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08-25-2008, 03:43 PM | #401 |
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I still feel Lommy and Shasta are innocent.
I feel that Nogrod and Kath aren't. I think Greenie might be evil. I don't know about Brinniel or phantom. Grah. |
08-25-2008, 03:45 PM | #402 |
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I feel Eonwe is innocent.
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08-25-2008, 03:46 PM | #403 |
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What do you think of Kath, Nog?
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The question is: What do you think of Kath, Dury?
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08-25-2008, 04:11 PM | #406 |
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Brinn, Nog and Lommy started a very late bandwagon against Fea yesterday. I had wondered where it had come from when I discovered she'd be lynched. They're going on and on about not having a flurry of last minute voting and bandwagons and there they go and do the exact same thing. I don't think they're suspicious for voting for her, she was second on my list, but I think the manner of it most odd.
Ah, and to answer something from Nog yesterDay. Just because I'm not suspecting you doesn't mean anything. With phantom, Fea and Nilp in the game you barely got my attention in terms of automatic suspicion. Now, however, after yesterDay, you've got it. Brinn too actually, more so than Lommy for some reason though I'm not sure why.
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08-25-2008, 04:15 PM | #407 |
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Let's make these clear - lending Eönwe's list and adding to it...
Day 1: Lommy: Nogrod (1) Shasta: Kitanna [ordo](1) Gwath [seer]: Kitanna [ordo](2) Greenie: Gwath [seer](1) Durelin: Gwath [seer](2) Mith [cobbler]: Kitanna [ordo](3) Nilp [ordo]: Kitanna [ordo](4) Lalaith [ordo]: Ye phantome (1) Nogrod: Groin [ordo](1) Brinn: Greenie (1) Nerwen: Kitanna [ordo](5) + Ye phantome: Lalaith [ordo](1) + Eönwë: Greenie (2) Lynched: Kitanna [ordo] Night 2: Killed: Lalaith [ordo] Assassinated: - Day 2: Shasta: Ye phantome (1) Form [cobbler]: Ye phantome (2) Fea [ordo]: Shasta (1) Nilp [ordo]: Gwath [seer] (1) Kath: Lommy (1) Durelin: Nogrod (1) Eönwë: Gwath [seer] (2) Greenie: Gwath [seer] (3) Mith [cobbler]: Lommy (2) Ye phantome: Gwath [seer](4) Brinn: Durelin (1) Nerwen: Lommy (3) Nogrod: Durelin (2) Lynched: Gwath [seer] Night 3: Killed: Mith [cobbler] Assassinated: - Day 3: Greenie: Form [cobbler] (1) Durelin: Fea [ordo] (1) Brinniel: Fea [ordo] (2) Shasta: Form [cobbler] (2) Lommy: Fea [ordo] (3) Nogrod: Fea [ordo] (4) the phantom: Form [cobbler] (3) Night 4: Killed: Nilp [ordo] Assassinated: Form [cobbler] On Day 3, seven of thirteen voted!!! This can not be. EDIT: X'd from Dury's first one onwards.
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And there was Dury. But actually it's not a bandwaggon when only one person votes.
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08-25-2008, 04:19 PM | #409 |
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Hey! I was just about to do that.
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As I said earlier I do think she might be a cobbler or then she just plays differently - looking at her points there it might be a reasonable assumption added with the scarcity of time and all that.
But this is mutual between us. I tend to suspect her of any possible evil there is whatever the situation... and similarily she may be lost from my view if something more eye-catching comes about but when that is over I tend to turn to back suspecting her. Like she does with me. Quote:
A list of votes may tell you a thing or two but you should also look back at the times of the votes and the reasons given to them at that particular time of discussion to get a fuller picture. Although I still think Dury's remark on Mith's general innocence makes her more an innocent than a wolf.
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You, on the other hand, were in the bandwaggoning position. You turned it from a suspicion into a lynch candidate. After someone gets three votes, people just attach themselves onto that or one of the others with a similar amount of votes.
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08-25-2008, 04:57 PM | #412 | |
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I started talking about lynching Fea in the first place and the others sticked to it as they clearly were as confused as I was. But the wolves (and possibly cobblers) at that time... They must have thought of my "case-making" as a heaven sent gift... So I'd really look at that Fea-waggon with that in mind. I supplied the wood but the ignition was a responsibility of four (Dury, Brinn, Lommy and me). The sad thing is that at least towards the end the wolves might have thought it better to separate themselves from the lynching crowd and make themselves look good *cough Shasta, cough tp* And who says Greenie is innocent as she writes seldomly and votes early? That's the safest position... I'm coming back in a minute with the non-voter-stuff so let it be for now...
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08-25-2008, 04:59 PM | #413 |
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I'm going to leave Kath alone for the time being. I really don't think she's a Wolf. She could be a Cobbler, but then so could just about anyone. Plus we still have our Assassin to help with those.
I came away from Day 2 viewing Nerwen as good, and since she wasn't around yesterday my opinion hasn't changed. I'd like to see what her take is after being removed from us for a bit. I'm thinking that if Nog is evil he is a Werewolf rather than a Cobbler. Eonwe and Lommy I think are innocent. I don't have a solid opinion about Brin, Durelin, Shasta, and Green. I swung back and forth between "certainly guilty" and "definitely innocent" during my last skim-through.
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Those of us who have voted everyDay:
Shasta Durelin Brinniel Nogrod Greenie the phantom - was a minute late on Day1. Lommy - was late on Day2 because of a misunderstanding as we shared the same computer the three of us. Those not voting everyDay: Eönwe - voted an hour late on Day1, did not vote on Day3. Nerwen - did not vote on Day3. Kath - did not post or vote on Day1, did not voter on Day3. My conclusions about that: Eönwe, Nerwen and Kath look more innocent than guilty because of their failures. If we're looking at the wolves they would vote everytime humanely possible. That means I will not think of any of the three "non-voters" as granted innocents but will have it as my general "working hypothesis". And anyhow. Someone winning a game by consciously not-posting doesn't earn the victory. It will taste shallow in her/his mouth and we others will scorn that kind of victory. So I believe our wolves are among those who have voted all the time. Criss-crossing a table with whom I have left unnoticed and who have voted everyDay will give me the "search-book" for this Day (eg. tomorrow after work). Good night! Do something! Anything! EDIT X'd with tp.
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08-25-2008, 05:21 PM | #415 |
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Dury and Brinn?
It would fit many schemes... not the least yesterDay's action. Just a gut-feeling. I'll try to look at it after I've slept and had a full day's work...
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08-25-2008, 07:26 PM | #416 |
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Hello. Anyone around?
I'm really sorry about my absence on Day 3. I couldn't help it, though.
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08-25-2008, 07:45 PM | #417 |
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I still think Phantom is a possible cobbler. Something about his "vote to save Fea" yesterday seemed very forced to me. She already had four votes to Form's three, counting his own, and I'm virtually sure Phantom can at least count that high.
No, it looks fishy to me. And trust me. I'm a roane. I know what fish smells like.
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08-25-2008, 08:58 PM | #418 |
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tp has certainly managed to create plenty of confusion– I'm certainly not prepared to say he isn't a cobbler. However– to give him the benefit of the doubt– there were a whole lot of votes coming in the last few minutes, and it's very easy to lose track in that situation. *shrugs*
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Yeah, because goodness knows I didn't suspect Form at all. Oh, no wait- I did. For two days. And goodness knows I wouldn't want to save Fea, because we've never played WW together and done a couple of RPGs together and traded thousands of PMs/emails/IMs over the years. Oh, no wait- we have. Doesn't really seem that forced given the fact that I was on good terms with Fea and suspecting Form. You're grasping desperately here Shasta. You worried that I'm innocent or something and want me out of the way? Quote:
Oh, no wait- six people hadn't voted yet. Which means all Fea needed to save her was ONE of those six people to come in and vote Form. Obviously it was a possibility. Yeesh, Shasta, it's like you're not even trying. Either that or you're trying too hard.
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Okay, I don't know how helpful this will be, but I'm going to attempt to rule out a couple of WW pairs based on the voting.
Day 1: Leaders were proven non-Wolves. No conclusions. Day 2: Nerwen & Lommy probably not a pair. Kath & Lommy probably not a pair. Durelin & Nogrod probably not a pair. Day 3: Leaders were proven non-Wolves. No conclusions.
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08-25-2008, 10:33 PM | #421 |
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I assume he meant your explanation, rather than the vote itself– there wasn't much chance of saving Fea at the time you posted. But it's been known for multiple votes to come in at the absolute last second.
I can't really see anything in it.
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Some first quick thoughts:
Possible wolves: Durelin Thinlómien Possible cobblers: Kath Unsure: Shastanis Althreduin Nerwen Nogrod A Little Green the phantom Probably innocent: Eönwë Hmm...obviously I have some work to do... Quote:
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Hello. Anyone here?
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Speaking of which... Are awake under my reindeer Nogrod Shasta Durelin Eönwë Doze under my reindeer tp - Yes, tp slips under my radar, in a way. Could you believe that? But I'm so used to him being around and being like that that I really don't pay attention to him. As if he was something not to bother about, like "oh, he's an ordo or a cobbler, it will be found out sooner or later" and it's rather troubling. (I guess I'm ignoring him the same way you start to ignore constant background noises. ) I guess it's because he really doesn't seem very suspicious to me. I should just know better than to trust him. Greenie - I think I should be a tad more critical towards her and not just trust my gut-feeling of her innocence. Brinniel - Funny, it always crosses my mind that she's suspicious, but it never develops into a proper suspicion. It is weird. And it's bad too. If I have extra time toDay I might have a look at her posts just to see whether she truly merits suspicion or not. Sleep under my reindeer Kath - The only thing I that comes to my mind when I think of her in this game is: she suspects me and doesn't suspect Nogrod. And the fact that she hasn't been around much. That's not very good, is it? Nerwen - She seemed innocent early on, so I just mentally stamped her as an innocent and if she's a wolf, that's just way too bad. Quote:
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I'm heading off for bed (yes, extremely late I know), but before I go I just wanted to express that I'm most concerned about Durelin. Her posts toDay and yesterDay make me uneasy, and whether it's as a wolf or cobbler, I really think she's up to no good. I would elaborate, but I'm tired...so that'll have to wait until I wake up. Hopefully I won't oversleep...
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Nogrod and Durelin
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#66 Dury on Nog Quote:
Day2 #169 Dury on Noggie Quote:
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#233 Dury on Noggie !!! - she votes him - Quote:
#288 Nog on Dury - he votes her - Quote:
Day3 #309 Nog on Dury - just mentions her in a Mith-summary - Well, obviously, this doesn't make us any wiser... #316 Nog on Dury - A Durylysis. Basically, he concludes that making the analysis didn't make him any more or less suspicious of her. - Like I said, what I find funny in the analysis is that it looks like he assumes she knows the other villagers' roles. #320 Nog on Dury Quote:
#325 Dury on Nog - Explains herself to him. - Nothing fishy here. #350 Nog on Dury - lists her as one of those he has "actually suspected in this game" - Funny, because he really didn't that much. Okay, he went to do that analysis, but after that he didn't suspect her. So he didn't suspect her for a long time at any rate. Maybe half a Day or something like that. #367Nog on Dury Quote:
#368 Dury on Nog - agrees with Nog about Form - Nothing fishy here, certainly, even though I'm tempted to interpret this as building grounds for a future alliance... #373 Dury on Nog Quote:
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#410 Nogrod on Durelin - replies to her question - Quote:
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#414 Nogrod on Durelin - mentions her as one of those who has voted every Day and says those people are the most suspicious - Again, he's balancing... I didn't get the point of this argument anyway... #415 Nogrod on Durelin Quote:
Conclusion: The relationship between them is rather interesting. Durelin suspects and attacks Nogrod from rather early on and never drops it. Nogrod starts suspecting her at the end of Day2, then makes a case on Day3, finds a piece of evidence that "proves" her innocence and drops his suspicion, but still kind of continues suspecting her. I don't really know what to make of it. If they're fellows, they are rather bold. I think they could be, but it feels a bit far-fetched. All in all, Nogrod behaves as if Dury could be his fellow, but she doesn't behave like he could be her fellow. But there is something odd in there. I don't think they're both innocent. I think it's either that Durelin is a cobbler who thinks Nogrod is innocent and is therefore trying to get him lynched. Or then, Nogrod is a wolf and he's just treating innocent Durelin that way. I can't explain it, but his behaviour towards her looks a little like a wolf treating an innocent who suspects him... edit: xed with Brinniel
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Good analysis, Lommy. Yes, those two could bear watching.
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I know. But I still find it a little weird.
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Thanks Lommy for the most enlightening analysis as what comes to Dury. It kind of helps me a bit with making of my mind with her. But I'm going to look at her myself as well.
To cut a long story short and to answer your musings then: I've felt bad with her from her early attacks on me on. Then I finally decided to see whether there was something else than just my bad feeling of her attacking me consistently and with very forcibly made arguments (if there were any). The "Durylysis" didn't help me much but didn't "free" her either. The "Mith is universally innocent" -thing made me doubt her guilt but thanks to you I'm getting over it - and kind of was getting over it already last night (RL) when I started thinking about Dury and Brinn as possibe mates in crime... I mean I hadn't thought of this before: Quote:
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Oh, Nog...you just seem so darned evil.
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Why? For me it's because I've lacked the energy. I just started classes yesterday and that two people dropped from the game kinda killed some of my energy. I only make a good wolf or cobbler in this game. I am absolutely terrible at spotting wolves. I don't even know how exactly you spot wolves. But last game a I really felt Nog was innocent after a bit, and this game I've really felt he's evil. I don't know how to explain it, though Lommy's analysis of his interactions and analysis of me makes me suspect him more. Hah, yes, maybe it's just cause he has 'suspected' me off and on. It feels to me that Nog has been playing up the *help the village* thing this game, and I think he does that as a wolf. He tries to point out things that will help the village and this looks familiar to me: Quote:
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I make an analysis of Durelin and Nogrod, and what does it cause? They attack each other even more forcefully... This is madness. Are you two sure you aren't both cobblers?
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I'm really not, I just suck at being good. ><
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I have to vote within the hour.
And I'm still looking at Phantom.
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Are you a cobbler too?
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Just a reminder: no frivolous voting now. We really have to get a baddie toDay
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Actually, we don't have to. We'd just better do so because we haven't killed a single wolf yet and it's already Day4... This is starting to get almost depressing...
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Almost depressing???
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Good to see something happening.
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