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07-12-2006, 04:12 PM
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Need a clue?
Think inspiration 
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03-05-2007, 04:39 PM
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Inspiration, huh?
Well, in the hope of reviving this thread, I'll guess the Window on the West. Where Sam was inspired to... to... Aha, he was inspired to reveal himself and Frodo to Faramir, like Gwindor revealed himself to Beleg... uh, Turin. I don't know. 
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03-05-2007, 06:42 PM
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Ahh... that was a long time... it's a miracle I still remember what I had in mind...
Anyway, no. But I will give you a hint. Think names. Want another hint? That previous hint was rather big.
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03-05-2007, 09:42 PM
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Names... names...
(muses to self) Gwindor sang a song for Beleg at Eithel Ivrin, and named it after Belthronding... he also told Turin his own name while they were there. Sam made up a couple of songs too, one at the trolls on the way to Rivendell, and one in the Tower in Mordor... Argh. Am I on the right track at all? Another possibility is this thread expired? 
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03-07-2007, 09:43 AM
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Haunting Spirit
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Well, you are getting closer. Kind of.
But no songs. Just names. Names are important, not so much the object they are given to, or things connected to that. But names. Let's take Eithel Ivrin. Can you think of another name similar to that?
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03-08-2007, 09:38 AM
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... Emyn Muil?
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03-08-2007, 03:02 PM
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No.
Let's see. Places have names, people have names, things have names. And sometimes, the name of one might inspire a name for another.
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03-09-2007, 03:14 AM
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Lórien?
Eithel Ivrin inspired Gwindor to name Finduilas Faelivrin and Lórien inspired Sam to name his daughter Elanor?
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03-09-2007, 10:17 AM
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Actually I meant the flower elanor itself, but it's close enough, so...
Your turn!
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03-13-2007, 01:58 AM
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Fingon is to Maedhros
as ______ is to Beren.
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03-13-2007, 04:56 AM
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Carcharoth?
A funny idea, really! "Here, let me give you a hand..."
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03-13-2007, 05:06 AM
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You're right of course.
I thought that maybe I should have written "Fingon is to Fëanor as ______ is to Barahir" but I thought it might have been a bit too difficult (but now I'm not so sure anymore...  )
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03-13-2007, 10:25 AM
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Wow, no, it could have been even better! You can try something like it next time
Anyway... hmm... *scratches head* Bilbo is to Thorin as _______ is to Saruman
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03-13-2007, 10:32 AM
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Bilbo betrayed Thorin by stealing the Arkenstone, while Grima betrayed Saruman by stabbing him and by giving information to the Nazgul
So maybe it's Grima
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03-13-2007, 10:35 AM
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No, not what I had in mind.
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03-13-2007, 10:36 AM
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ok, maybe Bilbo was a burglar, but also a spy for Thorin and Bill Ferny worked as a spy for Saruman in Bree
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03-13-2007, 10:56 AM
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Nope, still not the right one. Bilbo, after all, was not Thorin's servant...
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03-13-2007, 11:30 AM
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Perhaps it's Lotho Sackville-Baggins
Bilbo was Thorin's host at Bag End, and so was Lotho, for a short while at least for Saruman before being killed by Grima
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03-13-2007, 11:49 AM
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Interesting, but still not what I had in mind.
More exactly I might say that what represented Bilbo to Thorin, the same represented _______ to Saruman.
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03-13-2007, 02:09 PM
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Hmm...well
Bilbo probably represented a travel companion to Thorin So to Saruman...perhaps Alatar and Pallando could be the answer...?
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03-13-2007, 02:40 PM
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Bilbo was also something else to Thorin. But you are on right track. Try to think of something more... personal.
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03-17-2007, 10:34 AM
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Hmm...
Bilbo helped Thorin recover Erebor, while Steward Beren allowed Saruman to stay in Orthanc
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03-17-2007, 11:47 AM
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No, this is not correct. Hmm... if someone requests it, I might post a hint (but bearing in mind that when I post it, it might become too obvious. But maybe I am mistaken and it will not).
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03-17-2007, 01:09 PM
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I'd like a hint, since there are many things that come to mind right now
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03-17-2007, 01:33 PM
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Okay... I hope this would be of help: look at the beginnings.
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03-17-2007, 04:07 PM
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Radagast perhaps?
Bilbo helped Thorin not knowing exactly what to do, and radagast helped Saruman without knowing exactly it'll lead to
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03-17-2007, 04:51 PM
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Yes, actually the connection I had in mind between them was that both Radagast and Bilbo were "unwanted companions" for Saruman&Thorin (Bilbo at start, at least) - but Radagast is correct answer.
Good job, Gil-Galad. Your turn.
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03-25-2007, 08:44 AM
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Gil-Galad?
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03-25-2007, 01:19 PM
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totally forgot about this thread...
Turin is to Daeron as Bilbo is to _______ hope that makes some sense...
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03-25-2007, 01:22 PM
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the Sackville-Bagginses?
A really annoying person, almost a rival, living nearby. I think this fits?
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03-25-2007, 02:07 PM
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I would say to Gollum
Turin took Luthien, Daeron's one true love, just like Bilbo took the Ring from Gollum
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03-25-2007, 02:40 PM
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03-25-2007, 03:39 PM
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 Oops...now that's embarassingDunno why but after seeing Legate's answer I thought it's Beren and not Turin But this makes me wonder...what is Turin to Daeron...??? They never met, Turin was 2 at the time that Daeron left Doriath and eventually ended up in Eriador... All they had in common is the fact they both spent time in Doriath, but they weren't really directly connected
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03-26-2007, 01:13 AM
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Oh... it's my fault, actually. Because I mistook Daeron with Saeros
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03-26-2007, 07:28 AM
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Well, I have thought about it for some time, and I've only managed to find one likely answer...
Maybe it's Celebrian Turin (a Man) came to Doriath (elvish kingdom) after Daeron (Elf) left it for ever, and afterwards left it as well. Bilbo (a Hobbit, but also belonging to Men) came to Rivendell (elvish "kingdom") after Celebrian (Elf) left it for ever, and afterwards also left.
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03-26-2007, 07:31 AM
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actually its my fault... i have mistaken Daeron for Saeros... sorry... but Legate did anwser first so i guess it is his turn again my bad, been really out of my mind all weekend...
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03-26-2007, 07:38 AM
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I'm confused...what was the answer you were looking for then?
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Great! Add to this that TM mistook Túrin for Beren and...  Okay, so I am to think of the next? Here it is: Gothmog is to Fingolfin as _______ is to Eärnur (Warning before all, there is no mistake in this riddle.)
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03-26-2007, 02:25 PM
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Well...I have a pretty complicated idea, but here goes
I'd say it's old age. Fingolfin was High King of the Noldor The one to slay his succesor, Fingon, was Gothmog. Earnur was King of Gondor. The one to bring death to his succesor, Aragorn II, was old age...
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03-26-2007, 02:48 PM
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Nooope.
I see you grew quite fond of the Esty (Falbala) smilie.
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