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Nerwen · 12-15-2007, 09:09 AM

In that case is it Umbar? It had that monument to the defeat of Sauron.

It would have to be in the late first millenium, though.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-15-2007, 09:13 AM

Indeed, it's Umbar. I was really wondering if no one knows about the monument.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

It would have to be in the late first millenium, though.

I couldn't have written, of course, "since year XY" because then it would've been obvious. Nevertheless, as long as Umbar was free, it was in my opinion obviously a destination every citizen of Arnor and Gondor must have dreamt of visiting.

You may continue this thread, Nerwen.

Nerwen · 12-15-2007, 05:47 PM

I'd have guessed Umbar first, only I wasn't sure about the dates.

Who was the father of Roäc?

The Might · 12-16-2007, 03:56 AM

Cärc or something I think.

Nerwen · 12-16-2007, 05:22 AM

Yes... but without the umlaut.

Your turn.

The Might · 12-16-2007, 11:16 AM

ORLY?

What was "West-wings"?

Nerwen · 12-17-2007, 12:40 AM

Aldarion's ship?

(You have me at a disadvantage with UT.)

The Might · 12-17-2007, 08:57 AM

Yes, although it wasn't originally.

Nerwen · 12-17-2007, 09:17 AM

Yes, I know it belonged to someone else first, but I can't remember his name.

To what do Orofarnë, Lassemista and Carnimírië refer?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2007, 09:31 AM

These were trees (certain ones that used to grow in Fangorn).

Nerwen · 12-19-2007, 09:35 AM

Yes– specifically, they're poetic names for the rowan.

Your turn.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2007, 11:53 AM

Aulë, Oromë, Yavanna, Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna), Manwë + Varda (or Irmo).

What am I talking about?

Nerwen · 12-19-2007, 05:54 PM

Uh... Is Oromë meant to be in there twice?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-21-2007, 04:19 AM

Yes, he is. There is this variant in parentheses behind him. *hint hint*

Nerwen · 12-23-2007, 02:08 AM

'Nother hint, please.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-23-2007, 04:51 AM

Oh my, don't tell me no one knows. Had I seen this line of names anywhere, that would be the first to pop up in my mind. It's what I consider a common knowledge among at least middle-Tolkien-educated fans.

The parentheses are variant writings. But even the first three should be obvious.

These are names of Valar, right? And that is all you need to know. Of WHICH Valar?

The placement of the names is based on something, though not necessarily to bother with that for solving the riddle. Because it also could be in different order, depending. Though I believe Aulë should be on the first place.

That was a hint.

Gwathagor · 01-10-2008, 10:55 PM

Um. In order of power from least to greatest? Maybe?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-11-2008, 04:18 AM

Nay. Why would Oromë be there twice? And why would there be the parentheses? Btw the fact that Oromë is there twice, or in other words, there are two Oromës (includes hint), could help you if you think about it.

Okay, maybe if I write it another way, it will be more apparent:

1. Aulë
2. Oromë
3. Yavanna
4. Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna)
5. Manwë + Varda (or Irmo)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-05-2008, 11:29 AM

*sigh* *eeek* That's just too bad. Reviving this thread if just anybody was in the mood to continue it...

I wonder anyway, if the question I posed was so hard - it's quite simply by itself - you have five names of Valar (or sometimes it's several names at once, but together, the pairs or singles or whatever still make up five), and also the names are chosen from among the Valar in the way that one has to just wonder what connects these Valar?

Azaghâl · 10-07-2008, 05:37 AM

These are the names of the Valar associated with the five Istari, according to Unfinished Tales.

1. Aulë - Curumo
2. Oromë - Alatar
3. Yavanna - Aiwendil
4. Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna) - Pallando
5. Manwë + Varda (or Irmo) - Olórin

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-07-2008, 11:53 AM

Very good! You are really good - and lately almost the only one

- in answering my riddles, Azaghal. Please, could you give us a new riddle then?

12-15-2007, 09:09 AM	#401
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	In that case is it Umbar? It had that monument to the defeat of Sauron. It would have to be in the late first millenium, though. Last edited by Nerwen; 12-15-2007 at 09:17 AM. Reason: Adding a comment

12-16-2007, 03:56 AM	#404
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Cärc or something I think. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-16-2007, 11:16 AM	#406
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	ORLY? What was "West-wings"? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-17-2007, 08:57 AM	#408
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yes, although it wasn't originally. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2007, 09:31 AM	#410
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	These were trees (certain ones that used to grow in Fangorn). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-15-2007, 05:47 PM	#403
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I'd have guessed Umbar first, only I wasn't sure about the dates. Who was the father of Roäc?

12-16-2007, 05:22 AM	#405
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Yes... but without the umlaut. Your turn.

12-17-2007, 12:40 AM	#407
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Aldarion's ship? (You have me at a disadvantage with UT.)

12-17-2007, 09:17 AM	#409
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Yes, I know it belonged to someone else first, but I can't remember his name. To what do Orofarnë, Lassemista and Carnimírië refer?

12-19-2007, 09:35 AM	#411
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Yes– specifically, they're poetic names for the rowan. Your turn.

12-19-2007, 11:53 AM	#412
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Aulë, Oromë, Yavanna, Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna), Manwë + Varda (or Irmo). What am I talking about? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2007, 05:54 PM	#413
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Uh... Is Oromë meant to be in there twice?

12-21-2007, 04:19 AM	#414
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, he is. There is this variant in parentheses behind him. hint hint __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-23-2007, 02:08 AM	#415
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	'Nother hint, please.

12-23-2007, 04:51 AM	#416
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Oh my, don't tell me no one knows. Had I seen this line of names anywhere, that would be the first to pop up in my mind. It's what I consider a common knowledge among at least middle-Tolkien-educated fans. The parentheses are variant writings. But even the first three should be obvious. These are names of Valar, right? And that is all you need to know. Of WHICH Valar? The placement of the names is based on something, though not necessarily to bother with that for solving the riddle. Because it also could be in different order, depending. Though I believe Aulë should be on the first place. That was a hint. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-10-2008, 10:55 PM	#417
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Um. In order of power from least to greatest? Maybe? __________________ Stories and songs.

01-11-2008, 04:18 AM	#418
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Nay. Why would Oromë be there twice? And why would there be the parentheses? Btw the fact that Oromë is there twice, or in other words, there are two Oromës (includes hint), could help you if you think about it. Okay, maybe if I write it another way, it will be more apparent: 1. Aulë 2. Oromë 3. Yavanna 4. Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna) 5. Manwë + Varda (or Irmo) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-05-2008, 11:29 AM	#419
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	sigh eeek That's just too bad. Reviving this thread if just anybody was in the mood to continue it... I wonder anyway, if the question I posed was so hard - it's quite simply by itself - you have five names of Valar (or sometimes it's several names at once, but together, the pairs or singles or whatever still make up five), and also the names are chosen from among the Valar in the way that one has to just wonder what connects these Valar? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-07-2008, 05:37 AM	#420
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	These are the names of the Valar associated with the five Istari, according to Unfinished Tales. 1. Aulë - Curumo 2. Oromë - Alatar 3. Yavanna - Aiwendil 4. Oromë (or Mandos + Nienna) - Pallando 5. Manwë + Varda (or Irmo) - Olórin

10-07-2008, 11:53 AM	#421
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Very good! You are really good - and lately almost the only one - in answering my riddles, Azaghal. Please, could you give us a new riddle then? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories