's not going to vote Nerwen...but she might vote me.

So compared with Sally, Nerwen enjoys even more known-innocent status, plus she doesn't state anywhere that she would be happy with any lynch yesterDay, like Sally does. Ergo, the only chance Pitchwolf has is to kill Nerwen and try to convince Sally to vote for me.

[satansaloser2005]

*whistles*

Hello? Am I alone again?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*whistles*

Hello? Am I alone again?

Nope! But you will be soon.

++Pitchwolf

Have a nice Day...

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. Pitch, are you even going to try to save yourself?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.

Question is, was this based on his dreams or his reasoning? In the latter, the seer is just as fallible as everybody else.
But you're right, I'd totally overlooked that. If he was right in this, it would simplify things a great deal for me, since we know that Agan was the cobbler - and I know I'm not the wolf.

Originally Posted by sally

I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway.

Now this really makes me trust in your innocence.

Originally Posted by Lottie

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.

No, I don't know that. And how can you know it (as in know, not 'believe' or 'be convinced') if you're an ordo? You realize I can turn this around?
Besides, every innocent knows they're innocent themselves, and every wolf knows who's innocent. By your logic, there would be no unknown innocents.

EDIT: x-ed with 1 Lottie and 1 sally

[satansaloser2005]

++pitch Pitch

I still love you?

[Pitchwife]

OK.

++Lottie