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04-10-2010, 08:27 PM | #441 |
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Yup, I think so. And three minutes for us to do it in.
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04-10-2010, 08:28 PM | #442 |
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++Glirdan
While I think both the popular candidates are suspicious.. I am not comfortable with how the Sally voting has gone, which gives me pause. X'd with Sally
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I am here again, but as I will not switch my vote I doubt if that's much help to you. *pets Sallycakes*
EDIT: Aw, man, I was planning to use my 1,000th post for something awesome... Ah, well.
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++ Sally
Edit: x-ed with Izzy and Lottie
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04-10-2010, 08:30 PM | #445 |
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What the....that doesn't even make sense. Not even commentary, just a vote?
You. Are. Bonkers. Oh, and because Wilwa's bothering me.... ++Glirdan
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04-10-2010, 08:30 PM | #446 |
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Nienna, Glirdan's a wolf. A WOLF! LYNCH HIM!@
I'm surrounded by mad people.
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04-10-2010, 08:31 PM | #447 |
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DL.
The narration will be up in two shakes.
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04-10-2010, 08:32 PM | #448 |
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Clearly this has all been planned by warriors from the village.
KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THEM! (Also, what the heck? I really was trying to help Lottie avoid a first-Day lynch because I know they suck. And I figured Leggie was the cobbler and we could bus him quite easily. Alas, no. Darn.) EDIT: Meep! x'd with the Moddess
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04-10-2010, 08:36 PM | #449 |
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Day 2 - End
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Alirin walked further and further from the mushroom and continued down the garden path. After a time she could hear some voices and was curious at whom she would meet next, hoping the conversation would not be cut short due to fatalities. She turned a bend in the path and came upon an odd house all covered in fur and with chimneys shaped like ears; the two windows and the door also looked like a face. Beside the house was an extremely long table scattered with dishes, and saucers, and cups, and teapots. Even though the table had many seats the three people sitting at it were all crowded close together. In the middle was a dormouse fast asleep, on one side was a hare and the other a man wearing a large hat, and the two were resting their elbows on the Dormouse as they spoke. “No room! No room!” they cried out when they saw Alirin approaching. “There’s plenty of room!” she responded, rather rudely, and sat down at the head of the table closest to them, without waiting for an invitation. They sat for a time without saying anything, which Alirin thought odd since they both seemed like the types who would like to chat. Just as she was about to start a conversation (though the weather would certainly not be the subject) the Hatter and the Hare began to sing together. Twinkle, twinkle little bat! How I wonder what you’re at! Up above the world you fly, Like a tea-tray in the sky. Twinkle, twinkle - - This is when the Dormouse shook himself and began singing in his sleep, “twinkle, twinkle, twinkle, twinkle...” and went on so long that the Hatter had to pinch him to stop. Another moment of silence occurred and then the March Hare decided to speak. “I’m bored; perhaps the young lady will tell us a story.” “I don’t think I know any!” Alirin responded, feeling alarmed at being put on the spot. “Then the Dormouse shall!” the Mad Hatter decided as he pinched the little creature awake. So the Dormouse awoke and began to tell his tale, with curious Alirin interrupting with questions all the while. “There were once three sisters who lived at the bottom of a well...” “What did they live on?' “Treacle.” after a moment of thought. “But they couldn’t have, they’d have been ill.” “And so they were. Very ill.” the Dormouse responded. “But why did they live there?” the curious little girl asked. “Because it was a treacle-well. And so the three little girls were learning to draw.” “What did they draw?” “Treacle.” he said, without hesitation. “I need a clean cup!” the Hatter announced, “move a place over!” And so they all got up and moved a place over. Once they were settled the Dormouse continued. “They also drew things that began with the latter M, like mouse-traps, and the moon, and muchness – you know, you say things are “much of a muchness” – and memory, and mobility, and mirrors and wolves.” “Wolves doesn’t start with an M, it starts with a W.” Alirin interrupted. “Yes, well a W is simply an M upside down; just as if you take the word “mouse” and turn it upside down you get the word “wolf”. So upside down I am actually a dorwolf.” He replied, as he started to dose off again. Before Alirin could say anything about how little sense this made, the March Hare spoke up. “Well, I didn’t know that about you!” he exclaimed. “Neither did I!” the Mad Hatter said. And so the two grabbed the sleeping Dormouse by the tail and held him upside down to see what would happen. After merely moments the little creature’s white fur began to turn brown, and large fangs were growing out of his mouth. Feeling afraid the Hare and the Hatter stuffed the transforming Dorwolf into a nearby teapot all full of tea. After holding down the shaking china for a few moments it quickly stopped. Alirin got up now from her large chair and ran down the path, feeling quite alarmed by the evil dormouse and its sudden demise, and starting to think that perhaps she’d like to go home now. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Dead Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1 Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2 Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2 Alive Glirdan – Mad Hatter Nogrod – Cheshire Cat Wintywinty – Tweedledum Isabellkya – White Rabbit Mira – March Hare Agan – Queen of Hearts Inzil – King of Hearts Shasta – Knave of Hearts Lottie – Duchess Nerwen – the Dodo Legate – Jabberwocky Morsul – the Mock Turtle Nienna – White Queen Skip – Humpty Dumpty Lommy – the Gryphon Greenie – White Knight Brinniel – Tweedledee It is now Night 3.
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04-11-2010, 07:28 PM | #450 |
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~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Alirin decided to stop running when she realised she was fairly far away from the mad tea party. She quickly found the garden path again and continued to walk, hoping that perhaps she could go home soon, or at least meet someone nicer and/or not dead. Soon she happened upon someone familiar. “The Duchess! The Duchess! Oh my ears and whiskers! She’ll get me executed as sure as ferrets are ferrets! Where could I have dropped them?” the White Rabbit was saying as he searched the ground; it was clear he had lost something, so Alirin started looking around. Soon the Rabbit noticed her. “Why, Mary Ann, what are you doing here? Run home this instant and fetch me a pair of gloves and a fan! Quick now!” So she did, heading in the direction that he nodded in, not wanting to correct him. Soon she arrived at a little house with the name W. Rabbit written on the front door. She ran in without knocking because she was scared to bump into the real Mary Ann. Soon she found herself in a little room with a table by the window and, as she had hoped, there was a fan and a pair of gloves sitting on top of it. As she grabbed the gloves and fan she noticed that there was also a little bottle full of a strange liquid, just like the one from the hall with the little door. Even though there was no label that said “drink me”, she decided to anyway, since she was hoping it would return her to her normal size. She drank down half and soon began to grow so large that she had to stick one arm out the window and a foot up the chimney! “It was much pleasanter at home,” Alirin said to herself, “when one wasn’t growing bigger and smaller all the time or being ordered about by mice and rabbits. I almost wish I had never gone down that rabbit hole – and yet – it is rather curious here! Perhaps a book should be written about me.” “Mary Ann! Mary Ann! Fetch me my gloves this moment!” she could hear the White Rabbit yelling from outside. That’s when he noticed that there was an arm sticking out his window and let out a little shriek. Suddenly there were pebbles being thrown at her so she reached out and tried to grab the White Rabbit to make him stop. She only just was able to grab him but he squiggled out and fell. All she heard was a loud thump. Everything was silent so Alirin looked around the little room. This is when she noticed that some of the pebbles had turned to cakes! She grabbed one up and decided to eat it, figuring she could not get any larger. She ate it up and soon had shrunk down to 16 inches high. Alirin ran down the stairs and out the door to see what had happened to the Rabbit. She looked around the outside of the house and came upon a large bush. She could see two white feet sticking out of the top of the bush, and it was clear they would not be moving. She had seen enough to know that she wanted to leave this place, so she continued to run down the path, hoping not to meet anyone else. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Dead Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1 Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2 Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2 Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3 Alive Glirdan – Mad Hatter Nogrod – Cheshire Cat Wintywinty – Tweedledum Mira – March Hare Agan – Queen of Hearts Inzil – King of Hearts Shasta – Knave of Hearts Lottie – Duchess Nerwen – the Dodo Legate – Jabberwocky Morsul – the Mock Turtle Nienna – White Queen Skip – Humpty Dumpty Lommy – the Gryphon Greenie – White Knight Brinniel – Tweedledee It is now Day 3. Posting may begin.
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If Glirdan's innocent and we lynched him we'd just lynch Sally today... So what pay off would there be to lie? To last One more day? I think Glirdan's a wolf... Sally I think was planning a False Seer reveal, just look at this post: The move only makes sense to gain our trust... Gaining one day isn't worth it. I mean 4 out of 16.... 3 out of 16 still gives us lots of time still I just don't see a one day gain worth it.
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04-11-2010, 07:40 PM | #452 |
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Well, looks as if I backed the wrong horse there. Glirdan could technically still be a wolf, but I doubt it. It's not so much his words toward the end of yesterDay that make him look better (I still say his attack looked evil), but this from Sallywolf:
That looks like real panic, trying to convince Nienna to vote Glirdan instead of her. If Nienna had done so and Glirdan was a wolf, the pack would be in the same situation they are now. That said, I fully intend to vote Mira toDay, barring some major developments. x/d with Morsul
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04-11-2010, 07:43 PM | #453 |
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Yeah but Inzil I think a false seer reveal would gain her more time than the one day gained from the lynch.
I don't understand the motivation otherwise.
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04-11-2010, 07:51 PM | #455 |
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I know this will be an unpopular move however I'm going with my gut on this one.
++Glirdan It got me one wolf so maybe It'll get me another.
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04-11-2010, 07:59 PM | #456 |
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Morsul, that line from Sally has been bothering me as well. I think that the chances are actually quite high that Glirdy is a wolf. She may have been thinking that if I switched and he was a wolf she would be redeemed or she could make a false seer-reveal and if she was lynched it could be passed off as the meaningless banter of a wolf trying to save herself.
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If he were an innocent, of course, she'd probably do the same, but my point is, don't write him off just because of what Sally said at endDay.
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The reason I voted Glirdan was that I thought his attack on Sally looked too aggressive and opportunitstic, and I really thought she'd probably turn out to be innocent. Can it be that easy?
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04-11-2010, 08:26 PM | #459 |
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List, considering...
Trust unreservedly:
Lottie Trust nearly unreservedly: Nog Zil Shasta Nienna Legate Lommy Trust more or less: Brinn Mira Nerwen Morsul Skip Unsure: Wintywinty Agan Suspect: Glirdan Greenie Will only vote those in the latter two categories. Preferably Glirdy. EDIT: xed
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Mostly because I've never thought of her as evil in the least. She's looked pretty good to me - but, now that you mention it, I can't recall anything that she's said or done. Maybe she needs to move back into my Unsure category...that thing just keeps growing.
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Morsul does make a good point and it's certainly a possibility. But it could go either way. It's also possible Sally was making a double bluff and he's in fact innocent.
Glirdan entered the Day late and went through the thread page by page. He started suspecting Sally from the very beginning, and I'm not sure it's clear whether he was aware she was ahead in votes when he was posting these opinions. Though if he were a wolf, I would suspect he would check the vote tally first....if innocent, maybe not. Would an evil Glirdan go after his packmate so eagerly from the beginning of his posts for the Day? If they were both wolves, it would make sense for them to go against each other at the very end since a wolf will be lynched either way. But I don't think Glirdan was a serious candidate until the end of the Day and he started suspecting Sally before that. I suppose if he saw the vote tally and decided she was a lost cause, he could've chosen to throw her under the bus to make himself look better. Hmm...this is something to think about. It seems quite possible Glirdan is indeed a wolf, but it's definitely something we can't be certain of. It'd be a really good idea to review both Sally and Glirdan's posts from the last two Days. Unfortunately, I will have to pass that task onto someone else as I need to write a debate due tomorrow I haven't even started. I'll be available for the next several hours to make brief comments, but I just won't have any time to write anything very substantial toDay.
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As for Glirdan, I agree with the points Inzil brought against him late yesterday, especially the one about this quote -
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I have an essay to finish writing, but directly afterwards I am going to analyze all of Glirdy's interactions with Sally, and then branch off and see if there are any posts of Sally's linking him to another wolf.
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So it seems Nienna's vote was indeed the deciding vote of the Day. If I counted correctly, the final tally was 8-6. Had Nienna voted for Glirdan instead, it would've been a tie at 7-7 and since Glirdan would've received the last vote, he would've been lynched. So what does this say about Nienna?
If Glirdan is a wolf, she could be anything. If Glirdan is innocent, it would seem more likely that Nienna is innocent. Of course, it is always possible a Nienna-wolf threw her packmate under the bus, though that would've been a bold move since she did have the opportunity to save her. She would have to be pretty confident her team would do just as well if not better without Sally, or believe that Sally would probably be lynched soon anyway so she might as well make herself look better. I'm just not sure how likely that scenario actually is. Btw, no one has mentioned Izzy's death. My first thought is she was an easy kill because she didn't receive much attention from most players. Though I wonder if there could be more to it. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to look through her posts too...if only I had the time.
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First, some comments on toDay. I'm not sure how much weight we can give to Sally's last words about Glirdy being a wolf. To me, at least, she seemed rather more like a wolf who knows she's going to die trying to make a mess before she goes. Looked at in that way, I don't think we should jump into conclusions based on anything she said - regardless of whether they are conclusions for or against Glirdy's guilt.
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Regarding your last quote, about Inzil, Greenie, I think I remember that quote. It was Inzil responding to someone else (don't remember who) who said that Nerwen was making good contributions, but later suspected her in the same post (it might have been Glirdan, but I could be wrong about that, it's 3 in the morning and I'm tired).
Even if you lost where you found that quote, the fact that you took that particular quote and quoted it in that sort of context bothers me, and seems like you're scrambling for a reason to suspect Inzil...
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Ugh, on second thought, I think I may be misreading what you said, but wrapping my mind around it at the moment is beyond me. x_x I'll have a look at it tomorrow - until then, just don't pay attention to my previous post. :-P
Or, alternatively, Greenie, maybe you could explain yourself a different way? That'd be great if you weren't too busy.
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(note: written about an hour ago, but Greenie had the net, so I only got to post it now...)
I think it looks like Glirdan was Sally's fellow wolf, not because of any seer reveal plot (I don't believe in that) but just because it looks like that. I think Sally could've tried to make Glirdan look better - or at least make us really divided about him - by attacking him so strongly in the end. What he said about Zil makes me feel it's pure bluff meant to confuse us, and means Zil's probably innocent. She wouldn't have dared to highlight two of her fellows that way. Also, Glirdan's attack on Sally was very wolf-on-wolvish, I think Sally's mates would've known she's in trouble and used that to their own advantage... (not necessarily all of them, but at least one or two. Which makes me think, ha, we have only lynched a cobbler and a wolf this far. Go us!) One more thing about Glirdan - although he looks very bad now, we should concentrate on other people too. There are two more wolves out there, and also, (let me be the Captain Obvious here) we might be wrong about Glirdy. Speaking of which, Morsul, I don't like your vote, not because it's for Glirdan but because it's given so early. It's foolish to vote before anything has basically happened, had you waited closer to the deadline, you'd have had one more Day's evidence to think about... And why's Izzy dead? She herself probably nailed it yesterDay, she said no one's really been suspecting her. And she could've also given the wolves gifted vibes, or even looked like the seer to them. When someone has time, it'd make sense to go through her posts. And by the way, I think it's rather amusing that the person who seems the fishiest to me by far is our known innocent. Now I'm off to reply some stuff from yesterDay... edit: xed with all Greenies and Shastas
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I'd like to got through all Sally's posts, not just the latter half of yesterDay. It would be educational, but I'm not sure I'll have the time. Maybe someone else could do it? Not that I would necessarily trust someone else's analysis... And someone could also look at what others have said about Sally... Brinn looks better now, in my opinion. She seems more laid-back and open to new thoughts, and she makes a lot of sense (although she always does). By the way I think the fact someone who voted Glirdy died slightly points at his guilt. Why? Because if Glirdan was innocent, I think the wolves would think voting him over Sally the wolf (especially on the last minute, like Izzy!) would look suspicious (from the wolf pow since they know Glirdy's alignment) and could be used against those people, so it'd make more sense to kill a Sally-voter since they have been part of butchering a wolf and thus look better. That is, if there was no other motive for killing Izzy, which there well might have been, though. xed with the same ones as before
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So, Sally was a wolf. Well spotted, friends! And this is very good, because now we have a little more information (useful or not) to work with. I'll attempt a little list having reviewed Day 2.
Glirdan – He came after Sally early, long before it became clear that either one of these two would die. I believe Glirdan proactively participating in lynching Sally is a sign of his innocence although not proof. At this point only a very shrewd wolf would actively go after a fellow wolf, because, let’s face it, a wolf lynched is a step towards a village victory, and an innocent lynched is a step away from that, there’s no getting around that simple fact. A wolf jumping on the bandwagon, yes why not, but actively working to make that bandwagon happen, I doubt it. I could be wrong and maybe that’s everyday business in the ww-world, but to me that feels like too much of a gamble for uncertain profits. For the moment Glirdan has redeemed himself. But what would the three other wolves do when it became apparent that their pack-mate was in trouble, as was the case with Sally? They can’t make any obvious rescue-attempts, because that would cast them in a bad light if or when Sally’s identity becomes known. But they would try to help their fellow if they could do it more subtly, as long as that help is easily explained away as being motivated by other factors. By voting for a new lynch-candidate, or by voting and arguing for a candidate that may seem suspicious to innocents but is known to be innocent by the wolves that help may be contrived with the aid of some luck. No such luck last night though, wolfies? Nogrod – Cheshire Cat Has not been on my mind much because I've seen little to make me worried. Will try to review his behaviour later. Wintywinty – Tweedledum Behaves a little erratic. Not sure what this means yet. Did vote Sally at a fairly crucial point. Mira – March Hare Suspiciously quiet and non-committing. A throw-away vote on day 2. A wolf? Could be... Agan – Queen of Hearts Got my eyes on her. It is curious that when Agan started the 'All innocent people should drop their retractable vote'-campaign, Sally was the first, and this far the only person to follow suit. Was this a plan that back-fired? Her voting-record is also a little suspect, especially on day 2 when she voted Inzil while downplaying the Sally suspicion somewhat. Could that be a careful attempt at helping a wolf-mate out of a tight spot? Maybe, maybe not. Inzil – King of Hearts Tough call. Voted for Glirdan when Sally's back was against the wall which may cast him into a bad light, but he could also have been on a honest wolf-hunt. Shasta – Knave of Hearts Non-committing and suspicious. Keeps a low profile with two throw-away votes. Lottie – Duchess Seem to be throwing a lot of wild accusations around. Was right about Sally though. Was that just dumb luck or brilliant perception? Nerwen – the Dodo Has been quiet and is hard to read. Voted Sally at an early stage on Day 2 which makes her look good. Legate – Jabberwocky Has shown commitment in the voting, not throwing away his votes but going after people who are likely to become lynched and also did vote Sally at a point when it mattered. I like that: an honest villager knows that people must die in order for us to to win the game. Morsul – the Mock Turtle Not too worried about Morsul at the moment. Voting and behaviour suggest innocence. Nienna – White Queen Had the chance to save Sally at the last minute but chose to pull the trigger. Was also one of the first, perhaps the first, to raise suspicions on Sally. Probably an honest villager. Lommy – the Gryphon Not sure where I have Lommy. Nothing overtly suspicious about her. Voted for Glirdan on Day 2. Greenie – White Knight Slightly suspicious I must say. May be busy in real life but I'd like to see her participating at bit more eagerly in the hunt. Brinniel – Tweedledee Has looked good and honest. Voted Sally at a crucial stage. Will try to have a more detailed look at some people later.
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