WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Agan

What's this thing with Mr. Agreeable? Is he always very agreeable as a wolf?

I'm a bit surprised nobody's told you yet. People find me 'too agreeable' or something similar at least once in almost every game. Greenie coined the name in Legate's last game (when I was indeed a wolf), and it stuck; but it happened before and after, too.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Apart from the obligatory "I wouldn't do this if I was a wolf", what if you'd thought he was neither cobbler nor seer but just an ordo who happened to behave sufficiently cobblerish to make a tasty lynch?

Of course that would have been possible as well, especially after I said that the more people try to look like the cobbler, the less likely the wolves spot her... Hindsight 20-20. But I do tend to be a bit single-minded when I pursue people.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I'm a bit surprised nobody's told you yet. People find me 'too agreeable' or something similar at least once in almost every game. Greenie coined the name in Legate's last game (when I was indeed a wolf), and it stuck; but it happened before and after, too.

Actually, I have first-hand information - I know I've talked with you about it. I would just have liked to hear how Lottie explained using it against you... And still do. Because at least I am under the impression it's not only when you're a wolf that you're agreeable, but even if it was, I don't think you've looked too agreeable so far.

Okay we start roleplaying now which means I won't be around as much. Will check the thread every now and then, and will most likely be here around deadline, though.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Would you mind giving some evidence? Otherwise this looks just like a standard prefab reason-to-suspect-Pitch-whatever-he-is. It's getting stale.

It's not a reason to suspect you; it's shorthand for the general impression I have of you. You're right; it's certianly no basis for a vote, and would only fly as basis for suspicion on Day 1. Here's some real reasoning:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Actually, I have first-hand information - I know I've talked with you about it. I would just have liked to hear how Lottie explained using it against you... And still do. Because at least I am under the impression it's not only when you're a wolf that you're agreeable, but even if it was, I don't think you've looked too agreeable so far.

Actually, as an innocent, Pitchie's much more in the thick of things, suspecting people with the best of them.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Conclusion: Inconsistency between suspicions and vote in Agan's case, and wilwa could be either/or; rest looks decent for Day 1.

After analyzing the Day 1 votes for people other than TEWie, he concludes with mild suspicion towards Agan and Wilwa, neither of which could be his packmate, and concludes that everyone else looks 'decent'. Hardly incriminating, but it does look like he's treading a little bit softly.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Mine as well. There's something going on here.


You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?)

Here he agrees with me that there's something off about Eomer and Skip's exchange. He banters/suspects Eomer slightly here in such a way as could look like wolf-on-wolf, or could be entirely innocent.

(Aside to Pitchie: The novelty wore off. )

Unfortunately, I don't have time to go through all of his posts. This is just the Day that stood out to me most. As it is, I wouldn't particularly suspect Pitchie on his own, but he makes the top two most suspected list simply because I don't think Skip would have dreamt of anyone besides Agan, Pitchie, and me. And I know who I am - that is, not the last wolf. My vote will go to one of those two.

[Pitchwife]

Some thoughts about sally (admittedly fragmentary, not even attempting a full analysis of our Queen of the Post Count):

Her strange insistence on Day 3 that

Originally Posted by sally#221

either Eomer or Greenie HAS to be a wolf

has already been commented on. Granted that Eomer looked a lot furrier after Greenie was revealed as innocent, the way he'd been after her, but given that sally supported Greenie's lynch, and supposing she was Eomer's packmate, she would have planned ahead and prepared to distance herself from him afterwards, wouldn't she?

Her almost-fake-reveal yesterDay just before DL (#374) looks very much like an attempt by an innocent to protect the seer by baiting the wolf to kill her instead... only the pun about 'baited breath' in her post-DL post #381 undoes it. And a wolf trying to make herself look good would of course have known she wasn't really in danger to get killed.

Then there's her first post of toDay, the farewell to skip, which is very sallyish, only, I don't know, somehow a bit overdone in it's tear-drowned way of saying "Of course I knew he was the seer all along, I so would have liked to save him (only I didn't), I'll avenge him", read: "I'm so totally obviously not the one who killed him." Looks forced to me.

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Lottie, apparently, began yesterDay convinced that Eomer was a big bad wolf (which he was) and prepared to plant the idea that I'm his packmate (which I'm not), starting the 'Mr Agreeable' routine with #271. But when skip voted Eomer, her reaction was

Originally Posted by Lottie #373

But I still don't know why you're pressing this.

in answer to this:

Originally Posted by skip#370

No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!

So did she really not understand why he was pressing to lynch the one who had been her her own main suspect for the last two days? Or was she trying to force him to reveal explicitly so the last wolf would know who to kill?

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Agan's defense of Eomer yesterDay, and her continued cobbler-hunt for skip are a strong point against her. As for the latter, I think it entirely possible that Aganwolf could have used the accusation of cobblery as a pretense to get an innocent lynched, even if she had no idea he was the seer. As for the former, I wonder - there must have been a predictable chance yesterDay that Eomer would get lynched, given that he was heavily suspected, so wouldn't it have made more sense for a packmate to distance herself from him?
If she's the cobbler, by the way, her support of me is sadly (or luckily) misguided.

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Finally, Nerwen. I'm not sure that one comment by skip is sufficient evidence to clear her as a dreamed innocent - but I've got nothing on her, and I'm running out of time.


So, where is everybody? I haven't got all night.

EDIT: x-ed with Lottie.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

So did she really not understand why he was pressing to lynch the one who had been her her own main suspect for the last two days? Or was she trying to force him to reveal explicitly so the last wolf would know who to kill?

You mean, did I really not understand what the hey was going on, but it seemed like it was going on in a good way, so I went with it anyway? Yup. That's about what happened. I figured it out a minute after DL, when I went, "ohhhhhhhhh...derp."

[Pitchwife]

Really, Lottie, is that the best you can do? I suspected Eomer heavily enough to vote him based on that exchange, and you disqualify it as slight suspicion/banter? Obviously our ideas of stylistic register are vastly different... or you're twisting it to fit.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Actually, as an innocent, Pitchie's much more in the thick of things, suspecting people with the best of them.

I'm far from being convinced of his innocence, either, but I don't think that's a very good argument, given that it was yourself who found Eomer's comparison of your playing style to that of gifted!Lottie's suspicious...

I don't think Skip would have dreamt of anyone besides Agan, Pitchie, and me. And I know who I am - that is, not the last wolf. My vote will go to one of those two.

Even if that's unlikely, I think he can have dreamed sally as well, and I really don't like your insistence that it's not the case. It's simply too late to discount the possibility that somebody was not dreamed just because she was being friendly to the seer at the end of the day. Period.
At the moment I think I could vote for Lottie because she's being darn fishy... but then again, her earlier behaviour & the part she played in EW & Eomer's lynches speak in her favour... I wonder if she's the cobbler (although I had probably better stop cobbler hunting for now and concentrate on finding the wolf). Argh this is confusing. Sally is my second option, and then Pitch, although I feel a lot better about him than the other two.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Her almost-fake-reveal yesterDay just before DL (#374) looks very much like an attempt by an innocent to protect the seer by baiting the wolf to kill her instead...

Could also be the cobbler doing a fake reveal, assuming she actually thought Eomer was innocent.

Agan's defense of Eomer yesterDay, and her continued cobbler-hunt for skip are a strong point against her.

Actually, if you ask me, they should in fact speak in my favour... There are two things you should know about Aganwolf:
1) She always throws her fellows under the bus if she thinks it makes her look better. I've only saved a fellow from the gallows once (who was about to be lynched for, objectively, ridiculous reasons).
2) She never lynches the one she thinks is her cobbler. She rather fabricates cases against innocents.
Now I'm just trying to remember how much I've told you about what I'm like as a wolf, ie. are you inventing reasons to accuse me or not...

If she's the cobbler, by the way, her support of me is sadly (or luckily) misguided.

Good to know... Actually I just changed my mind about Lottie, in truth she really looks innocent!
Anyway before you get excited, I'm not supporting you (at least on purpose). I just think Lottie and sally are more suspicious than you. It's not the same.

Finally, Nerwen. I'm not sure that one comment by skip is sufficient evidence to clear her as a dreamed innocent

I wouldn't worry about it too much - if she's our final wolf, I think we can blame skip for our loss.

I'm here while the others are fighting (my character is a coward who rather shoots, and he has to load his bow every other round).

[Pitchwife]

And what makes you so sure skip didn't dream sally? Just because he didn't suspect her yesterDay? It might have been a good idea to check somebody he didn't suspect, just in case - I've done it myself as the seer, to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.
There's something going on between the two of you...

EDIT: x-ed with Agan; this is addressed to Lottie.

[Aganzir]

Once again: we have no way of knowing if skip suspected sally or not. Maybe not at the end of the day, but he had a lot of time to think of whom to dream of. If I was a wolf and thought somebody was a wolf, I'd totally try to buddy up with them before killing them. If I was the seer and saw somebody was trying to buddy up with me, I'd get suspicious.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Agan

She never lynches the one she thinks is her cobbler. She rather fabricates cases against innocents.

But as I said above, if you're a wolf we don't know what you really thought.

Originally Posted by Agan

Now I'm just trying to remember how much I've told you about what I'm like as a wolf

Same here.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

But as I said above, if you're a wolf we don't know what you really thought.

Completely regardless of my role, I thought skip looked mighty cobblerish.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm far from being convinced of his innocence, either, but I don't think that's a very good argument, given that it was yourself who found Eomer's comparison of your playing style to that of gifted!Lottie's suspicious...

Even if that's unlikely, I think he can have dreamed sally as well, and I really don't like your insistence that it's not the case. It's simply too late to discount the possibility that somebody was not dreamed just because she was being friendly to the seer at the end of the day. Period.
At the moment I think I could vote for Lottie because she's being darn fishy... but then again, her earlier behaviour & the part she played in EW & Eomer's lynches speak in her favour... I wonder if she's the cobbler (although I had probably better stop cobbler hunting for now and concentrate on finding the wolf). Argh this is confusing. Sally is my second option, and then Pitch, although I feel a lot better about him than the other two.

Could also be the cobbler doing a fake reveal, assuming she actually thought Eomer was innocent.

1. Eomer compared my behavior to Gifted!me. I'm comparing Pitchie's behavior to ordo!him and evil!him. Not gifted!him.

2. You admit it's unlikely Sally was dreamed, but then say that you suspect her more than the person who is likely to be evil? I'm sorry, but I can see no innocent reason for this. And I'm not basing my trust of Sally purely on Skip's probably not dreaming her - she's done nothing that makes her look evil all game! If she's evil, we'd have seen something by now other than a argument that, boiled down, says "she's playing, so she could potentially be evil! It's not likely, but because of the fact that she exists, I'm going to vote her!" And I'm sorry if that's a bit too harsh, but that's your only argument!

3. Yeah, only she was trying to get Eomer lynched.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

And what makes you so sure skip didn't dream sally? Just because he didn't suspect her yesterDay? It might have been a good idea to check somebody he didn't suspect, just in case - I've done it myself as the seer, to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.

So've I. Remember how I got you killed? Good times...but it wasn't at end game. At end game, you dream your suspects, not one of the most innocent looking people playing.

There's something going on between the two of you...

And it reminds me a whole lot of my very first game. Nog's Ranger game...Epic Alliance of Good People...ah, such fun times.

EDIT: Just realized that I was confused about point 3. Scratch that; I didn't read the sentance properly. Sorry!

[Pitchwife]

It's not getting any earlier here, and I've got to get up early in the morning, so - voting time.

With my luck, I'm probably going to botch this, but in the end, I don't think Wolfanzir would have defended Eowolf like she did. She could still be the cobbler, or maybe even a stubborn innocent gone astray.

On the other hand, there are strong signs for a conspiracy of some kind between sally and Lottie (pre-conviction of Eomer's guilt without a solid reason, and Lottie's baseless conviction that sally can't have been dreamed last Night). Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Therefore,
++sally

Á vala Manwë. Good night.

[satansaloser2005]

WHAT THE FRELLING FRELL?!?!




ETA: Erm, sorry, that wasn't actually meant to be in all caps. Still, ....the frell?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Aw, that would've been an awesome hint! But no. I get what you're thinking if you're innocent, but see, I'm not the cobbler, and I'm not the wolf, and I don't think Sally's either one, either. But kudos for being clever!

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[satansaloser2005]

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.



So, Pitch, who's the cobbler, you or Agan? I just, you know, need to know who would be the more effective vote choice at this juncture. If you're honest we may even let you live! (Unless you're the wolf, of course, and then no, sorry.)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.



So, Pitch, who's the cobbler, you or Agan? I just, you know, need to know who would be the more effective vote choice at this juncture. If you're honest we may even let you live! (Unless you're the wolf, of course, and then no, sorry.)

I'm thinking Agan is probably the cobbler, and Pitchie the wolf, simply because Wolfazir wouldn't have defended Eomer, but cobbler!Agan might well have.

Also, I may disappear at any moment, but I will be back before DL if this happens.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. Eomer compared my behavior to Gifted!me. I'm comparing Pitchie's behavior to ordo!him and evil!him. Not gifted!him.

You thought Eomer looked suspicious because he was saying you behaved differently from what he remembered. He wasn't actually accusing you, he was just pointing it out. How is it so different from Pitch behaving differently from what you'd expect?

2. You admit it's unlikely Sally was dreamed, but then say that you suspect her more than the person who is likely to be evil?

More than the person who's likely to be evil? Are you talking about Pitch or yourself now? I suspect sally because I think she's suspicious! Read back to my posts, you'll see I've had doubts about her since day 2 (ie. since her reaction to my random vote). I don't think it's really my fault that your and her interaction with Eomer is far more suspicious than Pitch's.

Gah now I'm getting too single-minded again, I don't intend to ignore Pitch just because I find you more suspicious...

I'm sorry, but I can see no innocent reason for this.

And what's the wolfish reason that you can see?

she's done nothing that makes her look evil all game! --- And I'm sorry if that's a bit too harsh, but that's your only argument!

Feel free to go through my posts and see what I've said of sally. Either it's our difference in views or you're trying to save her for a reason of her own, but I think her behaviour has been rather suspicious.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm not trusting anyone at this point in the continuum.


I say we lynch Agan toDay. She's 110% evil and I don't think there's a soul who can't see that. Pitchie's blindly following her suspicion of me for whatever unfounded reasons, which makes me think he's evil too.

HOWEVER....

Agan is a darn tricksy wolf. She would TOTALLY bus her packmates, especially if that was part of the plan. I'm almost sure she picked up on Skip, which explains her case against him yesterDay, etc., and she's gone after me heavily ever since I questioned her initial suspicions of me and called them for what they were, an excuse not to vote her partner. All in all, there's not a non-furry spot on her body.


However, part two....

I'm not voting and letting things go haywire. If Agan's not lynched toDay, I'm still going to make sure that I'm happy with whoever IS toDay's kill. Thus, I'll be holding my vote until closer to DL. Nerwen, you around yet, lovely?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

More than the person who's likely to be evil? Are you talking about Pitch or yourself now? I suspect sally because I think she's suspicious! Read back to my posts, you'll see I've had doubts about her since day 2 (ie. since her reaction to my random vote). I don't think it's really my fault that your and her interaction with Eomer is far more suspicious than Pitch's.

Either one - I admit, I was likely to be dreamed last Night. I know I wasn't, because the last wolf was, but no one else knows that, so yeah, I'm technically more likely to be evil than Sally.

And what's the wolfish reason that you can see?

You can't go after Pitchie because you think he's the wolf (assuming you're the cobbler) and you don't think lynching me is feasible, for whatever reason.

Feel free to go through my posts and see what I've said of sally. Either it's our difference in views or you're trying to save her for a reason of her own, but I think her behaviour has been rather suspicious.

Okay. It's our difference in views - I've seen nothing of hers that looks suspicious. But may I point out that you've suspected her ever since she started suspecting you?

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.

And didn't you see my post? There were things that pointed strongly to his having dreamed of somebody, but nothing whatsoever that pointed to you. If he dreamed you, it was last night and you're the wolf. There's no time he could have dreamed of you if he dreamed of the people I think he did (and there's evidence for that, just read his posts). The fact that he didn't consider voting for you tells us nothing at all about your role, I'm sorry to inform you.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm thinking Agan is probably the cobbler, and Pitchie the wolf, simply because Wolfazir wouldn't have defended Eomer, but cobbler!Agan might well have.

In all seriousness, I'm an ordo. And for those of you who didn't already know/guess it, lynching me means that we lose tomorrow. Simple as that.

Also, when did I defend Eomer? Not accusing somebody isn't the same as defending him. Even though he turned out to be a wolf, I still think it wasn't the best of arguments to say either he or Greenie had to be a wolf.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

In all seriousness, I'm an ordo. And for those of you who didn't already know/guess it, lynching me means that we lose tomorrow. Simple as that.

It's never as simple as that. Even if you are an ordo, if we lynch you, the wolf could still kill the cobbler, because if it's not you, I have no clue who it would be.

Even though he turned out to be a wolf, I still think it wasn't the best of arguments to say either he or Greenie had to be a wolf.

But it was right.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And didn't you see my post? There were things that pointed strongly to his having dreamed of somebody, but nothing whatsoever that pointed to you. If he dreamed you, it was last night and you're the wolf. There's no time he could have dreamed of you if he dreamed of the people I think he did (and there's evidence for that, just read his posts). The fact that he didn't consider voting for you tells us nothing at all about your role, I'm sorry to inform you.

I never said it did. I'm just saying that the "Sally's clearly evil" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information. And the fact that you refuse to budge on an absolutely unbased case makes me even more sure you're just being manipulative, or manipulated, but either way somehow destructive to the village. I want to win. Thus someone who's harming the village is my enemy. Sorry, love, but you know how this works. If you're an ordo, you're falling into a major wolf trap, and I can't see why an innocent you wouldn't have seen that by now.



Harrumph. I nearly just want to vote now and be done with it, but that's stupid of me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pitchie

With my luck, I'm probably going to botch this

Yup, pretty much. Isn't that unfortunate? Or is it for you? o_O

Originally Posted by Pitchie

I don't think Wolfanzir would have defended Eowolf like she did. She could still be the cobbler, or maybe even a stubborn innocent gone astray.

Ah, but she could, and she would. And that's not even relevant, as it wasn't even a defense. You're saying that Agan isn't a wolf based on something she didn't even do. She ws hard after our seer, but that's a completely clump of fur than defendin Eomer, which she never really did. So....yeah. Bz-chicken-wah?

Originally Posted by Pitchie

On the other hand, there are strong signs for a conspiracy of some kind between sally and Lottie (pre-conviction of Eomer's guilt without a solid reason, and Lottie's baseless conviction that sally can't have been dreamed last Night). Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Strong signs, eh? Give me one. One bloody sign. There aren't any? Just checking.

Also, the genius thing has been explained; it was a joke, and I said so Days ago. You're just bringing it up again (and out of context too) to twist me into suspicion.

Originally Posted by Pitchie

Therefore,
[h]++sally[/h]

Again. ....the frell?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Strong signs, eh? Give me one. One bloody sign. There aren't any? Just checking.

There are signs! See, we both tried to get Eowolf killed, which clearly means we're conspring together. Plus, neither of us suspects you, which clearly all the *innocent* people are doing. Finally, both of us are arguing against an inherently baseless Sally!bandwagon! Gasp! Strong signs, indeed! I'm evil! I didn't know! [/sarcasm]

Really, though, I'd be okay with either an Agan lynch or a Pitchie lynch, although I'd prefer a Pitchie lynch. I think Agan's the cobbler, but the innocents have to put up a united front, so...yeah.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Lottie

There are signs! See, we both tried to get Eowolf killed, which clearly means we're conspring together. Plus, neither of us suspects you, which clearly all the *innocent* people are doing. Finally, both of us are arguing against an inherently baseless Sally!bandwagon! Gasp! Strong signs, indeed! I'm evil! I didn't know! [/sarcasm]

Frelling frell. I can't rep you again, but I would if I could. *hugs her Lottiepop* You just made Sally feel better after a rubbish day. You's my buddy.

Anyway, I'm fine with any lynch but me, to be honest. I say we lynch Agan toDay, both because my blood pressure can't take her anymore (in the game, in the game!!!!!!) and because she's DEFINITELY got something up her sleeve. Maybe Pitchie's just stupid. *snorts* Riiiight. Like that'd ever happen. He's clearly evil.

Aaaand I'm back to square one again.

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Aganzir]

Sorry the RPG demanded my attention for a while...

Originally Posted by sally

She's 110% evil and I don't think there's a soul who can't see that.

Whatever you're doing, it's not innocent behaviour. I am no more evil than I am by nature, and I can't understand how there can be a soul who can't see that.

Originally Posted by sally

I'm almost sure she picked up on Skip

I suppose I should appreciate the value you give to my intelligence, but I had absolutely no idea skip was the seer. Don't try to put thoughts into my head that were never there.

Originally Posted by sally

she's gone after me heavily ever since I questioned her initial suspicions of me and called them for what they were, an excuse not to vote her partner.

If EW had been my partner, I would either have voted for him or not talked of him at all. The first piece of advice I always give to my fellows is: Don't waver - whatever you do, be decided; and I live up to that. I suspected you because you totally overreacted to my vote, and after that it mostly just went worse.

Originally Posted by Lottie

You can't go after Pitchie because you think he's the wolf (assuming you're the cobbler) and you don't think lynching me is feasible, for whatever reason.

Whoops did Lottie just slip she's the wolf (since I can only be the cobbler, not the wolf)? I am not a wolf, I am not the cobbler, I'm not as suspicious of Pitch as I am of you two, and I do think lynching you is feasible. I'm more likely going to vote for sally though because I don't want to spread the votes.

Originally Posted by Lottie

But it was right.

Yes, it was. But your reasons simply weren't good enough, at least for me. It's still not the same as defending him.

Originally Posted by sally

the "Sally's clearly evil" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information.

Severe lack of information? I dare to suggest it's not only the seer who has a brain in this village. We're not a flock of sheep that follows skip's every word blindly... at least we shouldn't be. Skip says nothing that points to your innocence. The same way you could argue that this "skip never dreamed of sally" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information.

Originally Posted by sally

sure you're just being manipulative, or manipulated, but either way somehow destructive to the village.

I am not being manipulative, and I do hope I'm not so easy to manipulate. If I'm being destructive so be it, at least I myself was happy with my reasoning. At the moment I'm only trying to get the wolf or the cobbler killed... as you probably know just as well as I do.

Originally Posted by sally

you're falling into a major wolf trap, and I can't see why an innocent you wouldn't have seen that by now.

And what's this wolf trap?
Seriously though, if Nerwen (or Pitch) is the last wolf and has managed to win my trust and make me fall into their trap, in my opinion they deserve to win.

Originally Posted by sally

because my blood pressure can't take her anymore (in the game, in the game!!!!!!) and because she's DEFINITELY got something up her sleeve.

Sorry about that, but you know how it goes with me... I'm not trying to irritate you on purpose or anything. But I have nothing up my sleeve, and in my opinion you're being unfair. Did you actually have some reasons for suspecting me?

Will be here till the deadline.

[satansaloser2005]

Interwebs are being hateful because of the weather. I'll still be here, but I'll have to be concise. Just a fair warning (and apology of sorts) in case I don't reply to everything.

[Aganzir]

So apparently it's either sally, Pitchwife or me... Nerwen how does that sound to you?

I really wouldn't mind Lottie either but I suppose it's kind of hopeless now, so sally is my best bet.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Whoops did Lottie just slip she's the wolf (since I can only be the cobbler, not the wolf)? I am not a wolf, I am not the cobbler, I'm not as suspicious of Pitch as I am of you two, and I do think lynching you is feasible. I'm more likely going to vote for sally though because I don't want to spread the votes.

You could well be a wolf, but that particular theory was about you being the cobbler. Nice try, though. Well done picking up on the tiniest thing. Eomer was good at that too.

EDIT: xed with Sally and Agan

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

You could well be a wolf, but that particular theory was about you being the cobbler. Nice try, though. Well done picking up on the tiniest thing. Eomer was good at that too.

And you didn't answer my original question - I asked what wolfish reason you could see, and you only spoke of me being the cobbler. So you only think I'm the cobbler yet you want to lynch me?

And you have played with me enough (yes one game is enough) to know that I pick up on small things if I think they're somewhat relevant. It's the way I work. Don't try to make it sound evil when you know it's just me.

[Loslote]

Also, it amuses me that there are two distinct camps vying for Nerwen's vote. Agan and Pitchie vs. Sally and Lottie. I'm not saying that the people in the camps trust each other implicitly or anything, either; but still, I get this mental picture of two different teams pulling on Nerwen's arms, trying to drag her over to their side.

EDIT: xed with Agan

[satansaloser2005]

Sally tried to save the seer yesterDay. Oh, yes, let's kill her. Totally makes sense.

Too. Much. Stress. Back in five. This is NOT a game-related break, but I need a second to sort of chill out. Was just royally harrassed by someone and need to escape the tension so I don't freak out or something. I'll be back in a moment.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And you didn't answer my original question - I asked what wolfish reason you could see, and you only spoke of me being the cobbler. So you only think I'm the cobbler yet you want to lynch me?

And you have played with me enough (yes one game is enough) to know that I pick up on small things if I think they're somewhat relevant. It's the way I work. Don't try to make it sound evil when you know it's just me.

Yes, because we all know your stance on going after the cobbler. But, really, there's little point in splitting the vote, and if the consensus is that we go after the cobbler toDay, I'd prefer that to the innocents splitting the vote and the wolves killing an innocent.

And I'm sorry if it wasn't clear; that was mainly a joke. I had a smilie, but I could have been more explicit. I didn't mean that as a reason to lynch you or anything.

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Agan

Severe lack of information? I dare to suggest it's not only the seer who has a brain in this village. We're not a flock of sheep that follows skip's every word blindly... at least we shouldn't be. Skip says nothing that points to your innocence.

But he says nothing that doesn't, and we know he didn't dream Wolf 3 until last Night. I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf. It is true that she is a tremendous sneak and also capable of some very bold wolfing. But still, I'd need a better reason to vote her at this point than "general principles".

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Also, it amuses me that there are two distinct camps vying for Nerwen's vote. Agan and Pitchie vs. Sally and Lottie. I'm not saying that the people in the camps trust each other implicitly or anything, either; but still, I get this mental picture of two different teams pulling on Nerwen's arms, trying to drag her over to their side.

Haha yeah I know what you mean... I was thinking of that too. I don't really envy her.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sally tried to save the seer yesterDay. Oh, yes, let's kill her. Totally makes sense.

So what? You couldn't know he was the seer, anyway. It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

[satansaloser2005]

**Lottie for Representative**


EDIT: x'd with Agan and Nerwen. Thus....

**Nerwen for the Win**

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

But, really, there's little point in splitting the vote, and if the consensus is that we go after the cobbler toDay, I'd prefer that to the innocents splitting the vote and the wolves killing an innocent.

And who's the cobbler you're planning to go after? Is it just me or is Lottie giving away her (wolfish) role? It's just, we can't "decide to go after the cobbler" if we don't know who they are.

And I'm sorry if it wasn't clear; that was mainly a joke. I had a smilie, but I could have been more explicit. I didn't mean that as a reason to lynch you or anything.

Yeah I was hoping you weren't serious (because quite honestly that would've been a ridiculous reason to suspect someone ), but at this point it doesn't really matter if it was a joke or not, the fact is that you're trying to make me look worse.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf.

That's interesting because my opinion is exactly the opposite.

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.

For me, Lottie + sally is the only team that makes sense... Neither of them looks like they were in league with Pitch (or you, for that matter).

Grr this is so frustrating.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

If you can't defend yourself with fighting to kill a wolf and defending the seer, what can you defend yourself with nowadays?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

**Lottie for Representative**


EDIT: x'd with Agan and Nerwen. Thus....

**Nerwen for the Win**

Snerk. *snuggles Sallycakes...and Nerwen, too, for good measure*

EDIT: xed with Agan, who can haz snuggles too.