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06-06-2015, 12:02 AM | #441 |
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Eomer has been making a lot of cryptic statements today, hasn’t he? I wish he’d explain them.
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06-06-2015, 12:41 AM | #442 |
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I need to get to bed soon, but I've been making a lot of posts toDay and haven't been suspecting anyone. I think it's time to change that.
Kath is still playing, but barely. I have to feel that a wolf would be more active than two posts on Day 1 and nothing since. For lack of evidence to the contrary, she's in my innocent category. But if she doesn't vote toDay she'll be dead regardless. Mithalwen, on the other hand, is in the same sort of state I am where she's posting without contributing much. I don't much like this post of hers, because she's pulling what I'd say was an honest mistake from Agan and trying to pin it as deliberately misleading. I have to reserve judgment for now, but we'll see what she does toDay. I'm also not that big a fan of Firefoot or Lottie, but most of that could just be their laser focus on such a small number of people.
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06-06-2015, 12:58 AM | #443 |
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Sally sat alone and confused. With all of this death, and so much chatter about who may have done these horrible things, what hope did she have of helping solve the problem? Some even suspected her of perpetrating these crimes, as ridiculous a notion as that was, and she knew she had done precious little to convince them otherwise. Sally sighed, clutching her head in her hands and grumbling about headaches. She knew there was little she could do in her current situation. She had time now, certainly, but with an incoming attack from real life she couldn't escape, she would once again be limited in her ability to assist her friends. How could she help them?
And then, as Sally sometimes does, she began to sing to herself. ~~~~ I know I’ve been a little absent A lot has already been said What can I add to the discussion? Or rather, what could I bring to the thread? Not that you’ve been lying But there’s more you could be doing They could keep on trying Or you could set up a shoe-in You have an idea You know what you’re thinking What you need to do I won’t reveal I won’t give up the game You’re never there Why not ++ your name? It's way too soon I won't tell them my role I still think maybe I can do this I started with a good post count But posting while at work won’t happen Not without wanting to tear my eyes out You can’t keep delaying With no info, what will happen? And if you keep playing When will you have time for napping? Level with the village They could use the knowledge Girl, you got to -have to- spill They have no proof They can’t know I’m a- It’s too late now Give it up, you’re a- I want to play I won’t tell them my role When do you post? Do your most Share your role Not gonna lie Is it worth it? Don’t want to die Is it worth it? Just let them know That this lynch doesn’t count At least in prose I won’t tell them my role ~~~~ With a heavy sigh, Sally strolled off into the night in search of a certain unnamed someone. <3
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06-06-2015, 12:59 AM | #444 |
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Trust me, honey, I know these things.
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Alright, I'm finally back and back for good - my schedule is now free for the foreseeable future! I'll respond to a couple of things quickly, and then get down to more of my own thoughts in a later post.
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06-06-2015, 01:06 AM | #446 |
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I distinctly need to get to bed. I'll be back in the morning with a fresh brain and will read and respond as I catch up (again).
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06-06-2015, 01:12 AM | #447 |
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So sally, you being one of our pair of lovers, are you volunteering to walk the paths of the Dead, or are you waiting for someone to return to you?
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06-06-2015, 01:12 AM | #448 |
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Well! You'll have a lot to respond to, I imagine! Great reveal there, excellent work.
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06-06-2015, 02:10 AM | #451 |
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Okay. So that’s what you are, Sally. Let me think about this.
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06-06-2015, 02:22 AM | #452 |
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We could certainly do with some information– and now the wolves will be searching frantically for Sally's lover, so the longer we delay her death the more chance she has of not getting resurrected at all. On the other hand, or paw, she isn’t a wolf. (At least, I don’t see why a wolf-Sally would be making a false reveal right now.)
Also, I concur with McCaber in thinking Greenie is the one the Dead should check. I think that would tell us most.
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What do we do? I mean, if she is what she is, that's a known innocent. But would the Wolves go for her, when they could be going for the Seer or the other Pack? And do we dare use up a lynch for a known innocent? Although I think the reveal is a bit too early, it's not bad. Considering the anomalous deaths of the previous diurnal cycle, it would be useful to know what the other side knows--provided her Lover survives in time for her to return. Kuru-sama, were there any gender biases on the Lovers, or were they chosen purely at random? Maybe the Wolves just go after *gulp* males if even if we lynched her.
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Well this is a pretty kettle of fish. First-off, the deaths yesterDay..
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Given my narration obsession, then yes, I too wondered about this. Particularly as my feeling had been that Greenie was innocent. Was Agan on the side of the angels or was hers the 'special role' - alignment unspecified and possibly thus evil? Was one of Legate , Mac or Rikae in fact the Hunter, taking one of the other two down with them? This is unlikely however as the 'itch' is still there in the narration which indicates that the special person is still alive... I then wondered about the killing of Legate, in the light of his post which Firefoot helpfully reposted. Note that there are three people he names as innocent (green), and one (Greenie) as guilty (red). That makes four. At this point in the game the Seer would indeed have had four dreams. Did a clever Hunter Agan spot this and use his tip to kill a Greenie-wolf? That might be a better scenario. Although it does mean we have lost two gifted. (PS Greenie, if you are reading this, and you were a wolf, hats off to you, you had me completely fooled) This morning btw I am really liking Firefoot's posts - she's made a lot of sense and her points feel like those an innocent would make. As for Sally's reveal (cutest reveal ever btw!) I feel a bit nervous. What if we send her to Mandos only for her other half to be killed either by wolves or heaven forfend, by clumsy lynching choices, in the meantime?
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06-06-2015, 02:47 AM | #456 |
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So, I don’t think we have any excuse to give up hunting for the Day. I’d like opinions on people. Starting with Nilp here. Why ask what he just asked?
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06-06-2015, 02:49 AM | #457 |
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Ooo...another thought. Maybe the special role is a wandering one, going from person to person each day or night. Remember, everyone has to have their wits about them, say the rules.
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06-06-2015, 02:51 AM | #458 |
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And another thought - if my Legate-as-Seer thesis is correct, then we should be trusting Lommy, Nerwen and Mith?
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06-06-2015, 02:59 AM | #459 |
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What fresh hell is this?
Oblique poetry just as I was beginning to enjoy the lack of philosophy. Worth a lynch vote alone. Agree would be an odd fake reveal for a wolf but this is an odd game.
The itch thing is puzzling me to. The only itch in Tolkien I can think off is Sam anyway suffering in the Midgewater marshes but that doesn't really help.Suppose better trawl through in the light of recent events. ...
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Seriously I fear you’re likely right about Legate– that’s one of the main reasons I want to know what Greenie was. Mind you, even if she turns out to be evil, it might mean only that the wolves (and Agan) *thought* Legate was the Seer– which in this game means the “green zone” people shouldn’t get an automatic pass just yet. By the way, didn’t Agan say something on Day One about how gifteds should signal to each other? Edit:x’d since Lalaith at #458.
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06-06-2015, 03:22 AM | #462 |
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It might but that would hint at the seer more than KnownUnknown. And if Legate were the Seer then why is someone scratching this morning.. did someone shave a dwarf?
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06-06-2015, 03:26 AM | #463 |
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Ah, well, that’s a point. Everyone’s been assuming the ”itcher” was the special role.
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06-06-2015, 03:31 AM | #464 |
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06-06-2015, 03:38 AM | #465 |
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Just a quick post--I seem to have my technological means back toDay, so I should be around in the last several hours, though I'm off to work for now.
Someone--I've already lost whom in catching up--pointed out that people voted for Agan on back-to-back days. This isn't a surefire indicator of lupinity, but taking Day 1 hunches and doggedly following them on Day 2 is as likely to be a cover of a furry bandwaggon as not. Also, Eomer is coming across far more cryptically today. I don't know what that means...
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06-06-2015, 03:42 AM | #466 |
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Now, what do people think of our little snow flower, Lottie? Rikae went after her yesterDay, and now Rikae's dead, so….?
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06-06-2015, 03:53 AM | #467 |
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Nerwen, that link isn't working for me..could you check it or just give a number ref? Cheers.
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06-06-2015, 04:03 AM | #468 |
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Okay, I’ve fixed it.
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06-06-2015, 04:15 AM | #469 |
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She says a lot including the comment that "I am not going there (the dead thread) alone" (my italic). To my mind that is as good a hint as you could get that she is the hunter and given that her death triggered Greenie's I think that is more likely than the special role the bear trap quote not withstanding.
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Okay first - my participation will be limited toDay as I'm out of the city for the weekend with friends (including Agan who keeps having helpless bursts of laughter while reading the dead thread. Very reassuring.) Anyway I do have internet here but I'm not expected to sit all day with my laptop playing werewolf...
Second - it seems I was wrong about the aforementioned deceased giggler. I'm honestly quite baffled because I still think her actions were pretty incriminating, but unless one of the wolves of each pack is blessed with the hunter's gifts without that being said in the rules, I have obviously been mistaken. I guess I'm starting to understand what Agan meant when she once jokingly said she always plays like a wolf even if she's an innocent... As for Greenie - well we can hope she was a wolf, but we can't really assume that. More on Greenie later. Third - last Night: what on earth?? I'm still leaning towards the interpretation that Agan was the hunter (because otherwise the mysterious special role would be very similar to that of the hunter) and the special role bloodied their hands last Night. I agree that the special person killing Mac seems the most likely, but I'll still sacrifice a thought or two to that. If I have the time, I'd so skim through all the Night killed people's posts. People talking about the dead thread scrying people - before we start thinking if we can give them any instructions, we should check what the rules say: (there seemed to be some confusion, also in my own head) Quote:
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06-06-2015, 05:25 AM | #471 |
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Talk of lynching a lover should be dismissed. Period. You all were up in arms Day 1 about the thought of tying the vote for no-lynch because it spoils the random 25% chance of lynching a wolf. Now you want to lynch a possible lover?
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I agree that we definitely need to think this lynching Sally business over. So nobody jump in and vote for her yet, please. I’d find that very suspicious, actually. Lommy, I’ve been asking what people think of various people. What do you think of Nilp? And Lottie? I have a particular reason for wanting to know. EDIT:x’d with Boro.
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06-06-2015, 05:34 AM | #473 |
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You too, Boro.
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06-06-2015, 05:40 AM | #474 |
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I will explain fairly soon, but I just want some opinions first.
Also, what do people think of Eomer? And Firefoot?
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06-06-2015, 05:44 AM | #475 |
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Oh yes, and Boro himself, and the late Macalaure.. Come on, what do you all think about them?
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I think I like you.
Also, the punchline will have to wait.
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06-06-2015, 05:48 AM | #477 |
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Step up, don't be shy!
EDIT:x'd with Nilp.
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06-06-2015, 05:54 AM | #478 |
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Oh hello, Nilp.. Look, what do you mean by listing people under "koala"? Do you mean they roar loudly during the Night?
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06-06-2015, 05:56 AM | #479 |
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Also, I keep forgetting the most important thing about this stupid (and incredible) game:
Even if the Wolves kill the other Lover, they wouldn't know it unless Sally gets killed as well and doesn't return. (Of course, another reason Sally wouldn't have returned from the Dead in such a case would be if she were indeed bluffing.)
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Nerwen -
I have been sort of ignoring Nilp (sorry dear!) all game as he has seemed fairly innocent to me. Now that I stop to think about him, I guess it's also possible he's furry. I recall a game maybe two years ago when I also kept ignoring him thinking he's innocent and he turned out to be a wolf who had fooled everyone. He's similar to how Greenie was (is??) in my mind - innocent-seeming, but maybe even too much so. I ended up being unsure about Greenie. I feel the same about Nilp. As for Lottie, she's been similarly off my radar, but unlike Nilp, not on the innocent side. She's seemed a little fishy to me, but not really in a pin-pointable (sorry for that word ) way. I've been partly ignoring it too because I always get suspicious vibes from Lottie anyway. The same way I've been sort of ignoring the debate around her because similar controversy about her always occurs. Lastly, I was also personally finding Lottie suspicious yesterDay for taking part in the weird Nogawagon that happened to save Agan who was my top suspect, but that reasoning is obviously ditched now. The bottom line? I have of lumping Nilp and Lottie in the "vaguely innocent" and "vaguely suspicious" categories respectively for later consideration and now that I'm sort of doing the "later consideration" by writing this post, Nilp seems a little more furry and Lottie a tiny bit less suspicious (mostly thanks to Agan's innocence) but I don't really know. edit: xed with a bunch
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