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So go on then: how many times does the name 'Finwë' appear in the family tree of House Finwë, assuming you give both Mother and Father-names of everyone in Quenya (where known)?
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Eleven times?
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Which two individuals have the largest number of recorded children?
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If it's some hobbit, I won't be bothered. It's impossible to suss out which one was the most virile.
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Gerontius and Adamanta, choo-choo.
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Okay, so the three most virile couples are
1. Sam and Rosie 2. Gerontius and Adamanta 3. Feanor and Nerdanel That is, unless you can find someone else who is more virile than Feanor/Nerdanel and less virile than Gerontius/Adamanta?
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So am I correct?
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Yep, that's the ones.
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Who is Istarnie's grandson?
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Yeah.
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Okay, okay: a lot of Mortals in Middle-earth have some proportion of immortal heritage. Of the women who were accounted Mortal from birth to death, which has the highest proportion of Immortal in her?
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Okay, a bit challenging to do without being able to sit down and draw things out, but here goes.
Thinking of the three marriages between Elves and Men and their female descendents, the answer that comes to mind is Aragorn's unnamed daughters, as they stand closest to such a marriage. Elwing would have a higher proportion but she is immortal herself. However, I don't even know where to start when counting Aragorn's daughters' Immortal. Do we assume Arwen to be full Elf, as she was one before meeting Aragorn, or Half-Elven by virtue of Elrond's heritage? Besides, Aragorn himself has an uncountable proportion of Immortal, as his ancestors between Elros and himself intermarried with distant cousins who also were of Luthien's line. Arathorn and Gilraen themselves both claimed descent from Elros. So depending on how you count everything, these women may have as much as 1/2+(uncountable but minute) Immortal, or as little as 13/32 + (same uncountable minute amount). * Arwen's breakdown: Elwing is 3/4 Immortal Earendil is 1/2 Immortal Elrond is thus 5/8 Immortal Celebrian is Full Elven Making Arwen 13/16 Immortal How did I do without pen or paper to do the counting?
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I deliberately avoided saying 'immortal blood', but that was what I was thinking, so 13/32+ is the number by my reckoning. I think you're right that they take the title: their main competition would be Tindomiel, daughter of Elros, but she's (5/8 + 0/8 = ) 10/32 immortal.
... no, wait, I'm wrong. There is a named, presumptively-mortal woman with a higher Immortal fraction (exactly 1/2, as it happens), who holds the distinction of being the only fully mortal daughter of a full Elf and a Man. hS |
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Gilmith?
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Oh no! What have I done? I don't know how to play this game!
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Okay, it's been days and Pervinca didn't post a new clue, so in the interest of continuing...
What relation do Eomer, Eowyn and Maeglin have towards their respective Kings (hint: it's the same one.) (Why do I include Maeglin in everything? Because I can. ![]()
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Right, I wanted to ask this about Aragorn, but as far as I can tell the answer is just "hahaha no," so:
Who is Arwen's closest named cousin whose lifespan overlaps with hers? hS |
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That requires extensive math, so I'll just say both halves of 'Fallen Banners' ship and be done with it.
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On the Elvish side, I believe the last of the family is dead before the end of the Second Age, with the deaths of Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad. Arwen was born after the start of the TA. So looking therefore at the human side of the lineage, Arwen's cousin-many-times-removed Valandil was alive when she was born.
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I'm not sure what the 'Fallen Banners' ship is, but I do know you're both wrong. She reportedly has a living first cousin twice removed.
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...You aren't talking about Finrod reborn?
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If you don't know what Fallen Banners is, then how do you know I'm wrong?
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I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.
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I first posted about Elwing being related to Celeborn. Then I deleted it, cause I thought, that's silly, Elwing is Arwen's grandmother. And now I'm posting the answer again, because given Elven family trees one can be both a grandma and a cousin.
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But here is another oddball I haven't considered initially: Ar-Pharazon. He remains in a sort of deathless state, suspended by Eru, right? It would take quite a bit of genealogy checking to say for certain, but just chronology-wise he is a closer cousin than Valandil.
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Well, they are singletons too. Fallen Banners is a fan couple, not a canonical one.
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Elwing: I think she'd be Arwen's second cousin? They're both great-granddaughters of Galadhon. But I think you generally take only the closest relationship, right? Otherwise, the Hobbits - whooo-ee!
According to the coefficient of relationship page, second cousin and first cousin twice removed are identically close (3.125%). So Elwing would be a viable answer - were she not her great granny. Pharazon is also an interesting catch, but still very distant by comparison. Fallen Banners: sure, but I can only find one person whose closest relationship to Arwen is at the first cousin twice removed level. It doesn't matter who you ship them with, that person would be more distant. Or dead. hS |
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But if we treat them as separate people, rather than a ship, then one of them could work as an answer...
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