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Pervinca Took · 07-31-2018, 10:54 AM

1. Hobbits?
2. Silent Watchers?

Nerwen · 07-31-2018, 11:31 AM

#2 is correct; you need to be more literal for #1.

1. Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
4. Emo feline at the Pelennor.
5. ...but are they worms now?
6. Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Pervinca Took · 07-31-2018, 12:10 PM

Hole-dwellers?

Nerwen · 07-31-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Hole-dwellers?

No, it's nothing to do with hobbits. I meant you need to be more literal in your interpretation of the clue.

Pervinca Took · 07-31-2018, 02:44 PM

Eat earth, dig deep ... Willow man or tree roots?

Nerwen · 07-31-2018, 07:37 PM

Dig deeper! And think about that word "anonymous".

Pervinca Took · 07-31-2018, 11:53 PM

Not the Dead Marshes?

Nerwen · 08-01-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pervinca took

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Pervinca Took · 08-01-2018, 03:25 AM

A Nameless Fear ... ? Balrogs? Uruloki or whatever they are?

Nerwen · 08-01-2018, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

A Nameless Fear ... ? Balrogs? Uruloki or whatever they are?

No... but these are neighbours. In the sub-basement. ("Nameless" is indeed the synonym you need, though.)

Pervinca Took · 08-01-2018, 10:27 AM

Is 5 just dragons, or firedrakes?

Nerwen · 08-01-2018, 10:40 AM

Nope.

Galadriel55 · 08-01-2018, 03:13 PM

Some sort of Unnamed Things?

A vague memory from the Mirth forum hints Ringwraiths / Nazgul for 5. Something about nine worms trying to dig under Aragorn.

Nerwen · 08-01-2018, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Some sort of Unnamed Things?

A vague memory from the Mirth forum hints Ringwraiths / Nazgul for 5. Something about nine worms trying to dig under Aragorn.

"Unnamed Things"... so close!

But no, it's not Ringwraiths for #5. None of this relies on in-jokes.

Pervinca Took · 08-02-2018, 02:31 AM

Things Unnamed?

Terrors Unnamed? Unnamed Terrors?

Please let it be Nameless No-Nos!

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 02:47 AM

As noted above, it's "Nameless ____". The second word has also been supplied by the two of you- just have to put them together.

It comes from a specific quote, which I believe is the sole reference to these creatures.

Pervinca Took · 08-02-2018, 04:29 AM

Unnamed Fears?

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 04:54 AM

No, it's "Nameless ______". Need the second word.

I mentioned them as "neighbours" of Balrogs- more strictly, that's of one specific Balrog.

Galadriel55 · 08-02-2018, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

No, it's "Nameless ______". Need the second word.

I mentioned them as "neighbours" of Balrogs- more strictly, that's of one specific Balrog.

Well yes, the things in Moria - if we could only remember how they were referred by. Nameless Things, the one combo not tried yet?

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well yes, the things in Moria - if we could only remember how they were referred by. Nameless Things, the one combo not tried yet?

That's it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day.

NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
4. Emo feline at the Pelennor.
5. ...but are they worms now?
6. Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Pervinca Took · 08-02-2018, 06:07 AM

I think the password, like the answers guessed so far, will be plural, but worth a guess: MEWLIP, reading down the third column?

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I think the password , like the answers guessed so far, will be plural, but worth a guess: MEWLIP, reading down the third column?

A good guess, and one that would fit the theme- but no, sorry.

Pervinca Took · 08-02-2018, 10:32 AM

I thought EMO was an anagram indicator, but I can't get anything by scrambling FELINE.

The only monsters I am aware of there being at the Pelennor (apart from the Nazgul) are the FELL BEASTS.

Galadriel55 · 08-02-2018, 07:02 PM

There were also Mumakil, but with no more support behind it.

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I thought EMO was an anagram indicator, but I can't get anything by scrambling FELINE.

Not an anagram. A (near) synonym. You're looking for substitutions.

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The only monsters I am aware of there being at the Pelennor (apart from the Nazgul) are the FELL BEASTS.

Who said the theme was "monsters"?

As it happens, most of the answers are monsters, but that's not why they qualify. They all have one specific thing in common.

Lastly- I'm not sure if it will help or hinder you to learn that the straight part of the clue both is and isn't important. That is, it won't really help you get the answer (the Pelennor was rather crowded), but it will once you do.

Galadriel55 · 08-02-2018, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Who said the theme was "monsters"?

As it happens, most of the answers are monsters, but that's not why they qualify. They all have one specific thing in common.

No proper names?

5. Wereworms. Thought of it for a long time, but only figured out now that they were worms.

Nerwen · 08-02-2018, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

No proper names?

5. Wereworms. Thought of it for a long time, but only figured out now that they were worms.

Correct!

But no, the thing in common is not a lack of proper names. You just haven't solved the ones that have them yet.

NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
4. Emo feline at the Pelennor.
WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now?
6. Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Pervinca Took · 08-04-2018, 05:54 AM

6. UNGOLIANT.

I had been trying to 'thin' lion by removing one or two letters, but finding no other part of the clue to supply the missing letters.

However, when I typed the name just now, I realised that we have a confused but GAUNT LION. Nice one!

Nerwen · 08-04-2018, 06:27 AM

UNGOLIANT it is!

NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
4. Emo feline at the Pelennor.
WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now?
UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Huinesoron · 08-06-2018, 02:15 AM

An emo feline is a GOTH MOG...

(And since I was away at the time: excellent password from Pervinca! I'm astounded that we managed two passwords doing exactly the same thing, but so completely different from each other!)

hS

Pervinca Took · 08-06-2018, 07:20 AM

One common answer: Aragorn. (But different clues for him). It was such a brilliant idea to do the Fellowship as a password. I had never thought of it, but once I'd seen you accomplish it, I had to have a go too!

I thought of Goth for emo, but I was stuck on tom and cat ....

Huinesoron · 08-06-2018, 07:32 AM

Pervinca - you also managed to pull out names I'd totally forgotten existed; I'm embarrassed to not have had Holdwine on my lists, but Panthael is beyond even that.

Coming back to the password in hand: the 'if I had one' for #3 suggests we might want the Oldest and Fatherless, Tom Bombadil himself, but I can't fit him into the rest of the clue.

hS

Pervinca Took · 08-06-2018, 07:48 AM

Bombadil has 3 other names. Dwarves called him FORN, men ORALD, and elves IARWAIN BEN-ADAR (I might have spelled that wrong).

Nerwen · 08-06-2018, 07:57 AM

GOTHMOG is correct, and Huey and Pervinca are very close to the final answer...

NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
GOTHMOG: Emo feline at the Pelennor.
WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now?
UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Pervinca Took · 08-06-2018, 05:52 PM

Are they all things that are basically immortal, unless they are killed?

If Bombadil is close, I can't see how we get to the final answer. None of his names seem to have the elements required.

Nerwen · 08-06-2018, 08:04 PM

"Bewildering" is an anagram indicator.

And no, the theme is not "immortal creatures".

I mentioned "at the Pelennor" as being a hint towards the overall answer/theme. Now that the clue has been solved, I will explain that it's very important that it was that Gothmog, and not Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs. You just have to think why that might be.

The phrasing of the "were-worms" clue is also a hint.

Pervinca Took · 08-07-2018, 02:19 AM

IARWAIN is an anagram of 'I in a war.'

'Ben' I think means 'son or daughter of' in Arabic?

Yes, I was trying to find the answer with 'war' for conflict, but also wondering whether conflict or bewildering was the anagram indicator.

Huinesoron · 08-07-2018, 02:59 AM

Nice catch, Pervinca! Hope it's right. ^_^

'Ben' (or rather, 'Pen', mutated due to being the second word), means 'without' in Sindarin, but I'm sure Tolkien was aware it also looks like a Hebrew(?) name (a la 'Ben-Hur'). Has Balfrog posted that one as evidence of the Biblical connections in the Bombadil chapters yet...?

I guess the theme is something about creatures/beings which we don't know what they were. Ungoliant may have been a giant spider, but she was also a Maia/nature spirit/incarnation of darkness/???. (Latest crackpot theory: when Bombadil says he 'knew the Dark under the Stars', he was talking about Ungoliant... XD.)

No idea what that makes the password, though.

hS

Nerwen · 08-07-2018, 03:06 AM

IARWAIN BEN-ADAR it is!

"Ben" means "son of" in Hebrew (don't know about Arabic, but they're related). However, I guess that's a coincidence, as BEN-ADAR means "fatherless" in Elvish, where the "ben-" element must mean "without".

NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands.
SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms.
IARWAIN BEN-ADAR: Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one?
GOTHMOG: Emo feline at the Pelennor.
WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now?
UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator.

Now you just have to work out what all these persons, beast and monsters have in common.

Edit: x'd with Huey. Correct on the theme. They're all beings of unknown nature. The password expresses this concept.

Pervinca Took · 08-07-2018, 03:24 AM

Did Huinesoron guess the connection in his last post? (Just wondering if he cross-posted with you).

Is the connection the password, or is something hidden in the letters of the answers too?

07-31-2018, 10:54 AM	#4041
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	1. Hobbits? 2. Silent Watchers? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-31-2018, 11:31 AM	#4042
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	#2 is correct; you need to be more literal for #1. 1. Earth's anonymous gourmands. SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms. 3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one? 4. Emo feline at the Pelennor. 5. ...but are they worms now? 6. Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

07-31-2018, 12:10 PM	#4043
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Hole-dwellers? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-31-2018, 02:44 PM	#4045
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Eat earth, dig deep ... Willow man or tree roots? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-31-2018, 07:37 PM	#4046
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Dig deeper! And think about that word "anonymous". __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

07-31-2018, 11:53 PM	#4047
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Not the Dead Marshes? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-01-2018, 03:25 AM	#4049
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	A Nameless Fear ... ? Balrogs? Uruloki or whatever they are? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-01-2018, 10:27 AM	#4051
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is 5 just dragons, or firedrakes? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-01-2018, 10:40 AM	#4052
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Nope. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-01-2018, 03:13 PM	#4053
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,381	Some sort of Unnamed Things? A vague memory from the Mirth forum hints Ringwraiths / Nazgul for 5. Something about nine worms trying to dig under Aragorn. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-02-2018, 02:31 AM	#4055
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Things Unnamed? Terrors Unnamed? Unnamed Terrors? Please let it be Nameless No-Nos! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-02-2018, 02:47 AM	#4056
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	As noted above, it's "Nameless ____". The second word has also been supplied by the two of you- just have to put them together. It comes from a specific quote, which I believe is the sole reference to these creatures. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-02-2018, 04:29 AM	#4057
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Unnamed Fears? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-02-2018, 04:54 AM	#4058
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	No, it's "Nameless ______". Need the second word. I mentioned them as "neighbours" of Balrogs- more strictly, that's of one specific Balrog. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-02-2018, 06:07 AM	#4061
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I think the password, like the answers guessed so far, will be plural, but worth a guess: MEWLIP, reading down the third column? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-02-2018 at 09:07 AM.

08-02-2018, 10:32 AM	#4063
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I thought EMO was an anagram indicator, but I can't get anything by scrambling FELINE. The only monsters I am aware of there being at the Pelennor (apart from the Nazgul) are the FELL BEASTS. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-02-2018, 07:02 PM	#4064
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,381	There were also Mumakil, but with no more support behind it. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-04-2018, 05:54 AM	#4068
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	6. UNGOLIANT. I had been trying to 'thin' lion by removing one or two letters, but finding no other part of the clue to supply the missing letters. However, when I typed the name just now, I realised that we have a confused but GAUNT LION. Nice one! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-04-2018 at 06:00 AM.

08-04-2018, 06:27 AM	#4069
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	UNGOLIANT it is! NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands. SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms. 3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one? 4. Emo feline at the Pelennor. WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now? UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-06-2018, 02:15 AM	#4070
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,900	An emo feline is a GOTH MOG... (And since I was away at the time: excellent password from Pervinca! I'm astounded that we managed two passwords doing exactly the same thing, but so completely different from each other!) hS

08-06-2018, 07:20 AM	#4071
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	One common answer: Aragorn. (But different clues for him). It was such a brilliant idea to do the Fellowship as a password. I had never thought of it, but once I'd seen you accomplish it, I had to have a go too! I thought of Goth for emo, but I was stuck on tom and cat .... __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-06-2018, 07:32 AM	#4072
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,900	Pervinca - you also managed to pull out names I'd totally forgotten existed; I'm embarrassed to not have had Holdwine on my lists, but Panthael is beyond even that. Coming back to the password in hand: the 'if I had one' for #3 suggests we might want the Oldest and Fatherless, Tom Bombadil himself, but I can't fit him into the rest of the clue. hS

08-06-2018, 07:48 AM	#4073
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Bombadil has 3 other names. Dwarves called him FORN, men ORALD, and elves IARWAIN BEN-ADAR (I might have spelled that wrong). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-06-2018, 07:57 AM	#4074
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	GOTHMOG is correct, and Huey and Pervinca are very close to the final answer... NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands. SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms. 3. Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one? GOTHMOG: Emo feline at the Pelennor. WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now? UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-06-2018, 05:52 PM	#4075
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Are they all things that are basically immortal, unless they are killed? If Bombadil is close, I can't see how we get to the final answer. None of his names seem to have the elements required. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-06-2018, 08:04 PM	#4076
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	"Bewildering" is an anagram indicator. And no, the theme is not "immortal creatures". I mentioned "at the Pelennor" as being a hint towards the overall answer/theme. Now that the clue has been solved, I will explain that it's very important that it was that Gothmog, and not Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs. You just have to think why that might be. The phrasing of the "were-worms" clue is also a hint. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-07-2018, 02:19 AM	#4077
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	IARWAIN is an anagram of 'I in a war.' 'Ben' I think means 'son or daughter of' in Arabic? Yes, I was trying to find the answer with 'war' for conflict, but also wondering whether conflict or bewildering was the anagram indicator. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-07-2018 at 02:24 AM.

08-07-2018, 02:59 AM	#4078
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,900	Nice catch, Pervinca! Hope it's right. ^_^ 'Ben' (or rather, 'Pen', mutated due to being the second word), means 'without' in Sindarin, but I'm sure Tolkien was aware it also looks like a Hebrew(?) name (a la 'Ben-Hur'). Has Balfrog posted that one as evidence of the Biblical connections in the Bombadil chapters yet...? I guess the theme is something about creatures/beings which we don't know what they were. Ungoliant may have been a giant spider, but she was also a Maia/nature spirit/incarnation of darkness/???. (Latest crackpot theory: when Bombadil says he 'knew the Dark under the Stars', he was talking about Ungoliant... XD.) No idea what that makes the password, though. hS

08-07-2018, 03:06 AM	#4079
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	IARWAIN BEN-ADAR it is! "Ben" means "son of" in Hebrew (don't know about Arabic, but they're related). However, I guess that's a coincidence, as BEN-ADAR means "fatherless" in Elvish, where the "ben-" element must mean "without". NAMELESS THINGS: Earth's anonymous gourmands. SILENT WATCHERS: Mordor's misnamed alarms. IARWAIN BEN-ADAR: Bewildering- me, in a conflict? What would my dad say, if I had one? GOTHMOG: Emo feline at the Pelennor. WERE-WORMS: ...but are they worms now? UNGOLIANT: Emaciated king of beasts confused for even more ravenous predator. Now you just have to work out what all these persons, beast and monsters have in common. Edit: x'd with Huey. Correct on the theme. They're all beings of unknown nature. The password expresses this concept. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 08-07-2018 at 03:18 AM.

08-07-2018, 03:24 AM	#4080
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Did Huinesoron guess the connection in his last post? (Just wondering if he cross-posted with you). Is the connection the password, or is something hidden in the letters of the answers too? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."